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I made up my mind only two weeks ago. I would vote republican if I thought one of the candidates were the best for the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I could not get ignorant that would have played into there mind set. I felt better pointing out how uninformed they were. Oh went deep with it. At first they thought I was a dumb gold wearing black person.
McCain is a moderate Republican and I don't think will be a Bush clone. But he wants to stay in Iraq for generations, and I think we can get out of there and still leave the country in one piece. I'd like to see a woman in the White House, but Hillary doesn't quite do it for me. Plus she has baggage that's a little too heavy. (It's name is Bill.) I just tonight donated to Obama. I get email from his campaign office every day. I want him to clean up before the convention and not go into that with fears that he might not make it.
The trouble with that approach is that they may not have much of an intellectual level in the first place...Quote:
Originally Posted by clinton mccoy
I've actually had the opportunity to hear people who have formally said things about how slavery should not have been abolished... with deep roots in the south... say that Obama seems like a pretty good choice once they listened to him!
I would be surprised if Obama hasn't considered the risks involved, knowing that there are plenty of people with hatred of all types.
Smart people will see potential to unite different races, but at the same time, the potential for it to tear apart the country socially if something does happen, is extremely great.
I was less than 2 years old when MLK was killed, and not even thought of for JFK, but I am wondering if the various sides would react the same today if that type of thing were to happen. There is a great rift in our country already between people of different cultures or financial means, and I fear a mass riot or racial war might explode if some of the predictions about Obama were to happen. I certainly hope not to see any such thing, but at the same time, there are some people who would hope to cause it. I hope I am wrong, and maybe that just shows my negative view about the nature of some people.
I don't think so either, but that's already part of the Democrats' strategy. From Howard Dean yesterday:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
It's no surprise that Dean would run with this, Hillary's been running against Bush all along. She manages to work in some variation of "the failure of the Bush administration" every time she speaks.Quote:
Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney are done. John McCain will be the Republican nominee -- he's the only one with a reasonable path to the nomination.
So how do we beat him? We stand up -- right now -- start fighting, and show the American people that he's not who they think he is.
We can't wait for Hillary or Barack to win the nomination. Now that the Republicans have a candidate, the dollars are starting to pour in from special interests who will do anything to beat the Democratic nominee. They're just waiting for us to decide so they can start smearing...
John McCain is a media darling, but don't trust his carefully-crafted image - he's worked for years to brand himself. From Iraq to health care, Social Security to special interest tax cuts to ethics, he's promising nothing more than a third Bush term.
Steve you said on another posting that the media will turn on this media darling . I agree with that . There is no way McCain gets the NY Slimes endorsement in the general election. He'd best make peace with the rest of the base today at CPAC . He's going to need an energized base of support.
No doubt the men Clinton was speaking of deserved a thorough "intellectual" beating :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I do have to question the premise that blacks aren't voting for him because he's black, or that women aren't voting for Hillary because she's a woman. Look at some stats from Super Duper Tuesday:
Do you really think 82 percent of blacks support Obama because of what he's done or what he stands for? Same for Hillary:Quote:
Nationally, 82 percent of blacks voted for Obama, compared to 17 percent who voted for Clinton. The margin was 85 to 14 among black men, and 80 to 18 among black women.
I can't tell you how many times I've heard from exit polls and interviews "it's time for a black president," "we've come a long way," we're breaking down barriers," "let's give a black man (or a woman) a chance" or "I connected with Hillary" after her NH show.Quote:
Similar to their behavior in the early primary states, white women once again supported Clinton by a wide margin. White women comprised 35 percent of the Democratic electorate. Fifty-nine percent of white female voters supported Clinton, compared to 35 percent who supported Obama.
White female voters were a key factor in several Clinton victories. In Massachusetts, white women comprised an enormous 50 percent of the electorate. Clinton won these voters by almost a two-to-one margin, securing 65 percent of white female voters as opposed to 34 percent for Obama. In New Jersey, white females made up 34 percent of Democratic voters. A whopping 72 percent of them supported Clinton, compared to only 27 percent for Obama
Great, I'm all for those things but I would never vote for or against a candidate because of race or gender - or in the case of the GOP, a white male, a Mormon, a Baptist preacher or just because they can beat the Democrat. It sure seems to me like a whole lot of people are doing just that with little regard for the things that really matter. All of these things can be part of the equation but shouldn't be the primary factor.
Absolutely they will turn on McCain and today is a big day for him. I can't wait to see how this pans out. And guess what, it looks like Texas will matter after all. It's just a shame we have less to choose from.
http://i25.tinypic.com/2evylit.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
NK, what exactly are we supposed to glean from that? About as much as this?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2001/20010712/2world.gif
http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagn...sh-Hillary.jpg
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Just glad you didn't post that photo of Obama and the swimmer in a hug .
Steve
McCain adviser Charlie Black explains why it is already a done deal for McCain. Adviser: McCain has it wrapped up - First Read - msnbc.com
At this point Texas can only join the bandwagon . Sorry .
Yeah, I figure as this writer says that we'll likely put McCain over the top. But we'll still matter, they'll actually campaign here now and we could be the "kingmaker." After the California results and with all those Hispanics I bet Evita gets a huge win here.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Obama did accomplish a couple of things; he cut the long-established ties between black voters and the Clintons and at the same time split the Party in half…the Clinton Democrats and the Obama Democrats.
I wonder which Democratic Party George Soros, MoveOn.Org. Michael Moore, Jimmy Carter, Hollywood celebrities, Academia, Enviro-whack-jobs, and the “hate-McCain,” Conservatives belong to. .
You don't see a difference between standing beside someone and hugging them? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by speechlesstx
DC Moveon has already endorsed Obama lol MoveOn Endorses Obama
Imagine that... and organization who's sole existence was to run interference for the Clintonoids has bolted .
Tom, I wonder if he will advertise that…what a great endorsement. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Wondergirl, I found this comment on Move on.:)
Yeah, apparently I voted three times for Obama and once for Hillary according to four emails I received from Move on. I wouldn't trust the results.
Posted by INDEP2008 02/01/2008 @ 11:57am
MoveOn's front page advertises Obama and asks for donations. Here is what it says when you click on the arrow:
"Obama for America
Donate $ to Barack Obama
Barack Obama won the endorsement of 70% of MoveOn members and the race for the Democratic nomination remains close. Clinton and Obama are likely to continue their struggle at least for another month, with critical primaries coming up in seven states in the next week. Obama says, "I'm asking you to believe. Not just in my ability to bring about real change in Washington... I'm asking you to believe in yours." Can you chip in? ($2300 limit, FEC ID# C00431445)"
A Marriage made in Heaven…both anti-wars…at any cost.:)
Here is your answer about Michael Moore
YouTube - Michael Moore: Morality Prohibits Vote for Sen. Clinton
Good video, a recommended watch. I agree with what he says. Thanks Tom.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
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