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I started a Facebook argument today, regarding moral issue of prostitution. Which, if you see the image, I'm STRONGLY against. (... It's illegal, too.)

Have a look at the image and tell me if you think I made sense.

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Towards the end, I realised I was NEVER going to get through, so I did try to make it more personal. I'm the type that likes to 1up. One of my weaknesses.

Why don't you try posting in member discussions about the subject. From what I saw neither side had any high ground. It didn't look very productive.

What I'm really looking for here is someone to tell me I'm right. I had a couple people telling me I "Owned" her.

I'd hate to think that it's a common belief that prostitution is acceptable.

In the United States there are places where it is actually legal. I believe holland has places like that also.


Ref:

Legal Prostitution in Nevada - Brothels are Legal in Some Nevada Counties

I'm not sure where she was from, but it being legal doesn't make it any more right. I don't believe a 16 year old having sex is right. I don't believe smoking drugs is right.

I don't either. But those aren't my choices. In most coutries there are laws in place for a reason. But with every situation there are usually 2 sides. I try to look at both and evaluate what is really going on. But as a moral issue Im not for it but as a legal issue its not for me to argue about it because its within the law.

It's the way she was complaining about how I can't judge the woman on the show because I "haven't been in her shoes". When I believe I can. I don't need to murder someone to know that murder is wrong

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Originally Posted by DaniCalifornia

It's the way she was complaining about how I can't judge the woman on the show because I "haven't been in her shoes". When I believe I can. I don't need to murder someone to know that murder is wrong

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It is your right to have opinions and to express them so long as it doesn't involve hurting someone. Im not talking about feelings here I mean actual violence against another. It's the internet. Don't take it so seriously. There are many views out there of both like mind and conflicting attitudes. Being on Facebook opens you up to all kinds. Just relax and take solstice in knowing you have an opinion to express and are willing to defend it. Its not always about winning. Its more about standing your ground while being able to listen to an argument.

'Moral issue' and 'am I correct' don't belong together.
Morality has been, is, and always will be arguable.

The issue that having sex in exchange for something of value can be looked at in many ways, a street hooker merely gets actual money, but how many women use sex for position, for a place to live or food to eat.

And whose "right" is it to try to place their legal or moral belief on the actual of others. So if you have no moral belief that sex is anything except a fun act, then who has the right to control it. Two teens ( of legal age) can have sex in the back of his car, She can have sex with the right man to get the right job or to end up marry him for a good life style and that is not only practiced every day, but almost accepted way of life.

If two people over the legal age of consent, wish to agree to have sex, and one wants to trade something of value, for something they want, what is the issue with it.

And you bring up murder ( sort of change of subject) but to what end, killing to protect your home, protect another person. Murder in time of war, or murder when a government agent and ordered to murder someone who is considered a threat to the US. Or murder as in kill someone on death row? What about abortion, to many one of the worst murders of all.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Just relax and take solstice in knowing you have an opinion to express and are willing to defend it. Its not always about winning. Its more about standing your ground while being able to listen to an argument.

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I do struggle to relax once things have turned personal. It was light-hearted at first, I expected her to respond after my "I wouldn't BUY the shoes" comment with conveyance that it was rather funny. I was comfortable with the disagreement right up to the point where she uttered "Don't be ignorant". After that I felt I needed to defend myself and explain why I believe what I do.

It was like talking to a brick wall. I wanted to explain that some things are plain wrong. I'd love to BE Jeremy Kyle, so I could help and teach people how to live better.

I wasn't entirely sure whether it WAS a moral issue. I firmly believe there is only one answer in this issue. She cheated. She got paid for being used and abused. And says she is addicted. It's a completely different argument to a real moral debate like abortion

Edit - Yes Chuck. Murder is never acceptable. In your death row example, I'd rather the ****'s were alive and suffering in prison than put out of their misery. The issue there was that she lied and cheated.

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Originally Posted by DaniCalifornia

I do struggle to relax once things have turned personal. It was light-hearted at first, I expected her to respond after my "I wouldn't BUY the shoes" comment with conveyance that it was rather funny. I was comfortable with the disagreement right up to the point where she uttered "Don't be ignorant". After that I felt I needed to defend myself and explain why I believe what I do.

It was like talking to a brick wall. I wanted to explain that some things are plain wrong. I'd love to BE Jeremy Kyle, so I could help and teach people how to live better.

