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  • Jan 16, 2009, 11:00 PM
    andrewc24301
    Whooo. It is COLD
    Who all is in the artic blast?

    You up there in the north are used to this stuff, I understand, but down here in VA, zero degrees just happens every once in a while, couple that with the fact that we haven't had a real winter in 15 years... and well... our homes and wardrobes just kind of grew out of it.

    I have found weaknesses in my homes windows.

    Out commeth the duct tape!

    Electric furnace runs a lot. Expecting a $400 light bill next month. Appalacian Power is grinning ear to ear!

    The daytime high is getting back up in the 30's tomorrow. Still no snow though. Hasn't really snowed in years. Only one snow last year (about an inch), and none so far this year.

    If it's going to be this cold, it might as well snow.

    But that just don't happen anymore. So it will be another dry summer.

    In the west, Earthquakes and flooding are the big disasters.

    Up north, it's the blizzards...

    Down south it's the hurricanes...

    Over here where I'm at we don't get any of that, we just get drier and drier every year. Drought, the silent killer. It doesn't carry the fan fare and news coverage that other major disasters carry, but it wreaks havoc on the water supply, and causes all kinds of problems.

    All because it doesn't snow anymore.

    It may be cold, but make no mistake, there is something wrong with our climate. It's not like it used to be.
  • Jan 16, 2009, 11:10 PM
    Clough

    Hi, andrewc24301!

    Up around where I am, it was -27 last night. It was a record! Hasn't been near to being that cold around here since the mid-1980's.

    Thanks!
  • Jan 16, 2009, 11:55 PM
    simoneaugie

    Thanks for the update from Southwest Virginia. The weather has been really weird this year. We had drought conditions from lack of snowfall a few years ago. Now we have flooding.

    Our gas and electric bills reflect a 30% increase (from the company!) So, we ordered some new windows. My front room has two huge windows, one is over 11 feet wide. I hope the window replacement helps with the heating bill.

    I asked someone who knows if the unusual weather patterns are part of global warming. He said, "partly."
  • Jan 17, 2009, 09:14 AM
    andrewc24301

    Dad says that when he was a kid in the 60's, it would start snowing in October and you wouldn't see the ground again until April.

    Yet this stout die hard republican completely denies global warming.

    When ask why we haven't seen six inches of snow in 15 years...

    "It's just a pattern" is the answer I get.
  • Jan 17, 2009, 09:17 AM
    andrewc24301
    And -27 is very cold.

    I think if it ever got that cold down here, we would just stop heating every room in the house except for the living room.

    Hell 27 degrees is cold or a daytime high, -27 is a 54 degree drop from that. I can't imagine, I have never expirenced that kind of cold.

    And can't say that I want to.

    As far as my windows goes, some of them are drafty, and I taped them up. Others are not drafty, but it seems that cold air just pushes through the glass. In other words, you put your hand down by the window sill and you can just feel the cool air falling on your hand. (cool air drops, warm air rises)

    I don't know what to do about this. It works like a deep freezer, where the sides of the box get cold thus the cool air falls and cools the inside of the box.

    Glass may be a good insulator from high voltage, but my windows don't seem to be a good insulator of heat.
  • Jan 17, 2009, 10:38 PM
    andrewc24301
    After some consideration of this problem. And also considering my tightening budget, I may have come up with a simple solution to this cold window problem.

    It only seems to effect windows along the back side of the house that overlooks the hill. My home sits on a hill, the rear of the house overlooks the hill and the front of the house is facing the hill, as such, the hill in the front greatly reduces wind current on the front windows. The rear of the house also faces west, the direction all of our weather comes from including wind.

    So I decided that I will round up some afgan blankets and drape them over the windows in the rear of the house for the season. I will begin working on this tomorrow.

    It will look a little tacky, but so does duct tape. And when it gets down to heating bills, to hell with tacky.
  • Jan 17, 2009, 10:50 PM
    MarkwithaK

    Weather has been a bit brisk here in NW Indiana the past few days. Woke up Friday morning to -17 and with the wind chill it ranged from -30 to -50 and I work outside a lot :p.
  • Jan 17, 2009, 11:04 PM
    andrewc24301
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MarkwithaK View Post
    Weather has been a bit brisk here in NW Indiana the past few days. Woke up Friday morning to -17 and with the wind chill it ranged from -30 to -50 and I work outside a lot :p.


