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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Actually according to some the airsoft "can" be a real gun. The ATF (us federal agency) has confiscated them on occasion because of the belief they can be converted to a "real gun". Have you thought about joining a club someday for clay / sport shooting?

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Yea id head that some kinds can me retro fitted to work as real firearms, but until it is actually done it isn't illegal. I have my licence to buy airsoft guns though, I have an L96 sniper rifle and an M4 CASV front

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Originally Posted by albear

i live in the UK, and not being a farmer or part of a group that is allowed to legally buy guns (i.e hunting groups or clay pigeon shooting) means i can't legally buy one :)

i do a bit of airsofting every now and then, but theyre not real guns :o

Looks like you have clubs there too. Even for hand gun target shooting. So at least you have some options. ;)

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Rules on gun buying in the UK

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Originally Posted by albear

yea id head that some kinds can me retro fitted to work as real firearms, but until it is actually done it isnt illegal. i have my licence to buy airsoft guns though, i have an L96 sniper rifle and an M4 CASV front

Nice!!

They make some impressive knock offs in the airsoft line of just about anything made now. Its amazing.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Looks like you have clubs there too. Even for hand gun target shooting. So atleast you have some options. ;)

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Rules on gun buying in the UK

Yep I know if I joined a club I would be able to buy one, and I have given it some though to go and have a go as it were, see how I liked it.

Just never got round to it, and didn't have the money, but that shouldn't be a problem for much longer, so maybe I could lookinto any places that do clay pigeion shooting near me.

Cheers for the link

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Nice !!!!

They make some impressive knock offs in the airsoft line of just about anything made now. Its amazing.

Yeah, my L96 is part plastic (the casing and butt) but it still weighs a fair bit :D

My M4 on the otherhand is full metal (apart from the sliding stock), and I'm told weighs close to the proper thing. This was my starter rifle after I got into airsofting and got my licence as it seemed like a good allround rifle, good range and power and could also lend its hand for CQB games

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Welcome to the thread. Its intent is to have a spot for guns as it was lacking here on AMHD. If you ever get the money you can "own" the AK and SKS but to get it through the feds its almost $2,000 per gun. There are also whats known as gun "trust" and Im thinking thats what they are covered under now with a class 3 dealer.
Im not sure what classifies someone as a gun nut. But I believe that everyone should be able to own one should they want to so long as they can pass thier local laws for no criminal record or violent behavior. Its funny how the law treats them between so many states. Like some restrictions for Mag capacity etc. Gimme a break.
Happy shooting.

I'll never have the two grand for the federal permit but my friend is a long time into his dealership and has more money than brains. He has (4)Thompson .45's (2) M-16 ,(3) Uzi's ,(2) AR-15's, several WWII Greman machine guns, an M 60 , and his pride and joy is a Quad .50 mounted on his jeep.
And that is just a short list.
But he is a well respected businessman so he is a " serious collector". If it were known I had an arsenal like that , permit or not , I'm sure a state and federal task force would be blasting tear gas through my windows post haste.

It is amazing how varied gun laws are from state to state when the Constitution is suppose to be the basis of gun ownership. Here you have to register all hand guns. Rifles don't need to be registered.
You can carry handguns as long as they are not concealed and do not have a bullet in the chamber or revolvers don't have a bullet under the hammer or in the next chamber up to fire. And if it is in a vehicle it cannot be within reach of the driver. Basic good sense and safety.
Rifles are limited to magazine capacity of no more than 30. But it is now illegal to sell or buy 30 round clips. Legal to carry as long as magazine is not locked and no bullet in the chamber.

The Constitution says we have the right to own and bear arms. No restrictions. So how do all these laws come into being without a constitutional amendment?

I would like to hear some of the local restrictions from other states and countries for comparison to our local laws. It would be helpful when traveling to know these things because I don't leave home without one or two guns. Most of the western US is similar to Utah , excluding California but I exclude California from my travels anyway.

When I hear the " Brady Bunch " screaming about Columbine and Virginia Tech , I ask "What might have happened if several people there were in possession of guns and knew how to use them?" A radical idea maybe. But in most cases by the time the police arrive the damage is done.

Go through the back issues of "American Rifleman" magazine. They publish statistics of crimes thwarted by gun owners. It works out to about four and a half times as many thwarted crimes as successful crimes involving guns.

Just remember, he has to bleed inside your house for it to be legal.

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

Go through the back issues of "American Rifleman" magazine. They publish statistics of crimes thwarted by gun owners. It works out to about four and a half times as many thwarted crimes as successful crimes involving guns.

Just remember, he has to bleed inside your house for it to be legal.

Unless a clear and present danger to you or others is shown. Then you have the right to defend yourself with "like force". Never take a knife to a gun fight. And a weapon is a knife, a club, a broken bottle, or Desert Eagle .50.

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Originally Posted by martinizing2

Unless a clear and present danger to you or others is shown. Then you have the right to defend yourself with "like force". Never take a knife to a gun fight. And a weapon is a knife, a club, a broken bottle, or Desert Eagle .50.

