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  • Aug 17, 2011, 08:58 AM
    gromitt82
    Talking to God
    I have just read in the newspapers that the congress’s member Michele M. Bachmann was explaining to Bob Schieffer the other day that God talks to her ALL the time…
    However, while God seems to be giving her clear cut instructions as to how she has to go about her aspirations to the White House, it also seems God conveniently forgets to remind her about His 11th commandment: the Law of God’s Love (John 13:34-35).
    How can we justify this serious oblivion when the very Jesus said “By this command everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another”
    Gromitt82
  • Aug 17, 2011, 09:05 AM
    Fr_Chuck

    Of course God may just have a sense of humor and saying "look she is really doing that "

    But I guess how is she not loving her fellow man ?
  • Aug 19, 2011, 04:22 AM
    NeedKarma
    She is crazy, of this there is no doubt.
  • Aug 19, 2011, 07:12 AM
    redhed35
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    She is crazy, of this there is no doubt.
    Totally.

    God talks to me all the time and her name never comes up.:)
  • Aug 19, 2011, 10:33 AM
    Fr_Chuck
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by redhed35 View Post
    totally.

    God talks to me all the time and her name never comes up.:)

    My dog has spoken about her from time to time. But you can't believe a word he says,
  • Aug 20, 2011, 02:20 AM
    gromitt82
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    Of course God may just have a sense of humor and saying "look she is really doing that "

    But I guess how is she not loving her fellow man ?
    In fact my concern is not this lady. She can claim what she deems convenient. My concern goes to people who are gullible enough as to believe her..
    Gromitt82
  • Aug 20, 2011, 02:21 AM
    gromitt82
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    She is crazy, of this there is no doubt.
    Possible! But what about those who believe her?
    Gromitt82
  • Aug 20, 2011, 02:22 AM
    gromitt82
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by redhed35 View Post
    totally.

    God talks to me all the time and her name never comes up.:)
    Congratulations!:D:D
  • Aug 20, 2011, 02:24 AM
    gromitt82
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    My dog has spoken about her from time to time. But you can't believe a word he says,
    Still, your dog is worth a fortune!
    Gromitt82:):o
  • Aug 20, 2011, 11:48 AM
    Fr_Chuck
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gromitt82 View Post
    In fact my concern is not this lady. She can claim what she deems convenient. My concern goes to people who are gullible enough as to believe her...!
    Gromitt82
    Not sure, she could be no worst than the last two we have had
  • Aug 20, 2011, 12:50 PM
    twinkiedooter
    Well if she really talks to God, look what happened to that nutcase Bush II - HE got elected president with a lot of help from his Dad (God) so I guess she's letting the cat out of the bag that she has Daddy Bush behind her.

    We've already elected more nutcases in this country to be president. Why not another one? Why change the routine now?
  • Aug 23, 2011, 01:48 PM
    spitvenom
    Is God the one who said she can bring gas back to $2.00 a gallon
  • Aug 24, 2011, 07:46 AM
    gromitt82
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by twinkiedooter View Post
    Well if she really talks to God, look what happened to that nutcase Bush II - HE got elected president with a lot of help from his Dad (God) so I guess she's letting the cat out of the bag that she has Daddy Bush behind her.

    We've already elected more nutcases in this country to be president. Why not another one? Why change the routine now?
    The point is, I guess, whether by electing those nutcases you mention you and your wonderful country have improved or actually have gone backwards?

    I am afraid it is rather the 2nd option, in which case maybe if should be worth your changing the routine...

    It seems it was the French Alexis de Tocqueville who once said In a Democracy, the people get the government they deserve

    Take the case of Spain, for instance. 7 years ago we made the mistake of electing as prime minister one of the most stolid, impossible and uselss nutcases in the world, the socialist Zapatero (shoemaker), who has managed to practically ruin the country. Our own damn fault!

    Next November we stand a possibility to change him by someone else we do not know well but whom we are sure cannot be any worse and, who is not a socialist but a liberal.

