Yes, cloning is illegal, but if it were to be legalised, who would, or would not be against it being legalised, and why? (or why not)
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Yes, cloning is illegal, but if it were to be legalised, who would, or would not be against it being legalised, and why? (or why not)
If cloning were legalized.. well there'd have to be a good reason for it. So far no cloning experiments have worked well - yes they can clone an animal and what not but it dies pretty quickly compared to the original life span it should have had. I guess I'm against it unless there's a good enough reason that we'd need to have clones running around.
Think of this, lets say, instead of a draft or what have you, they legalize cloning for the military and such, so that way, no one really loses a member of their family.
That's a good idea but what prevents those clones from wanting their own life.I say it would be too dangerous. Its like identity theft now... imagine a clone running around just like you actin' a fool.Or worse if those clones we create decide they want to work with our enemies rather than with us.:cool:
Nope, and who are we to play God?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenovo
This is a very emotional and debatable subject. But I don't think it is our place to play God.
Some would argue J_9 that we play God every day in our emergency rooms and hospitals throughout the world. Just on a different level.
I agree that it is a very emotionally and debatable subject and one that isn't simple to address.
I certainly don't agree with it for the purpose of creating armies.
Skell, I have to totally agree with you on the ERs and hospitals around the world. Yeah, in a sense we do play God.
But to create a human in a test tube for reasons of creating armies, etc, it is my belief that it should not be done.
It is only my belief that cloning should not be done in any way shape or form.
That's crazy, cloning for the military! What is the point? Pure insanity!
I think illegal, Some things are just to damn weird and this is one of them. Hmm although another one of me might be nice.
Wow, cloning for the military is just inhumane! I don't think we will ever need to clone and if for some odd reason we had to, I would be 100% against it.
Well yea, think about it. Creating humans and then sending them to slaughter. If that ever happens, we need to change our government quick! They will clone cows and sheep for food soon. The same as GM corn and soy beans. We can't stop it.
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Originally Posted by rankrank55
True, it may be somewhat inhumane, but isn't going to war and killing for oil or what not just as inhumane? Couldn't you classify war as being just as inhumane as cloning people so no one really suffers a loss to the army, military, navy, what ever?
Ever seen the film 'the island' where people are cloned for body parts when the original becomes diseased or whatever I think that's a good enough reason to clone just keep them all in induced comas so they are not actually 'living' as such, and as in the film it would cost a lot so only the richest ofpeople would be able to afford a clone, so the government if they did clone for the army would not specficatly clone anybody they would mess with their DNA to make them more capable in battle conditions,e.g. higher stamina greater eyesight less independent thought, make it imune to poisons,theyd make it like a GM human, 'the perfect warrior' type being so technically it wouldn't be human, plus its unlikely because it would cost so much, much cheeper just to recuit people
Cloning isn't a nice thought at all. What a very dangerous practice it is and could become if adopted by the wrong people. I see stem cell research as having merit. But complete human cloning. No thanks! That is too much!
Skell you wuss
Haha! Funny! That isn't the first time I've been called a wuss. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by albear
So why the problem with full human cloning
Cloning...... I think God would be angry that people created new life and would maybe smight said people. Something I would rather not tamper with:p
Well just to address your argument the thought of cloning a super human to go to war / slaughter just doesn't sit well with me.
But then again I'm a wus. ;)
Why don't you have a problem?
Its not creating a new life its more like copying the old one, oh and depends if you believe in godQuote:
Originally Posted by Canada_Sweety
I don't believe in God. It isn't a religious viewpoint I can assure you of that.
When we copy something essentially we are still creating something. It may be similar / same to what we already have. But it has still been created.
Also true...
But I still think we shouldn'ttamper with cloning & such.
War is the natural order of life, get used to itQuote:
Originally Posted by Skell
Besides isn't slaughter what we are doing in going to war any way so with clones were not actually losing people of the community, think of what I put in my coment as a bio robot, with no actual reason to exist.
