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Actually this is situational. Its going to depend on proximity. You can kill faster with a knife then you can with a gun. The rule of thumb is 20ft. That is what is taught to police as the danger zone for a knife. If a person doesn't have a gun pulled they are on the losing side of the situation when closer then 20ft.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I would imagine those situations are rare.Quote:
You can kill faster with a knife then you can with a gun.
Anyway this thread can go on and on but nothing will change I'm afraid. Desperate people will still exist and they will use the most efficient method to do damage.
CDad... I want to thank you again for correcting me. I was at work and didn't have my husband available for corrections.
New info... 8 dead and 1 injured. The injured had a small laceration and was treated and released. To police. She was highly intoxicated. And driving. I suppose we should ban cars now? Or bring back prohibition?
Here are some videos in support of having a weapon handy. One is from a thread that was posted here.
Casper Police: Nail salon customer packs heat, gunman leaves
This is from a thread here:
12-year-old girl shoots intruder | Fox News Video
Thread discussion:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/firear...ms-713447.html
Dad it must be sad to live in your macho fantasyland where everyone is a hero and you can be sure everyone will do the right thing. If that were true crime would be a thing of the past because the Vigilante Committee led by Zoro would have cleaned it up by now. Maybe you can talk big Arnie into coming on board? He'll get the job done with a small body count, Wait a minute, why didn't he get the job done while he was govenator?Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
Hello again,
A weapon for self protection ISN'T what we're talking about here. A lady in her house DOESN'T need a Bushmaster. She doesn't NEED a magazine that holds 100's of rounds. She doesn't need a Glock 10.
I believe we can do BOTH - protect the little old lady in her house, and protect our children.
excon
Yes Ex it maybe possible to give her peace of mind, but protection, she would be safer with an electric fence I think this tells a story
Guns in America: An interactive look at the shocking facts | News.com.au
An electric fence? Seriously? What planet do you live on to think that is protection?
Then what are we talking about here? It seems some on this thread want to ban guns completely. What is your between solution ?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again,
Every freedom we enjoy has a cost. How big a cost are we willing to suffer for unfettered access to mass killing machines?
I believe we've reached the tipping point.
Do you remember how we once dealt with drunk drivers?? It was really OK. We didn't really DO anything to them. It was kind of accepted... Everybody did it..
Then, we reached the tipping point.
excon
Hello d:
I don't HAVE a solution. I support the Second Amendment, and I LOVE our children.Quote:
What is your between solution ?
Excon
To me the cost of tipping over that point came at a very high price. In today's world of cellphones for mobile communication it could have been handled differently. Instead we got check points. Im not happy with that one. Having reasonable restrictions and limitations as a society is one thing. But the continious erosion of rights is another against law abiding citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Without balance the conflict continues.
Hello again, Dad:
Well, we managed REGULATE drunk driving WITHOUT curtailing your right to drink. I don't know WHY we couldn't find some middle ground here.Quote:
Without balance the conflict continues.
Excon
My middle ground... no one should own a nuke.
Hello again, tom:
There are always a few dinosaurs. But, your party has moved LEFTWARD. The right wing has been REPUDIATED - FIRST by the election, and SECOND by the massacre of our children.
Jump on board or be left behind.
excon
So now you blame a massacre of children by a wacko to "right wing" ? Why am I not surprise ?
Must be the fault of that "different America" you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
I'll talk about (more) gun control when someone talks about fast and furious. Apparently it's OK to kill Mexicans and Border Patrol agents.
Yes ,and the only massacre the President failed to mention happened at Fort Hood.Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Hello again, wingers:
I KNEW you wouldn't be going along... The nation has taken a turn and is leaving you behind. We're just informing you to watch you squawk about it.
excon
And you know every time you do it only drives gun sales higher. We'll be loaded for bear and then some.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, wingers:
Look. I'm trying to help. We're friends.. You were wrong on taxes. You were wrong on contraceptives. You were wrong on Obamacare. You were wrong about women & Hispanics...
Your party has accepted these realities and is moving on.. Oh yeah, there's some dinosaurs. But, you don't want to be one a them.
Here's the NEW reality... There WILL be comprehensive gun control. You're wrong about that one too.
excon
Look, there are already gun laws and there will probably be more restrictions, but you're not getting my guns. Period. It ain't going to happen. In fact, the wife and I are going for concealed carry permits.
Meanwhile, maybe you could work on our broken mental health system, a culture that thinks nothing of snuffing out human life by the millions legally, and encourage people to give their kids a mom AND a dad. Would be a start.