    So we all hope he will win by a smashing majority. We will see!
    Gromitt 82:)
  • Aug 24, 2011, 07:49 AM
    gromitt82
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by spitvenom View Post
    Is God the one who said she can bring gas back to $2.00 a gallon
    A few million American DO think so... Unbelievable!
    Gromitt82:mad::mad:
  • Aug 24, 2011, 08:04 AM
    excon
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gromitt82 View Post
    I have just read in the newspapers that the congress’s member Michele M. Bachmann was explaining to Bob Schieffer the other day that God talks to her ALL the time…
    Hello gromitt:

    I'm not a Christian, so I don't believe God talks to ANYBODY... But, from what I know of Christianity, in order to get into heaven there's something about an eye of a needle.. You guys would know more about that than I. Plus, I also believe Christians to be a charitable sort of people...

    So, when SHE says that God told her to cut taxes for the richest of the rich amongst us, but tells her to STOP unemployment payments to people who are out of work, she's either LYING, or that's a God that I'm GLAD I don't know.

    excon
  • Aug 24, 2011, 08:18 AM
    spitvenom
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gromitt82 View Post
    A few million American DO think so... Unbelievable!
    Gromitt82:mad::mad:
    I love my country. But there are way to many idiots here. And I am not just talking about Religious people Im talking about the millions who watch Jersey Shore the house wives show etc...
  • Aug 24, 2011, 08:38 AM
    gromitt82
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello gromitt:

    I'm not a Christian, so I don't believe God talks to ANYBODY... But, from what I know of Christianity, in order to get into heaven there's something about an eye of a needle.. You guys would know more about that than I. Plus, I also believe Christians to be a charitable sort of people...

    So, when SHE says that God told her to cut taxes for the richest of the rich amongst us, but tells her to STOP unemployment payments to people who are out of work, she's either LYING, or that's a God that I'm GLAD I don't know.

    excon
    Relax! You can be sure that neither our Christian God nor any other deity whatsoever has contacted this lady.
    What I do not understand, as I have already said, is how a few million Christian are gullible enough to believe her...
    Gromitt82:D
  • Aug 24, 2011, 08:44 AM
    gromitt82
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by spitvenom View Post
    I love my country. But there are way to many idiots here. And I am not just talking about Religious people Im talking about the millions who watch Jersey Shore the house wives show etc....
    Unfortunately, there are millions all over the world (in my country too)
    that enjoy watching what I call either "junk" or "garbage" TV. Although this should not be a consolation but rather a dramatic change in values all over the place...
    Gromitt82:mad::mad:
  • Aug 24, 2011, 08:50 AM
    excon
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gromitt82 View Post
    What I do not understand, as I have already said, is how a few million Christian are gullible enough to believe her...
    Hello again, g:

    Me neither... But, I don't understand how ANYBODY believes ANY religious stuff.. As nice a guy as you are, gromitt, you'd like me to believe YOUR version of Christianity, but not hers... That ain't going to happen either.

    excon
  • Aug 24, 2011, 09:43 AM
    gromitt82
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, g:

    Me neither... But, I don't understand how ANYBODY believes ANY religious stuff.. As nice a guy as you are, gromitt, you'd like me to believe YOUR version of Christianity, but not hers... That ain't gonna happen either.

    excon
    No, not really; I'm afraid you are wrong! I would be very happy is you would believe MY version of Christianity. You are as entitled to your own beliefs as I am to mine, and even the lady in question if to hers...
    In my case I have no merit. I belong to the immense mass of people that have shared, share and will share SOME religious "stuff" as you put it.
    If it is true that between atheist and agnostics there are now about 18% of the world population I am included in the 82% whereas you should belong into the smaller group.
    But it does not really matter, because as I have mentioned in another thread we will not know for sure who is right and who is wrong until we take the one way train to who knows where..
    So I wish you as much happiness with your ideas while over here as I am enjoying with mine.
    One of us will surely be wrong! If it is me, I have been wasting some valuable time down here... If it is you... perhaps you have been running some risks...
    Best regards,
    Gromitt82
  • Aug 24, 2011, 10:41 AM
    excon
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gromitt82 View Post
    One of us will surely be wrong! If it is me, I have been wasting some valuable time down here... If it is you... perhaps you have been running some risks...
    Hello again, gromitt:

    If your religion keeps you on a good path, then you haven't wasted any time. However, my lack of religion hasn't caused me to veer from a good path. So I haven't wasted any time either. I don't see the risk in living a good life. If there is one, then I'll have been wrong... But, it won't be ME who is wrong.. It's the one who would punish me - NOT for the life I've lead - but because I didn't bow down to him.

