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  • Jun 16, 2010, 01:42 AM
    Curlyben
    2012 and all that...
    So, assuming there IS going to be an utterly cataclysmic, literally earth shattering event, would you really want to know about it ?

    Yes I'm being quite serious here and asking for some thoughtful responses.
  • Jun 16, 2010, 02:34 AM
    tickle

    If it is completely cataclysmic, then what is the sense in being prewarned? I would rather just not know. I would just wish no one would suffer.

    Tick
  • Jun 16, 2010, 03:09 AM
    tickle

    PS

    I read an article once that the present day Mayans think that it is quite amusing that the ancient calender was misinterpreted. The calender was cracked at the year 20l2, leading others to surmise that the Mayans believed the world would end at that year, when in fact, present day Mayans know for sure that the calender was focused on planting, the seasons, the sun and the moon only as crops were the main concern of the ancients in order to get by year to year. They knew as farmers and not hunter/gatherers/nomads that unless the corn and root vegetables went in at the proper time, and had good weather for another season, no one would survive.

    Tick
  • Jun 16, 2010, 06:44 AM
    Aurora_Bell

    I think it's already started. "They" say it isn't going to happen in one day, but over a period, and considering the events that have been happening, if it going to happen, it's already begun.

    But if it is happening, than what can we really do? Assuming what "they" say is correct, and mountains will crumble, waters willr ise and wash out land, and flat lands will just open up and cave in on themselves. How can anyone prepare for that?
  • Jun 16, 2010, 06:57 AM
    JoeCanada76

    Curlyben,

    Lots of people believe that the beginning of all these signs have started. The thing is there have been so many disasters and wars , etc... Since the start of man. People have been trying to predict the end of the world since the beginning of man. Every time the prediction has been wrong. I honestly feel that there is no reason to believe that 2012 represents something very cataclysmic happening. I know that people for some reason are fearful and are always on edge and thinking the worst. People are attracted to disasters and predictions of doom. I do not know why.

    My belief is at anytime that my personal belief in God. If something so severe and changing will happen that I will be ready at any time to go if that is what is meant to happen.

    Okay so the question is would I really want to know about it. No, not really. It would not change anything. IF it is something that was unpreventable and was going to happen no matter what. What point is it knowing? I rather be surprised. If anything like that happened it would be quick and we would not be aware of it anyway.

    Maybe for that time coming, if it were to come. Ignorance is bliss. I rather be happy and live my life in peace then fearful about upcoming disaster that I have no control over anyway.
  • Jun 16, 2010, 07:13 AM
    NeedKarma
    When Alexander the Great rolled over the Persian Empire I bet they thought the end of the world was coming.
    When the Japanese were the recipients of two atomic bombs I bet they thought the end of the world was coming.
    When the tsunami disaster happened in 2004 I'm surprised people didn't predict the end of the world then as well.
    World War 2 was pretty nasty, maybe that was the end of the world.
  • Jun 16, 2010, 07:25 AM
    excon

    Hello ben:

    Hmmmm... So, I wonder how those Mayans knew we'd poke a hole in the floor of the ocean into a large cavernous pit of oil, that is unstoppably gushing out and poisoning our oceans. It spells the end of us - probably around 2012...

    Speaking of which, I think Obama and BP both KNOW we're doomed, and THEY ain't saying squat.

    Do I wish they would?? I don't know. It would get pretty scary around here if they did.

    excon
  • Jun 16, 2010, 07:57 AM
    albear

    I've said it once and ill say it again

    London 2012 olympics will be the death of us all

    IF the end of the world was nigh and there was nothing I could do to survive it, then no I would rather not know about it,

    Ever seen the film 'when the wind blows'

    Rather than trying to build a homemade nuclear shelter, id rather sit outside in a deck chair with sun glasses and a cold one :)

    Same principal
  • Jun 16, 2010, 08:07 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by albear View Post
    rather than trying to build a homemade nuclear shelter, id rather sit outside in a deck chair with sun glasses and a cold one :)

    Hello bear:

    Me too... But, I'd be smoking some good ganja.. Want to hit?

    excon
  • Jun 16, 2010, 08:15 AM
    albear
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello bear:

    Me too... But, I'd be smoking some good ganja.. Wanna hit?

    excon

    Sure why not, it is the end of the world after all, got to live a little
  • Jun 16, 2010, 08:29 AM
    shazamataz

    Aliens are coming on Dec 22 2012.