Ohhh, me likey the Desert Eagle! :D

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Originally Posted by martinizing2

I'll never have the two grand for the federal permit but my friend is a long time into his dealership and has more money than brains. He has (4)Thompson .45's (2) M-16 ,(3) Uzi's ,(2) AR-15's, several WWII Greman machine guns, an M 60 , and his pride and joy is a Quad .50 mounted on his jeep.
And that is just a short list.
But he is a well respected businessman so he is a " serious collector". If it were known I had an arsenal like that , permit or not , I'm sure a state and federal task force would be blasting tear gas through my windows post haste.

It is amazing how varied gun laws are from state to state when the Constitution is suppose to be the basis of gun ownership. Here you have to register all hand guns. Rifles don't need to be registered.
You can carry handguns as long as they are not concealed and do not have a bullet in the chamber or revolvers don't have a bullet under the hammer or in the next chamber up to fire. And if it is in a vehicle it cannot be within reach of the driver. Basic good sense and safety.
Rifles are limited to magazine capacity of no more than 30. But it is now illegal to sell or buy 30 round clips. Legal to carry as long as magazine is not locked and no bullet in the chamber.

Do I know you? Stop talking about me. :p

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Originally Posted by J_9

Ohhh, me likey the Desert Eagle!! :D

They do an excellent job of giving you some extreme stopping power if God forbid it becomes necessary.

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Originally Posted by martinizing2

They do an excellent job of giving you some extreme stopping power if God forbid it becomes necessary.

Ummm, yeah, I know. However, I like my .50 cal sniper rifle just as well, but it's a bit too heavy to carry.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:t...82-dvic539.jpg

Yeah, I really do have one! ;)

It almost weighs more than me. LOL

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Originally Posted by J_9

Do I know you? Stop talking about me. :p

Any similarities to any anti-over-government, bordering on anarchist , that believes in the real freedom the founding fathers intended us to have, but is constantly being infringed upon by over zealous politicians that think they know what is best for us and what they ultimately want is control over our daily lives,. persons, living or dead,. is purely coincidental.

Oh, well no, then. That's not me. Just an avid collector and hobby shooter.

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Originally Posted by J_9

Ummm, yeah, I know. However, I like my .50 cal sniper rifle just as well, but it's a bit too heavy to carry.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:t...82-dvic539.jpg

Yeah, I really do have one!! ;)

Excellent weapon. Just because a threat is a mile away , it can still be a threat. That .50 is ideal to take care of "approaching danger"

And it's fun to shoot. Even my 8 year old likes it!

If'n you hold it tight enough there is little "kick."

Okay, a bit of background since you don't know me, but the others do.

My family owned a gun shop that included an indoor range, until the present President. We ended up losing it.

So, I'm not quite the terrorist that it seems like. Hubby is a master gunsmith.

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Originally Posted by J_9

Oh, well no, then. That's not me. Just an avid collector and hobby shooter.

I could resemble a radical person like that ,if I were not just a chemically damaged leftover from the sixties , with most of my righteous rage calmed and quiet and diverted to more productive avenues .

Nice to meet you Martinizing. Time for bed for me... I got to deliver babies tonight.

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Originally Posted by J_9

Okay, a bit of background since you don't know me, but the others do.

My family owned a gun shop that included an indoor range, until the present President. We ended up losing it.

So, I'm not quite the terrorist that it seems like. Hubby is a master gunsmith.

A most noble and honorable profession ,craft and art form. True gun smithing is an art I admire.

I am sorry you lost your shop, I'll bet you have great memories surrounding a place like that.

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Originally Posted by martinizing2

A most noble and honorable profession ,craft and art form. True gun smithing is an art I admire.

I am sorry you lost your shop, I'll bet you have great memories surrounding a place like that.

We do. Thank you for your comments. He is now working from home. Makes a great house husband since I work from 7p-7a. Does a great job of taking care of the kiddos.

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Originally Posted by J_9

Nice to meet you Martinizing. Time for bed for me....I gotta deliver babies tonight.

I am pleased to meet you also. You deliver babies... another one of my greatest loves in life. I can hear my children now... DAD YOU HAVE TO PUT THEM DOWN SOMETIME!!

LMAO... I work in Labor and Delivery. I prefer to deliver them as to working in the nursery. If I work in the nursery I have a hard time giving them back to Mom. LOL

Range time today. A friend of mine and I came up with some cheap range targets. You can use a paper plate and put a dot in the middle. Those dots are cheap and so are the paper plates. I was trying out a new set of grips and they seemed to help a lot. I was able to put a smiley face on the paper plate first time around ;)
What have you others come up with for target ideas that you want to pass along.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Range time today. A friend of mine and I came up with some cheap range targets. You can use a paper plate and put a dot in the middle. Those dots are cheap and so are the paper plates. I was trying out a new set of grips and they seemed to help alot. I was able to put a smiley face on the paper plate first time around ;)
What have you others come up with for target ideas that you want to pass along.

