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  • Feb 8, 2008, 03:34 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    I just know Obama would improve the quality of sex education in public schools.

    Alrighty then, what's his proposal to do that?
  • Feb 8, 2008, 03:54 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Alrighty then, what's his proposal to do that?

    Obama sponsored sex education legislation in the Illinois Senate that supported "local schools informing kindergarteners that babies do not come from the stork" and "teaching kindergarteners about 'inappropriate touching.'"

    From Obama and sex ed for kids - The Body Odd - msnbc.com --

    The Obama campaign gave this statement to CBN's David Brody: "Barack Obama supports sensible, community-driven education for children because, among other things, he believes it could help protect them from pedophiles. A child's knowledge of the difference between appropriate and inappropriate touching is crucial to keeping them safe from predators."

    From The Reaction: Obama, sex education, and the inevitable smears --

    What Obama actually supports is "age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools," which is a great idea... Given that our children are being inundated with sexual images, that they are learning about sex, and not always good things about sex, at ever younger ages, that they are having sex at ever younger ages, or at least having irresponsible sex at disturbingly young ages, that HIV and other sexually-transmitted diseases and teen pregnancy remain serious problems, that, in generally, our children are being sexualized at early ages, there very much needs to be such sex education in the schools.
  • Feb 8, 2008, 04:10 PM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    What Obama actually supports is "age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools," which is a great idea.... Given that our children are being inundated with sexual images, that they are learning about sex, and not always good things about sex, at ever younger ages, that they are having sex at ever younger ages, or at least having irresponsible sex at disturbingly young ages, that HIV and other sexually-transmitted diseases and teen pregnancy remain serious problems, that, in generally, our children are being sexualized at early ages, there very much needs to be such sex education in the schools.

    Yep, sounds identical to Planned Parenthood's position. And now that HPV is linked to oral cancer in men, what kind of safe sex should we be teaching in our schools?
  • Feb 8, 2008, 04:14 PM
    Dark_crow
    "age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools," is just another example of symbolism with-out substance. They mean different things to different people. Everyone can agree with the symbolism but the division begins when we get to substance.
  • Feb 8, 2008, 04:14 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Yep, sounds identical to Planned Parenthood's position. And now that HPV is linked to oral cancer in men, what kind of safe sex should we be teaching in our schools?

    Not necessarily. Safe sex = abstinence.
  • Feb 8, 2008, 06:05 PM
    Wondergirl
    I would guess yes, he does--definitely that the safest sex is abstinence..
  • Feb 9, 2008, 05:36 AM
    speechlesstx
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    I would guess yes, he does--definitely that the safest sex is abstinence..

    But would he teach it?
  • Feb 9, 2008, 07:32 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    But would he teach it?

    Yes. He has two daughters. I'm sure he would want each of them to choose abstinence until they found the right guy.
  • Feb 9, 2008, 09:36 AM
    mintone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by clinton mccoy
    I want the best person also. To me the person that can cross party lines and gain support would be the person of my choice. I like a person who makes me feel like they would sit down and eat dinner with me.

    Be real, none of those white people would sit down and eat with you if the cameras aren't there. This country of ours (which is the best in the world) is still one of the most racist places in the world. Black people have bent over backwards to be accepted and white people haven't done that yet. That man is just as qualified as anyone else running for President. The only way he will be elected is if the powers that be says he will. Don't let them fool you.
  • Feb 9, 2008, 09:41 AM
    wilddog27
    Very interesting and something that should be considered in your
    Choice.

    Who is Barack Obama?

    Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born
    In Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. a black MUSLIM
    From Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from
    Wichita, Kansas.
    Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two
    Years old, his parents divorced. Hi s father returned to Kenya. His
    Mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.
    When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama
    Attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a
    Catholic school.

    Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is
    Quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also
    attended Catholic school."

    Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
    That he is not a radical.

    Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this
    Influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned
    To Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct
    Influence over his son's education.

    Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
    Introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school
    In Jakarta.

    Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim
    Terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since
    It is politically expedient to be a CH RISTIAN when seeking major
    Public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined
    The United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
    Background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he
    DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

    Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor
    Will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands
    Over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

    Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
    Candidacy.

    The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside
    Out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the
    President of the United States, one of their own!!
  • Feb 9, 2008, 10:11 AM
    tomder55
    He has attended and is a member of the Trinity Unity Church of Christ all this time as a deception? He sure has all of us fooled!!

    There are plenty of reasons to vote against him . But this religion card is a false smear .

    Give me one solid piece of proof that he is a practicing Muslim besides this rediiculous assertion that because his father was one then by association he is one. The charge that he was sworn in using the Koran is an outright lie.
    Press reports from Obama's swearing-in ceremony mention specifically that Obama took the oath of office by placing his hand on his own Bible. Vice President Cheney administered the oath. I guarantee he would've brought it up by now if it were true. Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison is the congressman who swore in on the Koran ;not Obama. Urban Legends Reference Pages: Who Is Barack Obama?
  • Feb 9, 2008, 10:13 AM
    s_cianci
    What does "black" have anything to do with it?
  • Feb 9, 2008, 10:25 AM
    oneguyinohio
    With all this talk, I half expect to see the name on the ballot written as Balack Obama... Not that I think it would matter... He'll still defeat Hitlery
  • Feb 9, 2008, 11:27 AM
    Allheart
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by s_cianci
    What does "black" have anything to do with it?


    I also agree with that, what does "black" have to do with anything? I think most of America feels that way. But I think, not very sure and probably shouldn't speak for the black community, but it may be possible that it is very exciting for the black community. Not to say the community would favor him because of his race, but he would be the very first black President, and with all the struggles the community faced in our history, this may be huge for African Americans.

    I have to admit, when I first heard Hillary was running, I thought... Uh oh... as I kiddingly said, you know how us females can get. Mad as heck one minute and may even lash out and then afterwards, we get all teary eyed saying, I'm so sorry, I really didn't mean that. I thought we all need to run for the hills :p

    In truth, I did take the time to watch some of the debates, and I have to tell you, Hillary holds her own and has impressed me. I do love and admire strong women, although that would not make me vote for her, but she did impress me.

    The fact that she was female... and I'm female... and it would be the first female... didn't really get me excited... until recently. There is a little part of me inside, beaming with some pride that a female may be President and a part of me thinks that's pretty awesome and does excite me just a little. But it still would not be my reason to vote for her. Not saying I am not... I am still undecided.

    So, I'm thinking, it may be the same for the black communtiy, perhaps in their heart of hearts there is a light of excitement... can't say I blame them.
  • Feb 9, 2008, 07:31 PM
    BxxDunc
    Well, I'm not sure we are. But were most definitely ready for a women. And not a Republican either. So he is the next best thing?
  • Feb 9, 2008, 09:38 PM
    allroadsleadtojamaica
    I think America is, I'm not an Americain citizen, but my only concern is that the voters won't choose him because of the rate of racisim in America.
  • Feb 9, 2008, 09:40 PM
    allroadsleadtojamaica
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by s_cianci
    What does "black" have anything to do with it?

    I agree, what does "black" have to do with it? I've seen him on plenty of talk shows, he's an amazing man.
  • Feb 10, 2008, 07:54 AM
    excon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by clinton mccoy
    Is America ready for a black president?

    Hello clinton:

    It's the wrong question.

    When our founding fathers established this great nation, they didn't ask the world whether it was ready for something they had never seen before. They KNEW it was ready.