    The X-Files told me.

    Beam me up scotty.
  • Jun 16, 2010, 08:30 AM
    shazamataz

    And yes, I would want to know.

    I would sell our house and travel for the next 2 years. I want to see everything there is to see before it's all gone.
  • Jun 16, 2010, 03:33 PM
    Just Dahlia

    Well if I had hoards of money, I'd do what Shaz said. If there was nothing I could do, I'd go with Excon.

    But since it's just me, I would only want enough time to say good by to the people I love, and buy a boat:D
  • Jun 16, 2010, 03:43 PM
    Aurora_Bell

    I don't think I would really want to know, I think that if I did I would just have constant anxiety attacks. But on the other hand, all the scrimping and saving I have done, it sure would be nice to travel.
  • Jun 16, 2010, 03:55 PM
    jmjoseph

    This is an excellent question , Ben. I think that if there was no chance of survival, and that the end would be totally planetary, I would want to know so I could do a few more things with my wife and two young sons. And I would want to be with them all when the moment happened. I wouldn't want my children to be afraid. I would also take that time to do a little better job at my "spiritual preparation".

    I agree that we are headed in that direction somewhat. When men are taking supplements to produce some form of "breastmilk" as to better bond with their newborn children(yea, it's happening), and the whole "metrosexual male" thing, we are on our way.

    The planet is resilient, I don't think we can break IT, but the same logic that we, as civil humans, had during WWII,"PRIDE and HONOR", compared to today, "Is that fat free bacon?"... We're screwed if it's by alien invasion.

    I think I'll take a few hits of that herb Ex.
  • Jun 16, 2010, 04:04 PM
    Aurora_Bell

    JM I just threw up a little in my mouth. There is NO WAY IN HELL that I would let my hubby or father of my child breast feed. Ewww. I need to go shower now.
  • Jun 16, 2010, 04:37 PM
    cdad

    I believe that if it were a end all scenario that I would like to know in advance. For obvious reasons of contacting loved ones etc. Or like I saw in a movie. When the nuke was going to hit everybody was running except one guy who just sat in his lawn chair and lit up a cigar. If I have to go let it be my way.
  • Jun 16, 2010, 04:43 PM
    Fr_Chuck

    We are now signing up for members of the New World Order, who are in place soon to take over all major areas of control once society is in ruin. We are all well qualified having watched every end of the world movie, and have based our new government on the Mad Max and the Postman movies.

    Merely sell all you have ( you don't need that earthly old government money anyway) and right after the world is destroyed we will issue the new method of payment.
  • Jun 16, 2010, 04:51 PM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    We are now signing up for members of the New World Order, who are in place soon to take over all major areas of control once society is in ruin. We are all well qualified having watched every end of the world movie, and have based our new government on the Mad Max and the Postman movies.

    Merely sell all you have ( you don't need that earthly old government money anyway) and right after the world is destroyed we will issue the new method of payment.

    With the circle of life the way it is its more then likely going to be more like planet of the apes then mad max ;)
  • Jun 17, 2010, 05:34 AM
    albear
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    We are now signing up for members of the New World Order, who are in place soon to take over all major areas of control once society is in ruin. We are all well qualified having watched every end of the world movie, and have based our new government on the Mad Max and the Postman movies.

    Merely sell all you have ( you don't need that earthly old government money anyway) and right after the world is destroyed we will issue the new method of payment.