The first time I impressed my father-in-law was the weirdest target I ever shot at. We were newly married and invited to a Barbecue at a friend of his' farm. The friend and my father-in-law had been there for a while and had bolted an axe blade to a fencepost then set a beer can on the fence on either side. They were obviously trying to do some Beverly Hillbillies but the beer cans were surviving just fine. My father-in-law handed me his Python and told me to give it a go. It took a couple of rounds to get used to the weapon, but the third shot got a ring from the axe blade. I do not know to this day if it simply shook the can off, but one did fall.

That's how I impressed my wife's father, the man who played ping-pong, solitare, with a .22 pump.

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

The first time I impressed my father-in-law was the weirdest target I ever shot at. We were newly married and invited to a Barbeque at a friend of his' farm. The friend and my father-in-law had been there for a while and had bolted an axe blade to a fencepost then set a beer can on the fence on either side. They were obviously trying to do some Beverly Hillbillies but the beer cans were surviving just fine. My father-in-law handed me his Python and told me to give it a go. It took a couple of rounds to get used to the weapon, but the third shot got a ring from the axe blade. I do not know to this day if it simply shook the can off, but one did fall.

That's how I impressed my wife's father, the man who played ping-pong, solitare, with a .22 pump.

Great story. Ive heard many stories around the axe head. Seems to be popular in some places.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

Range time today. A friend of mine and I came up with some cheap range targets. You can use a paper plate and put a dot in the middle. Those dots are cheap and so are the paper plates. I was trying out a new set of grips and they seemed to help alot. I was able to put a smiley face on the paper plate first time around ;)
What have you others come up with for target ideas that you want to pass along.

Republicans

Believe it or not, the shooting range near me has targets with pictures on it. Here are some of the pictures:

Aliens
Top 10 FBI's Most Wanted List Fugitives
Osama Bin Laden (as mentioned above)

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Hillary Clinton.

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Originally Posted by ISneezeFunny

Believe it or not, the shooting range near me has targets with pictures on it. Here are some of the pictures:

Aliens
Top 10 FBI's Most Wanted List Fugitives
Osama Bin Laden (as mentioned above)

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Hillary Clinton.

Can you bring your own pictures? They could set up a great sideline in printing out targets from your digital camera or downloading. Al Sharpton comes to mind.

V and I went to the gun shop the other day and the attendant was shoving pistols at us left right and center.
I was too scared to hold them :o

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Originally Posted by shazamataz

V and I went to the gun shop the other day and the attendant was shoving pistols at us left right and center.
I was too scared to hold them :o

A pistol is a tool, just like hair clippers, or a hammer, or photoshop software. I can use three of those four, and yes, since I don't know how to use it the fourth one frightens me a little.

I can learn, however.

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

A pistol is a tool, just like hair clippers, or a hammer, or photoshop software. I can use three of those four, and yes, since I don't know how to use it the fourth one frightens me a little.

I can learn, however.

Question.. which is best... a .41 Rutger Red Hawl or a Colt .45 auto?

I'm a huge fan of autos... especially a .45.

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Originally Posted by ISneezeFunny

I'm a huge fan of autos...especially a .45.

We have a lot of guns. My little lady smith is just right for me. My husband likes a colt .45 I just like any kind of revolver.

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Originally Posted by Kitkat22

Question..which is best...a .41 Rutger Red Hawl or a Colt .45 auto?

Both have their merits. . 45 ammo is easier to find. As I have said before, I'm a revolver fan myself.

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Originally Posted by Catsmine

Both have their merits. .45 ammo is easier to find. As I have said before, I'm a revolver fan myself.

.22. Pistol. It's old but still works really well.

Blame it on the movies and games... although revolvers are VERY user friendly, never jams, never stovepipes, etc. I could never get over the six shots. Granted, I'll never be in a firefight where I need more than 6 rounds (I hope), but I always liked having the insurance of 12+1 rounds...

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Originally Posted by ISneezeFunny

Blame it on the movies and games...although revolvers are VERY user friendly, never jams, never stovepipes, etc., I could never get over the six shots. Granted, I'll never be in a firefight where I need more than 6 rounds (I hope), but I always liked having the insurance of 12+1 rounds...

Hey, I've watched westerns (old ones) where they shoot a six gun 400 times without reloading. One of those would be nice! Sneezy and Cats you all are too young to remember Gene Autry... Roy Rogers. I was about five but I can remember.

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Originally Posted by Kitkat22

Hey, I've watched westerns (old ones) where they shoot a six gun 400 times without reloading. One of those would be nice! Sneezy and Cats you all are too young to remember Gene Autry...Roy Rogers. I was about five but I can remember.

I'm old enough to have been horrified the first time Roy stuffed Trigger.

Sneezy, one of my favorite authors wrote, "Get a shot off fast. You may not hit anything but it will give you enough time to make your second shot perfect." (italics his)