    I'm damn glad, too.

    excon
  • Feb 10, 2008, 08:16 AM
    Gregisteredtrademark
    Ok so here are my two cents and unfortunately it may not be a popular answer. I can not answer the above question because America is made up of social pockets. I can not pretend to speak for someone from Seattle or Austin or from New Orleans. I happen to live in the north east and the truthful answer in this part of the country is no. I will sight the New Hampshire primary as my example. Obama was going to crush Hilary by over a double digit percentage. But what happened? People said one thing and did what they were comfortable with. The North East is full of small towns and quaint villages, the truth is that if a black male is walking down the street or is in the store, they are given multiple looks. People are just not comfortable with it due to stereo types. But this is not just a black thing, I see it with middle easterners, people of mexican or central american heritage as well. Is it right? Of course not, but it's reality.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 10:55 AM
    EIFS EXPERT
    I don't like Obama because there is more to him than meets the eye. Wake up America.

    Go Hillary!
  • Feb 13, 2008, 09:08 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by EIFS EXPERT
    I don't like Obama because there is more to him than meets the eye. Wake up America.

    Such as?
  • Feb 13, 2008, 09:24 PM
    Skell
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    Such as?

    Haven't you heard? He is a dangerous muslim who is going to destroy you guys from the inside out! :rolleyes:

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-...tml#post872316
  • Feb 13, 2008, 09:26 PM
    revenge
    I agree with any color but not a woman. Woman shall not rule a country!!
    I guess your agree with me. Rate .
  • Feb 13, 2008, 09:26 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Skell
    Havent you heard? He is a dangerous muslim who is going to destroy you guys from the inside out! :rolleyes:

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-...tml#post872316

    Lolololololol hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha lolololololololololol
  • Feb 13, 2008, 09:31 PM
    Skell
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    lolololololol hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha lolololololololololol

    ;)

    I think it will be wonderful if he gets in. I think it will certainly aid in the US's somewhat tarnished (rightly or wrongly) reputation and how they are viewed by many around the world. His ability to unite people I think will far outweigh any question marks on his experience. And I like what I think excon says. His lack of experience makes him the right man for the job.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 09:36 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Skell
    And i like what i think excon says.

    Ah! You've discovered excon is a pretty savvy fellow.
  • Feb 13, 2008, 10:17 PM
    bushg
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by revenge
    I agree with any color but not a woman. Woman shall not rule a country!!!!
    I guess your agree with me. rate .

    I agree that color should not matter. Also being a woman should not matter either. A woman gave you birth. Show some damn respect.:mad:
  • Feb 13, 2008, 10:33 PM
    beautifulsteph18
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by clinton mccoy
    Is America ready for a black president?

    I don't think that it matters whether they are black and white color is just a color just like blue or red I think that if he's is going to be the one to turn this country around and get past this war cramp then yeah I mean there is other things besides that to but yeah a black president would good
  • Feb 14, 2008, 08:01 PM
    revenge
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bushg
    I agree that color should not matter. Also being a woman should not matter either. A woman gave you birth. Show some damn respect.:mad:

    Dude read bible,
  • Feb 14, 2008, 08:25 PM
    Fr_Chuck
    Yes, I have read the bible, OT perhaps the book of Ruth who was a judge over the people. The bible has no rules on civil authorities but has to many rules about women being over men on religious matters.

    Since except for OT rules, the bible does not have requirements for civil rulers, except that we are to obey them.
  • Feb 15, 2008, 11:31 AM
    clinton mccoy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    Interesting take:

    “Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, founder and president of the non-profit Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny, or BOND, told Cybercast News Service that he doesn't want the first African-American president to hold values that are detrimental to the black community.

    "Abortion is genocide," Peterson said. "It has had a greater affect on the African American community than slavery itself. For Barack Obama to support abortion shows a lack of love for the black community and especially for the unborn."

    Childress agreed that just being African-American doesn't make Obama the right person to be president.

    "Martin Luther King said of his daughter that he didn't want her to be judged by the color of her skin, but by the content of her character," said Childress. "People are applauding Obama because of the color of his skin and not his character."”