    I'm already saving up bottle caps and kfc hand wipe cloths (as the new post-apocalyptic currency) so as to start a wealthy man after the bombs drop :D


    (an internet cookie to whoever gets those two references :) )
  • Jun 17, 2010, 12:46 PM
    shazamataz

    You are screwed if you live in Megaton bear... I plan on blowing it up ;)

    (do I get half a cookie?)
  • Jun 17, 2010, 12:50 PM
    albear
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shazamataz View Post
    You are screwed if you live in Megaton bear... I plan on blowing it up ;)

    (do I get half a cookie?)

    Yes you do :D
  • Jun 20, 2010, 02:33 AM
    Catsmine
    Back to Ben's question:

    Do you remember the movie "The Day After"? Not the eco-disaster but the nuke disaster movie? It had a scene of a beautiful palfrey quarterhorse galloping in a field when the flash came. I want to be the horse.
  • Jun 20, 2010, 04:35 AM
    jmjoseph
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Catsmine View Post
    Back to Ben's question:

    Do you remember the movie "The Day After"? Not the eco-disaster but the nuke disaster movie? It had a scene of a beautiful palfrey quarterhorse galloping in a field when the flash came. I want to be the horse.

    And I'll be the jackass in the corner of the field. As usual.
  • Jun 20, 2010, 06:45 AM
    tickle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Catsmine View Post
    Back to Ben's question:

    Do you remember the movie "The Day After"? Not the eco-disaster but the nuke disaster movie? It had a scene of a beautiful palfrey quarterhorse galloping in a field when the flash came. I want to be the horse.

    You can slap me up the side of the head, cats, but knowing horses I really have to correct your terminology of 'palfrey' which wasn't a quarterhorse. A 'palfrey' was a particular well trained arabian favoured for its 'gait' (there are several gaits one good example being the way a Tennessee walker horse 'walks', I guess you might call it a controlled canter) by the gentry in the middle ages because this horse 'ambled'; was used mostly in ceremonies, and for quiet outings. So... palfreys weren't quarter and they didn't gallop.

    Sorry

    Tick
  • Jun 20, 2010, 06:59 AM
    jmjoseph
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tickle View Post
    you can slap me up the side of the head, cats, but knowing horses I really have to correct your terminology of 'palfrey' which wasnt a quarterhorse. A 'palfrey' was a particular well trained arabian favoured for its 'gait' (there are several gaits one good example being the way a tennessee walker horse 'walks', I guess you might call it a controlled canter) by the gentry in the middle ages because this horse 'ambled'; was used mostly in ceremonies, and for quiet outings. So.....palfreys werent quarter and they didnt gallop.

    sorry

    tick

    I see you didn't correct MY remark.

    Poor little Jackme.
  • Jun 20, 2010, 07:06 AM
    tickle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jmjoseph View Post
    I see you didn't correct MY remark.

    Poor little Jackme.

    well you see, a jackass is a jackass is a jackass, they don't have too much of a history, do they; so yours didn't need correcting. I just hope cats won't be too angry at me, but I just couldn't help myself.;)
  • Jun 20, 2010, 07:09 AM
    jmjoseph
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tickle View Post
    well you see, a jackass is a jackass is a jackass, they dont have too much of a history, do they; so yours didnt need correcting. I just hope cats wont be too angry at me, but I just couldnt help myself.;)

    And I thought I was the only one in that field... oh well, back to eatin' briars.
  • Jun 20, 2010, 08:26 AM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tickle View Post
    you can slap me up the side of the head, cats, but knowing horses I really have to correct your terminology of 'palfrey' which wasnt a quarterhorse. A 'palfrey' was a particular well trained arabian favoured for its 'gait' (there are several gaits one good example being the way a tennessee walker horse 'walks', I guess you might call it a controlled canter) by the gentry in the middle ages because this horse 'ambled'; was used mostly in ceremonies, and for quiet outings. So.....palfreys werent quarter and they didnt gallop.

    sorry

    tick

    I stand corrected. I thought palfrey was the term for a grey so light as to be white. I didn't realize it was breed specific. My bad.
  • Jun 20, 2010, 08:58 AM
    tickle

    Hi cats, thanks.. Many dapple greys are born black and turn grey with age. Usually dark skin underneath, usually see that lovely delicate looking breed Arabian as dapple grays, having more dapple on their hindquarters. There are only so many people one can correct without turning it into a bad feeling. I sort of knew your personality here would not allow that to happen.