    excon
  • Aug 24, 2011, 12:38 PM
    spitvenom
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, gromitt:

    If your religion keeps you on a good path, then you haven't wasted any time. However, my lack of religion hasn't caused me to veer from a good path. So I haven't wasted any time either. I don't see the risk in living a good life. If there is one, then I'll have been wrong... But, it won't be ME who is wrong.. It's the one who would punish me - NOT for the life I've lead - but because I didn't bow down to him.

    excon
    Word!
  • Aug 25, 2011, 02:25 AM
    gromitt82
    You see, Excon, in a way I agree with you. If my religion and your lack of religion keep us on the good path, we shall have not probably wasted our time down here, on our beloved blue Planet.

    The point is, however, that this possibility does not satisfy me in the least.

    To be born, live a second (speaking in astral time) and, afterwards, disappear in thin air, does not explain, in my opinion, the reason of our existence.

    We may, of course, consider there should not be any reason at all. That our lives here are just the final outcome of a series of chemical and physical phenomena, without any need of an additional purpose!
    But, most people find it difficult to digest this farfetched theory and prefer to adhere to another one (perhaps, maybe, just as farfetched) but more satisfying to the most romantic and famous inquiry “where are we coming from, where are we going to”.

    This question is not new, of course, and man has been asking it ever since he felt he had been created by a superior force to glorify it…

    But this thought sort of answers why we are here and also offers us a hope of a better everlasting life somewhere else…

    As I said, this is a much more romantic approach to our existence. Granted! But I prefer it to feeling that my final destiny does not differ much from that of any rock in the river bed. Being eroded by water (time) and probably ending up as fine sand on some beach.
    Gromitt82
  • Aug 25, 2011, 05:05 AM
    excon
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gromitt82 View Post
    We may, of course, consider there should not be any reason at all. That our lives here are just the final outcome of a series of chemical and physical phenomena, without any need of an additional purpose!!
    Hello again, Gromitt:

    Ahhh, but we DO have a purpose here.. And, it's quite important, too. No, it's NOT about YOU and ME. That's the difference... The religionists want it to BE about THEM as people... But, it's about them as propagators. Our purpose here, our ONLY purpose, is to be fruitful. That's it.

    excon
  • Aug 25, 2011, 08:39 AM
    gromitt82
    Holy mackerel!

    You may be right there, but I hope you will admit that we human beings are doing a lousy job if our purpose down here is to make this place a nice place to be for Mankind.
    When I look aroundall I see is how slowly but surely we are destroying life in our planet or how, in general, we seem to care very little about the suffering souls who have nothing but hunger...
    Gromitt82
  • Aug 25, 2011, 09:08 AM
    excon
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gromitt82 View Post
    I hope you will admit that we human beings are doing a lousy job if our purpose down here is to make this place a nice place to be for Mankind.

    When I look aroundall I see is how slowly but surely we are destroying life in our planet or how, in general, we seem to care very little about the suffering souls who have nothing but hunger...
    Hello again, gromitt:

    I didn't say that. Nice has NOTHING to do with it.. Neither does "goodness". I know you'd like to give us more importance than a bug. That's your religion talking.. Yeah, we're SMARTER than a bug, but not BETTER. And, who's to say that we're even smarter, given that I absolutely agree with you about the way we treat our environment and our fellow man.

    But, how we ACT has nothing to do with our purpose. We're no different than the bug. His purpose is no less lofty than ours. It's to propagate, and nothing else... It doesn't take brains or goodness to make babies.

    Does that mean that we could DESTROY ourselves AND our planet?? It DOES.

    excon
  • Sep 25, 2011, 07:08 PM
    paraclete
    Making laws out of Scripture again Ex. I expect you want to tell us she can't be a Christian because she has failed to comply with some Law you have made of Scripture. Well Ex it may surprise you to know that God does speak to Christians. Whether they take his advice is a whole other story, like George Bush who bombed the crap out of Iraq, because he thought he was on a mission. Just an expression of love.
    I suspect Bachmann might be made with the same mould. Situational ethics abounds but find someelse to blame.

    As to being smarter than bugs, well the jury is out on that one, present company excluded of course

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