    Well, we don't have anything on you. Never really felt below zero temps. However the temp we are expirencing now, down in the teens and single digits is pushing the limit of what some of our older houses are built to heat and still be efficient. A more average daytime high is in the upper 30's to 40's.

    In my job, whether I work outside or not is a crap shoot. I may get a service call indoors, or I might be outside working on the roof of a school freezer condensing unit.

    Friday I was fortunate to be in a university dining hall all day working, good steam heat in those buildings. Very warm.

    Just a side story, working outside, reminds me of the time I had to go to Applebees one time to work on a walk in freezer that had went down. Friday evening, it was a warm day. But a tropical system was working its way up the valley. Wind gust of 60 MPH. Sideways rain.

    Crawled up on the roof, wind took the panel right out of my hand and slung it across the parking lot. Almost lost the ladder. Pressure switch with bad on it. I was up there for about and hour in the wind and rain. Got so wet that I recall water soaking right though my underwear to where it was dripping off my... well, lets just say I was wet to the core.

    Felt good getting home that day. To bad I was an hour away from home.
  • Jan 17, 2009, 11:08 PM
    MarkwithaK

    I had something similar about 2 summers ago. I was on a roof of a restaurant diagnosing a ad compressor. The weather was bright and sunny when I climbed up there. Just as I was packing it up we were hit with hurricane like winds, pouring rain and lightning. I was literally pinned down on that roof with nowhere nonmetallic to hide! I had to ride it out.
  • Jan 17, 2009, 11:21 PM
    andrewc24301
    Hum... are we in the same field? What do you do for a living?

    I guess it's obvious, I repair commercial kitchen equipment and refrigeration.
  • Jan 17, 2009, 11:27 PM
    MarkwithaK

    I am an HVAC/R technician. I specialize in commercial refrigeration, kitchen equipment, heating, A/C.
  • Jan 17, 2009, 11:31 PM
    andrewc24301
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MarkwithaK View Post
    I am an HVAC/R technician. I specialize in commercial refrigeration, kitchen equipment, heating, A/C.

    Right on... Good to see someone else on here does something similar.

    Only we don't do heating and AC, we are stictly cooking equipment and refrigeration, including small reach ins and walkins. In addition to meat rooms, grinders, scales, fryers, mixers, dishwashers... etc..

    To bad they don't have a "commercial maintenance" board or something, then we could be bonafide "experts" :)
  • Jan 17, 2009, 11:38 PM
    MarkwithaK
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by andrewc24301 View Post
    cooking equipment and refrigeration, including small reach ins and walkins. In addition to meat rooms, grinders, scales, fryers, mixers, dishwashers... etc..

    All that and then some. Ice machines are another. It's kind of funny. I went through HVAC/R school and never once was any kitchen equipment mentioned. I've had to learn it all out in the field lol.
  • Jan 17, 2009, 11:44 PM
    andrewc24301

    HA, for me it was opposite!

    They sent me to dishwasher school, mixer school, grinder school, scale school, but aside from the EPA test they gave me, I had no formal refrigeration training, it was all out in the field.

    I've been to a few ice machine seminars, but I hardly count that as a "school".
  • Jan 17, 2009, 11:45 PM
    MarkwithaK
    Ice machines are easy after the first 50 or so :p
  • Jan 17, 2009, 11:54 PM
    andrewc24301

    Yea, steamers always suck though...

    I've been on call this weekend, got a call this morning to a fryer that shorted out.

    They had cleaned the vat so it was nice and cool and clean, sitting in the back room, however the box that had shorted was on the underside. Where they sprayed it down, it made all of the caked up grease under the fryer cold and wet...

    Nothing like trying to find a screw in what looks like a big box of cold snot.
  • Jan 17, 2009, 11:55 PM
    talaniman

    I grew up in NW Indiana, now live in Texas, haven't had a real coat since I left. No longjohns either. But the summers are a beeyatch!

    Imagine 50 degrees in freakin January!
  • Jan 17, 2009, 11:58 PM
    MarkwithaK
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by andrewc24301 View Post
    Yea, steamers always suck though...

    Yup. Nothing like chipping years of accumulated calcium and sediment out of the element chamber. I'm on call this weekend myself. Had one truck stop with multiple units down and then a gas station with a serious design problem lol.



