So two people share this same writing style - ?

Amazing - thanks for the correction.

Excuse me. What would be the point of that. You know nothing about me. I have already posted against some of dronits points.

I assure you that I am one person most of the time only suffer from multiple personalitys.

That was a joke.

Stick on topic

Thank you, you are correct

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Agreed the NHS in the UK surports drug users. There is a good system that if you admit to your doctor you have drug problems they can refer you to counciling and offer suport to come off adictive substances. In the UK you can be perscibed subutex (buprenorphine) for coming off heroin. It is much better then the methodone option which is much harder to come off and has a higher toxic level then heroin, it's also just as adictive. Either of these options you can take for free from the NHS if you don't work, or are on any other benefit.

In The US subutex is very expencive to everyone, methodone plan isn't free either which makes it obvious why people can't come off it. Not as much surport

CAnabis is legal in some staes if you get a perscription. The other states should follow suit... I hope.

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I would be interested to see how this support in the UK and other countries affects the overall presence of drug culture/crime in those countries? We ought to look at it if we're going to argue to bring those practices to the states.

I'm certainly not disagreeing with you, because I think that we need health resources here (USA) for drug addicts rather than tossing them in jail where it does them and society no good.

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There is some information in the table at the bottom of this document.
Don't understand what it means about the % use in the Netherlands though.

http://www.publications.parliament.u...031/103105.htm

Quoteing southamerica 'I would be interested to see how this support in the UK and other countries affects the overall presence of drug culture/crime in those countries? We ought to look at it if we're going to argue to bring those practices to the states.

The drug use still goes on, but you have the option to seek help to stop for free and many do.

Also a user would not go to jail if arrested, the courts may force them to do a 'DRO' which is a drug rehabilitation order. In this order you are sent to counselling and a doctor. To try and help. This order would only put in place if you were addicted to something like heroin, crack etc.

Drugs like MDMA, LSD, canabis, the police will only confiscate if you get arrested and given a warning.

Dealing drugs they take more seriously but if you are an addict and that's while you are selling them you would get a lighter punishment.

MDMA, LSD, canabis, ketermin - don't create any crime like robbery or mugging because they are not addictive substances.

I think if you give support to drug users the drug related crimes would be less, because most drug users only rob when desperate.

When I was a drug addict over 7 years ago I did not steal or rob, when it got to the point I could not afford my addiction I sought help went on the 'subutex' program and reduced over a period of about 1 year. Then I was clean off every thing. The NHS (national health service) saved my life and I am thankful we have this system.

I hope in the future you get this service in the US

Classification Drugs Maximum penalties
Class A Heroin, LSD, ecstasy, amphetamines (prepared for injection), cocaine and crack cocaine, magic mushrooms. For possession: 7 years' imprisonment and/or fine.
For supply: life imprisonment and/or fine.

Class B Amphetamines, methylamphetamine, barbiturates, codeine. For possession: 5 years' imprisonment and/or fine.
For supply: 14 years' imprisonment and/or a fine.

Class C Cannabis, temazepam, anabolic steroids, valium, ketamine, methylphenidate (Ritalin), gamma-hydroxy butyrate (GHB). For possession: 2 years' imprisonment and/or fine.
For supply: 14 years' imprisonment and/or fine.

Although that is what the guide lines say the judges do make the distinction between MDMA, LSD, MUSHROOMS compared with heroin and crack/ coke. Also the prison times they can give you that but no one ever goes down for that long. That is the maximum sentence but judges are using DRO (Drug rehabilitation order) and community service in most cases.

It is very unlikely you go to prison with possetion of any thing, it's also unlikely you would even go to court. The police would probably just give you a warning.

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Hello geesuzz:

You had me up to there.. That's just dead wrong - DEAD WRONG! The cops are NOT nice people. Jails and prisons are FULL of drug USERS - absolutely overflowing!

excon

I don't believe all police are bad, there are some bad ones.

Now in the UK the prisons are full so they are not putting drug users in jail, unless they do other crimes like robbery.


As this is an anominous web page I will tell you my true dealings with the police.

I was a heroin addict but ask for help from my doctor, got on the 'subutex program' which lasted about 1 year
And now I am clean.

The thing is I was into lots of other drugs at partys, LSD, Ketermin, MDMA, Weed, 2CB, DMT,
I was stop and searched for being clearly on drugs and they found enough to arrest me and raid my house

I was aressted for 4 counts of posestion of a class A substance
1 count of a class be drug (the weed)
1 count of a class c substance (ketermin) surprisingly, who would thing its less harmful then weed??

I got police bail and a few court aperances and I got 'DRR order' (a drug test once a week) and comunitie service.