I don't have a problem with it because I can't see any problems that cannot be overcome
My point exactly, how could it be wrong, if we were to hypothetically clone for the army? Wouldn't it be okay to clone a life to save a life? Just simply keep the clone in check. And as you said before albear, like the movie "The Island"Quote:
Originally Posted by albear
AHA another comrade in the 'for clones discussion' yea like in 'the island' but keep them in an induced coma because if they were living 'lives' as such it wouldn't be right to take it away if the clones are being used for medical purposes. OOH another point would be less animal testing for you animal rights activists out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenovo
I personally feel that cloning should remain illegal and if it was not I personally would be against it. There are too many immoral things that would happen due to cloning. Also it is very hard scientifically to do and who know the consequences of actual cloning will have on future generations.
I think the question is where will it stop?
Cloning superhuman war machines one day, cloning a police force the next, and bar security the next.
Where will the line in the sand be drawn??
Where did the sand come from?
From the weathering of rocks??
As I said before it will not go that far because the cost is too high, imagine paying millions for bar security, even super human war machines as you so elegantly put it will be a rareity because imagine how high the rate of taxes will rise to pay for that your thinking in terms of that we live in a world where money is not an issue, so there is no need to wonder where a line will be drawn because there is no sand, only rich and famous people will even be able to afford itQuote:
Originally Posted by Skell
I'm sure the cost of military air craft seemed unimaginable years ago. As you said earlier no problem can not be overcome. Cost included?
That's not what I meant when I said 'no problem can not be overcome' if I reworded it I would have used the word ethical, besides do you see it costing so much a problem, because I don't personally, besides the cost of military aircraft is still great, it just doesn't seem it. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by suggesting that the cost is a problemQuote:
Originally Posted by Skell
I'm suggesting that the cost won't be a problem one day!
Your argument was that cloning armies etc will never get off the ground because of the high cost implications.
I'm suggesting that one day the cost won't be an issue.
Yes the cost of military air craft is still great. It doesn't stop us producing them.
I'm sorry if I'm missing your point. I thought you were arguing that the cost of cloning will prevent it from being used to create armies. No?
Yes that is correct, I am, sorry I missed your point, OK, look at how many air craft we have, cloning a 'ultimate' warrior is going to be more expensive, agreed, so therefore there will be less made, now compare the number of aircraft we have compared to the number of infantry, and the total army personnel, the 'clone' army will need to be of similar size and so my point still remains that the cost will be an issue because of the sheer numbers the army will want to replace the existing infantry and the likes
No doubt cost will be an issue. But for how long is my point?
Now, what if they were to clone a human, without any special enhancements or anything, simply to see if they can use it and control it the way they saw fit?
Star wars episode 2 anyone?
Yes but if it was unaltered then they wouldn't use something that cost so much as a grunt, the star wars clones were modified and the cost be around as long as the earth because no government will be willing to raise taxes by that degree. Its just too high, and don't suggest that it won't be that high someday, because if you haven't noticed prices aren't going down no matter what the adverts say, so if anything they will become more expensive to produce.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenovo
first of all, whether it is right or wrong, it is going to happen. There really is no stopping it at this point.
The discussion so far seems to be that clones will be inhuman... soulless... not worth the life they are given. That seems rather harsh. I mean, we could use regular people and grow them in incubators and use them just the same as the clones. What stops us from doing that? The inhumanity of it. So why would a cloned life be condemned to such an inhumane life?
As far as God goes... true: Only God can create Life. However, God gave the ability for Life to create Life. Is this any different? We are creating Life from Life... an ability that God has given us. It may be another issue had we been creating Life from no-Life. Will He smite us? Lol possibly... but is it really any different that the world of sin we live in today??
Cost... yeah, as said, if it really is an issue now, it won't be for long. There is plenty of money in the world and the more we advance, the easier it will become.
Are you suggesting that making a clone will in cost so much that it will become an everyday item.
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