I know my views... what are yours?
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I know my views... what are yours?
What are your views on abortion?
My views, well... I'm against it and I'm not.Obviously it all depends on the circusmtances.
That's why I believe in the morning after pill.
I strongly believe that abortion is against the Judeo-Christian philosophy. However, I also know there are circumstances that can warrant an abortion; such as rape, the mother's life is in danger from complications in the pregnancy, or the child has serious birth defects. I do believe in the morning after pill and hopefully the woman is wise enough to access medical care.
But that is my personal soap box. Who am I to judge a woman having an abortion - that is between her and her conscience. I am not about to picket a clinic but I would volunteer at a pregnancy crisis home. There are so many sad things in the world; such as a 11 year old girl becoming pregnant from her Father, or a developmentally disabled girl becoming pregnant from her developmentally disabled boyfriend. And more.
I believe that abortion is murder. NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES! Even rape. It's killing an innocent baby.
Pro-choice.
Pro life, abortion is murder, if while doing medical procedures for a women that is sick or injured and a miscarrage happens because of that treatment, it is not abortion .
But justifying killing just can't happen to an innocent baby on any grounds
superdaredork, until you walk in a woman's shoes who has faced some of the horrible circumstances that women have to face, I see no value in your opinion. You posted the religion question too and that created some furor. Go ahead, disagree with me, block me, it would be a blessing.
Im a christian.
If I were a woman, and got pregnant with an unwanted child, I would probobly NOT have it aborted, however, that said:
Is abortion murder? Well, it really depends on when you define life as beginning. Whether abortion is murder, or frowned upon in Gods eyes, we must accept that it is not our position to judge someone's soul.
I believe that an aborted unborn baby has a one way ticket to heaven. I believe that this life is only a small precursor to what lies ahead, for some its heaven, for some its hell. I believe an aborted child will go to heaven no doubt. The child beat me to it, for that I envy the child.
As far as the woman goes, that's something she will have to take up with God on judgement day. When that days comes, I am more than certain, I will be fumbling, rubbing my neck, and stuttering while I answer for all the sins I have committed, I won't even be thinking about anyone else's sins.
My official posistion, I guess if you had to politically define it, I would say, pro choice. However if my wife were to become pregnant with a baby that we made, and have the child aborted, I would be devistated, and it would probobly divorce her. Is that harsh? I don't think so, if she has a right to abort a baby that we both made, then I should have every right to find someone who wouldn't mind having a child by me. But even to divorce my wife, in Gods eyes, is everybit as bad a sin as the abortion itself. I am no better.
Pray for women who feel the need to have abortions. Do not judge them, we don't know the situation they are in, Im am sure that what ever decision they made they didn't make lightly. These people need prayer christians, not scorn, that will only turn them away from the faith and probobly cause more abortions.
That's my two cents.
Abortion is a fancy name for murder!
It is as simple as that...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Honestly I knew someone who ended up sleeping around and got a girl pregnant, he was sleazy, and knowing him as much I did he couldn't have raised that baby. That mom couldn't have raised that baby alone, and the father wanted nothing to do with it. Now if I was the father I would have wanted to keep the baby. Not for any religious reasons, because I think all to often people use religion as a cloak for not having any true opinions. Not saying anyone here is, but that's my opinion. Anyway, they both decided to have it aborted and I think that was the best decision. It's easy to say let the kid live, but then how does he live? My uncle works with abandon kids that comes from these type of scenarios, and I have seen what this does to these kids. The American social system is nowhere were it needs to be in terms of helping these kids, and yeah some might make it but most don't. Again I think there are special circumstances, and I would never have my kid aborted, but I am not one to judge and those who think they are, are only fooling themselves.
Are you male or female?Quote:
Originally Posted by superdaredork
Imagine being raped... and getting pregnant by the a**hole who raped you, I don't think you would say what you just said.
I also heard on discoverey TV that when a women fall pregnant - up to 3 or 4 weeks of the beginning of her pregnany the embrio, hasn't yet formed, hasn't yet grown a heart and not yet got any feelings, so maybe if the abortion is done within those weeks its not really murder.
Okay, just consider this... Ponder for a moment before answering.
You are a woman and you are brutally raped and beaten, in a home invasion, in your own bedroom, by an assailant you do not know, he is never caught. You find out that you are now pregnant by this brutal person.
You are not given the option of an abortion, but must live every day with this child of violence growing inside you reminding you on a daily basis of the brutal attack that you barely lived through. Every kick gives horrid flashbacks.
Reliving this attack every day of your life for the next 9 months is bound to drive a person insane.
Yup, that is what I was trying to show. That sometimes it can be necessary.
Depressing, yes, but it does happen. I personally don't know of anyone in this situation, but there are some I am sure.
Unfortunately this is not a situation that we can generalize. While I agree it should not under any circumstances be considered a form of birth control, (I am with all of you others on that one) I do see that at times it is necessary.
In the case of rape or incest, I am pro-abortion. In any other cases, I am pro-life. But (and this probably will open up a can of worms) I am also a BIG believer in stem cell research.