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I grew up in NW Indiana,

    Really? What part?
  • Jan 18, 2009, 12:05 AM
    andrewc24301
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I grew up in NW Indiana, now live in Texas, havent had a real coat since I left. No longjohns either. But the summers are a beeyatch!

    Imagine 50 degrees in freakin January!

    Thing is, two weeks ago is was in the mid 60's here! And the way our weather is here, two weeks from now it may be 80! Then a cold front comes through and drops it down to 30.

    Crazy stuff...
  • Jan 18, 2009, 12:08 AM
    MarkwithaK

    Honestly I love it here, cold weather and all. I moved down to Florida for a while and couldn't stand it.
  • Jan 18, 2009, 12:18 AM
    andrewc24301

    I like an area of 4 seasons.

    I guess VA is a good fit for me.

    I would like to see more snow though.

    Normally by the end of summer I'm ready for fall, and by the end of winter I'm ready for summer again.
  • Jan 18, 2009, 12:20 AM
    MarkwithaK

    We have plenty of snow right now! You're welcome to as much as you want.
  • Jan 18, 2009, 01:05 AM
    talaniman

    Quote:

    Really? What part?
    Miller beach right next to Portage, and I have seen a lot of lake effect snow. Where are you from Mark?

    Quote:

    Thing is, two weeks ago is was in the mid 60's here! And the way our weather is here, two weeks from now it may be 80! Then a cold front comes through and drops it down to 30.

    Crazy stuff...
    I'm not use to wearing shorts in January, but what's weird is no matter the daytime temps, when the sun goes down, its cold!

    So far I've only seen winters, and summers as fall, and spring are to fast, but I don't miss the snow. If there is any snow whatsoever the whole darned county closes down here, and in Indiana nothing ever closes for the weather, unless you get snowed in, in the boonies.
  • Jan 18, 2009, 01:10 AM
    andrewc24301
    Huh... don't come to VA schools then, they close on the THREAT of a flurry the day before! They have already missed like 10 days and we haven't even gotten enough snow to cover the ground yet!
  • Jan 18, 2009, 12:36 PM
    MarkwithaK
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Miller beach right next to Portage, and I have seen a lot of lake effect snow. Where are you from Mark?

    Right next door! Gary, Indiana born and raised. Black Oak section to be exact.
  • Jan 18, 2009, 07:24 PM
    simoneaugie

    Andrew, afgans are effective! I use quilts too. We went with Penguin windows. They wanted to do the whole house and have us make payments... at 9.99%. I said, no way to the financing, how much can you do of the house for x amount? Their windows are really good. Now we can buy one per year from them until all are done. Less costly windows usually have argon gas in them. If the gas leaks out (and it does) you're SOL for the insulating qualities of the gas. If you do get windows, read the fine print.
  • Jan 18, 2009, 07:44 PM
    andrewc24301
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by simoneaugie View Post
    Andrew, afgans are effective! I use quilts too. We went with Penguin windows. They wanted to do the whole house and have us make payments...at 9.99%. I said, no way to the financing, how much can you do of the house for x amount? Their windows are really good. Now we can buy one per year from them until all are done. Less costly windows usually have argon gas in them. If the gas leaks out (and it does) you're SOL for the insulating qualities of the gas. If you do get windows, read the fine print.

    I think that may have happened with my windows. As they are replacement windows, but they still look old. Some of the windows are drafty, others, not drafty but just feel cold when you are next to them.

    I figured at fifteen bucks a pop, afgans should help quite a bit if I pin them up to the windows before the heating season.
  • Jan 19, 2009, 07:43 AM
    talaniman

    We use to seal the windows from the outside with weather stripping, and heavy plastic, to keep the drafts out, and hang heavy drapes inside, for the winter which was from the end of September to late April. Don't forget the draft from doors also.
  • Jan 19, 2009, 06:44 PM
    andrewc24301
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    We use to seal the windows from the outside with weather stripping, and heavy plastic, to keep the drafts out, and hang heavy drapes inside, for the winter which was from the end of September to late April. Don't forget the draft from doors also.

    I've got my doors sealed up pretty good. My kitchen door leading outside has a busted storm door window, and that makes it hard for the wooden door to hold heat. Not drafty, just cold to the touch all the time.

    I purchased a new storm door about a year ago. It's still sitting in my basement... :p

    Hey - it's on my to-do list! (this spring)
  • Jan 19, 2009, 10:41 PM
    talaniman
    LOL, you must be single. Or your wife is very different than mine, Hmmmm, she actually lets you wait till spring??