Hello again, Steve:
Oh, thou who's rightest knee jerketh. We ain't going to take away your guns... But, we ARE going to take away those huge magazines. We ARE going to take away assault rifles (whatever that means). We ARE going to get rid of the gun show loophole. And, we're going to make it a LOT harder to get a gun. Along with this, I think the government will get back into the business of running nut houses.
Now, I don't know if I nailed it, but I'm close.
excon
Similar restrictions didn't work for a decade . But what the heck . Who needs results ? That has never been a left priority before .
But will parents lock up their guns at home and hide the key? If they don't, it won't matter how loose or restrictive gun laws are.
Every first responder and cop I have ever talked to has said the availibility of better weapons than they have has always been a hindrance and danger to them and those they serve. Maybe more first responders and cops to be where ever they are needed is a better answer as well as banning certain weapons for the general public.
Seems some trained law enforcement types to screen people before they even enter the premises of vulnerable public places would go along way in protecting the public from the dangerous loons who threaten us all. Then we can argue the value of machine guns for personal protection and what to do about the rights we have or don't have.
6 million more cops should do nicely, or is that too much to spend on public safety and protection from the bad guys? I would trust them before I trusted some civilian that likes to carry a machine gun. If you need a few hundred rounds for protection, then its you that should be evaluated, or conscripted into the army.
A few well placed cops on the perimeter would have stopped a crazy guy with bad intentions before he gets started.
I've been predicting for years that sooner or later, there would be a shooting so horrific that it would finally change public opinion and force politicians to change gun laws. I think that this is the one. Even the NRA has been silent. I think they need to close the gun show loophole, I don't see how anyone could be against that yet the NRA and many politicians are, they are idiots. I don't see why gun owners are so afraid of requiring a licence to purchase and registering guns. Gun rights groups point out that Switzerland has a high rate of gun ownership, but they don't mention or probably don't that you need a licence to purchase handguns there, and they are registered. Culteral differences also explain their low crime rate. The Swiss don't have the same selfishness, sense of entitlement and disrespect towards authority and human life that Americans do.
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Tom, you say that I am too tough on your comments and I don't pay enough attention to other posts that lack credible evidence.
Could you tell me why I would not see this as fulfilling a preconceived idea I might have?
Tut
The swiss also take that militia thing seriously, they are all part of their army at one time or another, but I have met some swiss who are gun nuts too. There are things that happen in Switzerland that don't happen in the US, people don't mind their own businessQuote:
Originally Posted by earl237
What did you mean when you said they don't mind their own business? I've heard that they are very private people and they don't interfere in other people's lives unless if affects them.
I just ordered a new AR.
I think they had the same thing in Nazi Germany about the time of the war. Should we just throw out the constitution and let you libs do anything you feel like? This is the direct cause of why the states want to split apart. And as far as the police and first responders goes. Someone isn't telling you the truth. For one thing first responders don't carry weapons. It is not allowed. And the police have more military hardware then you can possibly imagine. Your living in a dream world if you think otherwise. Got proof ?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Hope you got one of these ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf
That's next. We already have 2 but we need another. Hold on to them for a couple of years then sell for a profit. Oh yeah!
You're nuts
Nah. Just a collector, most are in our local museum. In all the guns we have are worth more than our house. Many have been passed down to us for a couple of generations. Nice liftoff nest egg should we ever need it.
The nra has realeased a statement according to cnn
Here is a copy and paste from cnn's Facebook page
BREAKING NEWS: NRA, in its first statement after the Newtown shootings, says it is prepared "to help make sure this never happens again" CNN.com - Breaking News, U.S., World, Weather, Entertainment & Video News
Ah yes, always looking for the government to solve all your problems. At what point will it hit you that all those government "solutions" have zapped your freedom?Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
So having a principal with a AR is better than more trained cops, outside the building?Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
What part of regulations are you not understanding? What country do YOU live in that puts more importance on supposed rights than protecting the common good?Quote:
As passed by the Congress:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Google mayors on gun control, then Google police on gun control and read my proof since the mayors, and cops I know personally don't bother with right wing talking points and are on the front line of criminal activity and loony carnage. You can't stop loonies and criminals from getting what the want illegally, we haven't yet but we can deny them through law the access to WMD.
You just keep waiting for the next shooting, while CT was only one of 4 around the country last week.
Brag about your rights after the funerals.
A principal with a gun could have stopped this man in his tracks.
Our elementary school is now on lockdown. You can't get into the school without going to the front office AND the principal is now carrying.
We need to ban spoons because they make people fat. We need to ban cars because they kill people when their driver is drunk.
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