My father was forced into early retirement at 63. He was a brilliant engineer for one of the largest plastics companies in the world. But, he began showing signs of demintia and the people he worked with told my mother that he was losing his abilities to calculate measurements. He retired right about the same time my son was born, so I elected to work part time on weekends so I could take care of him and my son while my mother still worked during the week. It started to get to the point where he was dirtying himself and couldn't bathe himself anymore. After 3 years of this, my mother started taking him to an adult day care facility. Two years after that, he finally had to go to a rest home. He was becoming difficult for anyone to deal with as he would have often boughts of anger and even hit my mother a couple of times. After 1 year in the rest home, he passed away from complications of pneumonia because he lost his ability to swallow correctly and he was aspirating on his food (which had to be ground up like baby food). After his death, we needed confirmation, so my mother had a autopsy performed. The autopsy confirmed that he had Alzheimers. It was very hard for my entire family to watch this brilliant person shrivel away and die in such a terrible way. I really feel for anyone who has a family member with Alzheimers or any other brain debilitating disease.
Now, even though I do not believe in abortion except for in the cases as mentioned, as long as abortion is legal, why not keep stem cell research going? I was incredibly angered about the comments Rush Limbaugh made about Michael J. Fox simply because Mr. Fox is for stem cell research due to his Parkinsons disease. To me, if this country is going to keep abortion legal, then why not try to save the lives of others?
I am pro-choice but I know I could never have an abortion. I know that terrible things happen to women everyday and I don't think they should have to be forced to have a baby that only depresses them and reminds them all through the pregnancy. Like J_9 said, if something like that were to happen, the mother would be so upset and depressed, do you think she would take the adequate measures to make sure the baby is healthy?
I also feel that if you think, abortion is murder, then if a woman gets raped and becomes pregnant and decides on abortion, shouldn't the man who caused her all these problems be the murderer? After all, its his fault for raping and should deal with consequences? Its sad enough when a woman is a victim to rape, I don't think the woman should be forced to create a child who is a victim of rape also.
As for the women who use abortion as a form of birth-control, these women aren't smart enough to be having sex anyway...
Don't they have a day after pill or something in the US?
Yeah tally I believe they do
Yes, they do. But I believe this is a lazy form of birth control. It means you can abort on your own without a doctor's intervention if indeed you got pregnant last night.
If someone believes they are mature enough to have sex then they should be mature enough to handle the consequences.
My view is,, I think it's a woman's choice. She has to live with her decision. I wouldn't want anyone telling me how to things. I believe that in certain circumstances, like rape & incest than it's OK. If your getting pregnant over and over and getting an abortion to take care of the problem-then I disagree. But this is just my opinion. Go from your own heart!Quote:
Originally Posted by superdaredork
In the case of rape or incest it seems to me that the morning after pill would be a useful tool in avoiding the truama of worrying about being pregnant after an already truamatic experience. As for using it for birth control? If there are no side effects then why not?
I agree, I understand where J9 is coming from, I just think that they are both forms of birth control, and all though one comes after conception, they both end up doing the same thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Very simple. Abortion is a murder of an unborn human being.
Joe
I agree with that completely, unfortunately here in some parts of Europe they don't permit it, its against our religion!! Which is abit unfair, if you tell me.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Believe or not its very difficult for women too, from my experience, I had abortion because of baby abnormality , I did not wonted I really regret, but I was really scared , actually I was trying to have a baby... really long time , now you decide how difficult it was
Pro-life.
I have seen many pictures of abortion.
One of them was the abortion of a some weeks only embryo, and you could see the tiny shape of the hand, brrr. Absolutely horrible...
Not to speak of the other forms of abortion, cutting the foetus piece by piece in the womb of the woman, sucking the foetus into a sort of vacuum pump, crushing the head of the foetus into pieces then throw all away Ugh!
All medical procedures are very gory, Unky. Blood and guts and slime... at least you didn't have to smell it.
Surgical procedures as birth control are such a waste of medical facilities. Oophorectomies are more effective and one time shots. Perhaps mandating them with all abortions except in rape and incest cases would settle the debate.
As for the religious question - my vasectomy healed. Apparently I'm supposed to be a Dad. I'm kind of glad about that.
Lol, me too :p
I'm saying that all they do in abortion, I find that inhumane! I don't think that anyone would be given the choice to do that to a fully grown human being...
3 year old thread resurrected.
Oops, I didn't notice. Sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Oops, it was because of usaan... I was wandering through the other members discussion thread and saw this thread... quite interesting with the posts of J_9, Synn, Joe, etc...
Sorry :o
I believe that no-one can comment on abortion until it truly affects you.
I had one 3 months ago.. My reasons are because, even though I was using contraception, it failed me, and I found out too late to take the morning after pill.. I also have a medical condition that means that pregnancy and birth should be planned and considered very carefully before-hand.
So I found out when I was 2 months pregnant and I, my partner and my family helped make the incredibly difficult decision to abort.
You may call me a murderer, that's fine, but I'm afraid that I made a heart wrenching decision and I have to live with that.
I think that it should be legal with parental consent for under 18s, no taxpayer funding and no late-term abortions is my position, middle of the road.
I know this is old but I can't help myself...
If they made abortion illegal there would be a LOT of people deliberately hurting themselves to get rid of the baby.
I think it's a good and bad as I have seen both sides.
A good friend of mine was pregnant when she was 18, she decided to have an abortion as the time was just not right for her to have a child.
Now she is 22 and facing a hysterectomy due to cysts on her ovaries.
She is now kicking herself for aborting that pregnancy.
Not everyone is like that though, an abortion doesn't mean you can't get pregnant down the track when you are ready, she was just very unlucky.
Now another good friend of mine got pregnant when she was 17, she was having twins and both of them were tested positive for a disability (sorry don't know specifics) she decided to abort because she also was not ready for a child, let alone 2 disabled children.
She does regret the decision in a way but she knows she would not have been able to care for them properly in her mental state at the time.
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