    In Indiana we have what is called "wind chill", and believe me that goes through anything. Better fix that door.
  • Jan 19, 2009, 10:49 PM
    Alty

    Ha, I'm laughing right now. I'm in Canada and today it was 4 degrees celsius, wait, I'll convert that, give me a minute, okay apparently that's 39 degrees fahrenheit.

    I won't be laughing for long though, tomorrow it's supposed to go down to -30 celsius, wait, another conversion, that's -22 fahrenheit.

    You boys feeling bad yet? ;)
  • Jan 19, 2009, 10:57 PM
    ISneezeFunny

    Here in atl...

    I was wearing a t-shirt on christmas. Went out wearing a long sleeved shirt for new year's.

    ... about a few days ago, it went from 65 degrees one night... to 30 degrees next night, and 12 degrees the next.

    ... we... had... hail!

    Of course, being georgians, the MINUTE we heard "freeze warning," we all headed to the local grocery store in a panic buying up surplus of water, ready to eat meals, rice, and bags of salt by the pound.

    ... silly georgians...
  • Jan 19, 2009, 11:01 PM
    Alty

    Sneezy, did you go to the local store too? ;)

    A little hail and you freak out? We have so much snow that I could lose my daughter in it.

    You big baby, suck it up! :D
  • Jan 19, 2009, 11:04 PM
    ISneezeFunny

    At the local CostCo (Another Sam's club type deals), they were selling "emergency survival kits" for $50 a pop. It included blankets, 160 ready-to-eat meals, heating apparatus, flashlight, the works.

    ... they sold out within a weekend.
  • Jan 19, 2009, 11:07 PM
    Alty

    Wow, Georgians are sad.:rolleyes:
  • Jan 20, 2009, 01:28 PM
    StaticFX
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ISneezeFunny View Post
    At the local CostCo (Another Sam's club type deals), they were selling "emergency survival kits" for $50 a pop. It included blankets, 160 ready-to-eat meals, heating apparatus, flashlight, the works.

    ...they sold out within a weekend.

    BAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAA


    12+ inches... I might buy an extra milk so I don't have to go as soon. But really its only if we get more than a few feet in 24hrs when things get messy here in western NY

    :)
  • Jan 20, 2009, 05:01 PM
    andrewc24301
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    LOL, you must be single. Or your wife is very different than mine, Hmmmm, she actually lets you wait till spring???

    In Indiana we have what is called "wind chill", and believe me that goes thru anything. Better fix that door.


    I am married, but I don't think she realizes the new door is down there, or maybe she has fogotten about it. Lol

    And at this point, I see no need to bring it to her attention... :D
  • Jan 20, 2009, 05:05 PM
    andrewc24301
    I didn't realize there were more comments on this, they were hidden on the next page!

    Virginia is ridiculous about incliment weather. Schools close over almost anything. They have already missed about two weeks worth of school, yet it has yet to snow an inch.

    The only reason I can figure for the auto accidents when it flurries, as that Virginians are so mesmorized by the snow flakes that they just veer into the guard rail.

    I've never been a panicer about weather, sometimes I will just happen to need a gallon of milk or something the day before a massive snowstorm dropping a whopping "possible accumulation of 2 inches", only to find that the only brands of milk left is the expensive ones.
  • Jan 20, 2009, 07:26 PM
    MarkwithaK
    I had a friend that lives in Texas. All I herd was how tough Texans are and how they can handle anything and blah blah blah. I worked the midnight shift at a diesel repair shop and during the winter drivers from the southern states would come in and complain about the weather, the ones that whined the most were Texans. :p
    That's why I say that those of us in the upper 48 are better off. We can handle the cold and the heat isn't that big of a deal either. Here in Indiana our summers are, on average, above 100. No wonder the south lost :D
  • Jan 20, 2009, 07:46 PM
    andrewc24301

    Well, it's like I've always wanted to see a white christmas at my home when I wake up.

    Never had one in the 28 years I've graced this land.

    We did wake up to a "white Easter" 2 years ago though. A freak midnight squawl came through the night before, the snow was all melted by lunch, but it dropped about 2 inches on the ground. Daytime high, almost 60 degrees.

    Easter... a holiday normally associated with spring!

    Again I say, crazy stuff...

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