I wasn't entirely sure whether it WAS a moral issue. I firmly believe there is only one answer in this issue. She cheated. She got paid for being used and abused. And says she is addicted. It's a completely different argument to a real moral debate like abortion

Edit - Yes Chuck. Murder is never acceptable. In your death row example, I'd rather the ****'s were alive and suffering in prison than put out of their misery. The issue there was that she lied and cheated.

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Hi Danny,

I couldn't read the discussion but here you seem to be discussing values. Values are personal rules we tend to employ when we make a decision. Things we should or shouldn't do. As we have a personal attachment to values we tend to believe that other people should share our values.

I think from you point of view you are wanting to talk about morality. More specifically I think you are wanting to talk about rule based ethics. Sometimes morality and ethics can be talked about almost interchangeably. Other times not.

However, it may be useful in these type of discussions to distinguish values, ethics and morality. For example, if you accuse someone in the sex industry as being unethical you may well be accusing them of being unprofessional. Obviously this is not the point you are trying to get across. When participating in such a discussion it is always useful to say you are going to distinguish your terms.

Tut

It's Dani - I'm female.

I understand what a value is. This isn't a value. My values are my family, friends, boyfriend, patience and honesty.

It's probably best that you try to see the image so you know what it's about. The argument was a black woman who was arguing about a prostitute on the Jeremy Kyle USA show. This person has a lot of "Black power" quotes on her profile. I couldn't help but think that she was racially influenced.

To be honest, I have no interest in getting along with someone that believes it's okay. Adultery is on the level of murder to me. It ruins peoples lives.

You want moral issues to be correct, you wonder why you don't get through to people, you want to 'teach people how to live better.' You seem to me to be like many an intelligent 20 year old who hasn't yet seen the many ways the lines blur between right and wrong, and good and evil, and who is unclear that there is a vast gulf between who wants to be 'helped' and who doesn't.
I didn't try to read the page past it's tiny unreadable state, so am just going by what you have said here. I'm even wondering why you would bring a discussion from one site to another when it isn't even about matters of fact.

There was no way to increase the size. I assumed people knew how to zoom in on a web page. (Hold CTRL and scroll with the mouse)

You know what, don't comment on the thread if you have nothing of value to say. I don't appreciate what you've said. Califdadof has had the best comment so far, a simple "Don't worry about what others think" was all I needed.

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There was no way to increase the size. I assumed people knew how to zoom in on a web page. (Hold CTRL and scroll with the mouse)

You know what, don't comment on the thread if you have nothing of value to say. I don't appreciate what you've said. Califdadof has had the best comment so far, a simple "Don't worry about what others think" was all I needed.

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Dani, I tried to 'zoom in' and it increased the size of the text but not the 'picture' of your discussion. It may be a browser or settings issue, I don't know. However, that was my experience.

Hello Dani:

I couldn't read it either... But, just so's you know. I believe prostitution should be as legal as cell phones... Plus, I smoke dope and it should be legal for everybody.

I think that, AND I'm a moral person..

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Okay. Well I requested this thread to be deleted as there's actually no point any more. I think I just posted it a bit too soon, when I was annoyed at her.

Joypulv - Sorry for snapping at you.

Dani, threads don't get deleted unless they violate the TOS of the site.

I've seen ones get deleted if they have no purpose. Particularly now the image has been deleted.

Dani, I just want to add something, and then, seeing as you're the author of this thread, I do believe you can close it if you want. Delete it, no, it's not violating the rules of this site, but I think you can close it, or ask to have it closed.

Now for my add. I don't disagree that prostitution is wrong, but the way you're going about it is akin to the arguments in the religious forum. You have your opinion, and you have a right to that opinion, but you cannot expect everyone to agree with that opinion just because you believe it's right.

You have to learn to accept that everyone has a different point of view, and that prostitution is not as black and white as you think. It is legal in some countries. Is it moral? Well, that depends on a persons beliefs. And that person has just as much right to their beliefs as you have to yours.

I hope you understand what I'm saying. :)

I was stunned that someone in my area believed that though. There will ALWAYS be a minority that believes bad things are okay. Some people think it's okay to murder and rape! But I remain adamant there are right and wrong generally in some situations.

I would say on this one that if it went to a vote, prostitution would most likely become legal, what most people today have issues with is the drugs and abuse the women have because it is not legal. I think you will find that those against it, would be more in the minority.

It depresses me that that's the world I live in.

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