    Happy tick
  • Jun 20, 2010, 11:19 AM
    jmjoseph
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tickle View Post
    hi cats, thanks.. Many dapple greys are born black and turn grey with age. Usually dark skin underneath, usually see that lovely delicate looking breed Arabian as dapple grays, having more dapple on their hindquarters. There are only so many people one can correct without turning it into a bad feeling. I sort of knew your personality here would not allow that to happen.

    happy tick

    Oh, the tick and the bug killer are friends now?
  • Jun 20, 2010, 03:22 PM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jmjoseph View Post
    Oh, the tick and the bug killer are friends now?

    I got no issues. This tick has not become a pest.
  • Jun 20, 2010, 03:48 PM
    tickle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Catsmine View Post
    I got no issues. This tick has not become a pest.

    okay, I didn't realize... has my personality not been up to par in some way. This lady has no issues with anyone here. I just calls-them-as-I-sees-um. Am I missing something here...

    Confused tick by JMs response
  • Jun 20, 2010, 04:23 PM
    Aurora_Bell

    Well I for one Tick, think you are magnificent! I enjoy you greatly.

    I think JMJ was making a play on words so to speak. Like a bug killer and a tick being friends. Heheh :)
  • Jun 20, 2010, 05:52 PM
    KBC
    OK,I have been watching Morgan Freeman and his series on The Science Channel,Through the wormhole.

    The last episode was about the scientific concepts behind god,end of the world thinking,etc.The professor studying religions(including Mayan,Celtic,Egyptian,etc.)Was of the mind that we need to feel that there is something beyond the here and now,if there isn't then we most likely would be in fear,all the time,over the end of days.(our days namely)

    With this idea in mind,do we really want to know our ending?That very concept from the study states that without a god concept in our lives we would return to chaos, imagine what the people of the world would really be like if they all knew the end was truly going to be on Dec,21,2012?
  • Jun 20, 2010, 06:02 PM
    Aurora_Bell
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KBC View Post
    imagine what the people of the world would really be like if they all knew the end was truly going to be on Dec,21,2012?

    Mass Hysteria.
  • Jun 20, 2010, 06:08 PM
    KBC
    I'm first in line:)

    Actually there have been times when I would really like the end to come.. but today I just eat worms.
  • Jun 20, 2010, 06:17 PM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KBC View Post
    OK,I have been watching Morgan Freeman and his series on The Science Channel,Through the wormhole.

    The last episode was about the scientific concepts behind god,end of the world thinking,etc.The professor studying religions(including Mayan,Celtic,Egyptian,etc.)Was of the mind that we need to feel that there is something beyond the here and now,if there isn't then we most likely would be in fear,all the time,over the end of days.(our days namely)

    With this idea in mind,do we really want to know our ending?That very concept from the study states that without a god concept in our lives we would return to chaos,,imagine what the people of the world would really be like if they all knew the end was truly going to be on Dec,21,2012?

    Its been proven and independently tested that a part of the brain has the god function built into it. By isolation and magnetizm they have found you get this feeling of being watched etc. They call it the god section.

    Also not sure what type of trend you believe in but ammo sales have been steady and growing for the longest time now.
  • Jun 20, 2010, 06:18 PM
    Kitkat22

    I would want to know. Gives me a chance to think more about heaven and where I'm going. Yes I would want to know... it would be something to look forward too.
  • Jun 20, 2010, 06:22 PM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kitkat22 View Post
    I would want to know. Gives me a chance to think more about heaven and where I'm going. Yes I would want to know...it would be something to look forward too.

    I know where Im going. Been working on the handbasket for years. They told me it was good therapy ;)

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