    Obama's Abortion Stance Hurts Blacks, Say Pro-Life Experts -- 01/08/2008

    Obama supports the right for a person to make their own decisions on abortion. That is different from saying that he would allow his wife to have one.
    I am against abortions!! But I will not tell someone else they can not have one. Definitely do not now want my government or someone who does not know all the variables involved to make that decisions for others
  • Feb 15, 2008, 11:53 AM
    clinton mccoy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Ah, the emotional factor. I'd rather vote for the best candidate, not the one with that "charms" me the most. The last paragraph speaks volumes:

    You can learn how to do paper work, but to inspire people to rise hire than they thought...
    Question Who would you rather work for, a manager with a lot of expeirence but does not express that experience in a way that get workers motivated and actuallyboggs down production and efficiency. Or a manager who has some expeirance< but also hires expienced workers and has the ability to inspire those works to make something happen, i.e. boost efficiency?
  • Feb 15, 2008, 12:12 PM
    clinton mccoy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Skell
    Havent you heard? He is a dangerous muslim who is going to destroy you guys from the inside out! :rolleyes:

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-...tml#post872316

    And some how you think that the NSA, CIA,Congress,FBI, knows less than you do about him? Come on people lets think!! LOL!
  • Feb 15, 2008, 12:19 PM
    clinton mccoy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wilddog27
    Very interesting and something that should be considered in your
    choice.

    Who is Barack Obama?

    Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born
    in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM
    from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from
    Wichita, Kansas.
    Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two
    years old, his parents divorced. Hi s father returned to Kenya. His
    mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.?
    When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama
    attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a
    Catholic school.

    Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is
    quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also
    attended Catholic school."

    Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
    that he is not a radical.

    Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this
    influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned
    to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct
    influence over his son's education.

    Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
    introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school
    in Jakarta.

    Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim
    terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since
    it is politically expedient to be a CH RISTIAN when seeking major
    public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined
    the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
    background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he
    DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

    Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor
    will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands
    over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

    Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
    candidacy.

    The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside
    out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the
    President of the United States, one of their own!!!!

    And some how you think that the NSA, CIA,Congress,FBI, knows less than you do about him? Come on people lets think!! LOL!
  • Feb 15, 2008, 12:21 PM
    clinton mccoy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Skell
    Havent you heard? He is a dangerous muslim who is going to destroy you guys from the inside out! :rolleyes:

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-...tml#post872316

    And some how you think that the NSA, CIA,Congress,FBI, knows less than you do about him? Come on people lets think!! LOL!
  • Feb 15, 2008, 01:08 PM
    bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by revenge
    dude read bible,

    Dude get a life!
  • Feb 15, 2008, 09:20 PM
    bushg
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by revenge
    dude read bible,

    Dude, dudette here, dude you are on the wrong thread... try the religious forum.

    2008 women do not have to walk behind men or obey! We can drive, work and even VOTE for whom we choose.
  • Feb 15, 2008, 09:30 PM
    Fr_Chuck
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bushg
    Dude, dudette here, dude you are on the wrong thread...try the religious forum.
    2008 women do not have to walk behind men or obey! We can drive, work and even VOTE for whom we choose.

    Women really get to vote? I thought they just let them cast a ballot but just throw them out to let them think their vote was counting.

    But that is about as beleivable as so many of the lies on Obama, Now I am a republician, so I don't like him or Hillary for president, but the silly lies about him. Is there some relastonship between aeras that believe this and UFO sightings.
  • Feb 15, 2008, 09:37 PM
    bushg
    Fr. Ha ha cute post. This past spring our polls had electronic/computerized ballot counters. <---not sure what they are called but pretty spiffy. We still had to use the paper ballots but after we filled them out instead of handing them to the poll dudettes we fed them into the machine.
    Is my town behind times, right in sync or ahead of other towns?
  • Feb 15, 2008, 10:04 PM
    Fr_Chuck
    That is why they want the new computer ones, they can tell the DNA from your touch, tell if you are male or female, get a copy of your finger print and secretly inplant that CIA tracking device as you push the buttom.

    I felt cheated in this primary, they had all these new electronic machines, gave us something that looked like a credit card to push into the machine, and only the one issue, no local issues on the ballot at all. But it was nice, they had one for those who don't see well,

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