The best thing was they only really tested for heroin and crack which I was already off.

But the police during my arrests didn't seem to bad.

Its because the prisons are over filled so you are less likely to get sent down for drugs.#

I'm up for all drugs being legal.

Don't forget I was talking about the UK not the US

I hope no one judges me for my past

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C'mon, let's stop punishing the users for poor site design; it's not their fault.

I say "not his/her fault" the first round. After that I figure the OP can't figure out how AMHD works - or doesn't care - or needs to hear a reason ("Why?").

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Greenie!

Why? Because you've been asked repeatedly not to. That should be reason enough!

I agree that it's not the users fault that the comment feature is available, but he's been asked to stop using it. Why shouldn't matter.

On June 21, 2011 the US government (via the DEA and citing the opinion of the Department of Health and Human Serives (DHHS), denied a petition to reschedule marijuana to a less restrictive category. DHHS stated that marijuana “has no accepted medical use in the United States...” [petition was filed October 2002]

However, the US government, via this same agency DHHS holds a patent on cannabinoids (Patent 6630507 Issued on October 7, 2003) wherein the very same agency states:

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This new found property makes cannabinoids useful in the treatment and prophylaxis of wide variety of oxidation associated diseases, such as ischemic, age-related, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. The cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants, for example in limiting neurological damage following ischemic insults, such as stroke and trauma, or in the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer's disease...

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Why would your federal government make polar opposite statements in officially filed documents?

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Why would your federal government make polar opposite statements in officially filed documents?

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Hello Doc:

I could make a stab at it. Obama hopes the move to the right will insure his re-election. That's more important than righting a long standing wrong.

Here in Washington, we were on the verge of passing historic legislation that would finally make the distribution of Medical Cannabis orderly. The governor, upon being WARNED by the US Attorney that state employees would be in danger of ARREST IF the law was signed, of course, VETOED it.

That was OBAMA'S DHHS, and it's OBAMA'S US attorney.

Does the blatant hypocrisy you point out make a difference? Nahhhh. Can't be soft on drugs, you know.

excon

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Hello Doc:

I could make a stab at it. Obama hopes the move to the right will insure his re-election. That's more important than righting a long standing wrong.

Here in Washington, we were on the verge of passing historic legislation that would finally make the distribution of Medical Cannabis orderly. The governor, upon being WARNED by the US Attorney that state employees would be in danger of ARREST IF the law was signed, of course, VETOED it.

That was OBAMA'S DHHS, and it's OBAMA'S US attorney.

Does the blatant hypocrisy you point out make a difference? Nahhhh. Can't be soft on drugs, you know.

excon

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I think the outcome would be the same no matter who the US Attorney or President happens to be.

The lies and hypocrisy have been a part of US government policy since the early 1900's when the lies , laws ,and legislation got under way in regards to drugs.

Originally the laws were designed and implemented to make it easier to arrest , convict, and "keep the blacks and mexicans under the governments thumb" since they thought the blacks and mexicans were responsible for bringing it into the US and distributing it.

Those laws that are still being enforced and "enhanced" were never designed to control or abate drugs or their use. They are designed to control people and have worked as well as outlawing alcohol did but on a scale that has put so much money and power into the hands of the criminals , cartels, and gangs they are better funded, organized and armed than any of the agencies trying to stop them.

It is probably the smugglers and cartels working to keep drugs illegal .

What would they have to sell if it were legalized that could even come close to the revenue they are bringing in now?

Nothing.

Comparing UK drug laws with the US laws.

Basically The UK is very small but with high population, were as in the US there is plenty of room for prisons. UK prisons are over filled so drug crime makes it less likely to be a prison sentence.

But were ever you live there will always be a percentage that take drugs, I think it is wrong to criminalise a group of people who take different drugs to the ones that are legal.

LSD and MDMA for example is less addictive and less toxic then alcohol

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Alcohol was iliogal in the 1930's in the US, proabition was deemed a bad idear as the trade of alcohol went to the black market and was run by gangsters.

Is drugs being illigal like proabition. Some people decide to take drugs but if they were legal there could be controle over quality.

Or do you think it would be worse for sociatey?

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Let's put it this way, making things illegal doesn't seem to stop the problem, in fact it makes it worse, so we haven't tried making drugs legal or at least decriminalising personal use. The government could find an immediate solution to it's cash flow problems by nationalising distribution of drugs

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Let's put it this way, making things illegal doesn't seem to stop the problem, in fact it makes it worse, so we haven't tried making drugs legal or at least decriminalising personal use. The government could find an immediate solution to it's cash flow problems by nationalising distribution of drugs

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China had a VERY effective solution to ramant Opium use... of course it was rather draconian and extreme... but damned effective.