Just like any potentially addictive substance or act, it needs to be used, or viewed in moderation.

I truly feel that GOD's greatest creation was woman. From head to toe.

Ever since I found my Daddy's old Playboys in the attic, I have been a big fan of the female form. But now, at this stage of my life, I only have eyes for one, the mother of my children. And before the boys were born, she would renew my subscription to Playboy. Tasteful pornography is not a problem for us.

However, here is a quote to ponder:

". . . I've met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence just like me. And without exception, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography . . . "


Ted Bundy in an interview with Dr. James Dobson shortly before his execution.

One problem with modern Playboy centerfolds is that they are now skinny and unnatural looking. Look at old copies from the 50s to the 70s and the women looked very beautiful and natural, but by the late 90s, they looked like barbie dolls, only with more plastic, fake tan, tattoos, etc. I can see why hardly anyone reads it anymore. The articles have also gone downhill. (Yes people did read the articles believe it or not!)

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One problem with modern Playboy centerfolds is that they are now skinny and unnatural looking. Look at old copies from the 50s to the 70s and the women looked very beautiful and natural, but by the late 90s, they looked like barbie dolls, only with more plastic, fake tan, tattoos, etc. I can see why hardly anyone reads it anymore. The articles have also gone downhill. (Yes people did read the articles believe it or not!)

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Haha they old "I only buy it for the articles" excuse ;)

Nah, my partner buys them on occasion, we have fun going through and picking the fake boobs out and picking our 'favourite' girl on each page...
The articles used to be good but as you said, even they aren't worth the read anymore, I don't think we have actually bought one for about 6 months, he used to get the old ones for free because he worked next to a newsagency.

But presumably Playboy is giving its readers what they want. So I think you have to ask why other men want that?

I just read the Linda Lovelace entry at Wikipedia. What an awful life she had. I see lots of efforts to discredit her, and I think anyone subjected to so much brutality and pain (psychic and physical) is bound to be an imperfect person given to deviousness and occasional lies (a survival skill), but I think the overall picture of total humiliation, degradation, and abuse by her pornographer husband is inescapable.

I believe that most successful pornography fosters the idea that men are entitled to have women and to take women with some degree of force if they are not willing and that women enjoy degradation, so it's "okay."

I have always been puzzled by the whole concept of the rape fantasy. I have the feeling that (some) men fantasize about raping women a lot more than women fantasize about being raped and that when women do have such fantasies, they are pretty tame compared to what men have in mind. I have never had any desire to be raped. And the times men have attempted it or coerced me in some fashion, I felt awful, just awful. I felt betrayed.

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The articles used to be good but as you said, even they aren't worth the read anymore,..

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I am guessing this is a market problem. They may have lost circulation due to pornography on the internet, which means less ad revenue, which means less ability to hire good writers. I'm just surmising, but I know a little about the magazine business.

I read somewhere that 80% of the pornography industry is owned by organized crime. Is that true?

Hmm, this is interesting.. organised crime linked to porn :rolleyes:

I don't know, but I have read an article about employee misconduct in a tax thingy, and they were accessing porn from their governmental computers. According to that article (Washington times), one senior executive spent at least 331 days looking at porn and chatting online with nude or partially clad women without being detected.

I got that from a post of speechless, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-agency/print/

The rape fantasy is a common one among both men and women. I've never had that fantasy, probably because I lived the reality.

Porn is so easily accessible now, it wasn't back in the 50's, 60's, 70's, even the 80's and part of the 90's. Now you just have to type in a few words on Google and the sky's the limit. I would imagine that this would have a big impact on magazine and movie sales. It only makes sense, why pay if you can get it for free?

The scary thing is that the internet isn't regulated well enough. There is really no limit to what you can find. Child porn, hard core porn, videos of rape. It's a scary world and we're allowing it into our homes just by having internet access.

The regular porn, magazines, videos at the video store, although cheesy, they are mainstream and regulated. They go under scrutiny before being released to the public. The porn on the internet doesn't.

I think this is why we have so many people asking about porn and porn addiction, because we've made porn too available.

I posted this to another thread, but it seems relevant here, in terms of my question about organized crime.

Local News | Feds say prostitution rampant at strip clubs | Seattle Times Newspaper

Alty, are there surveys that show that a lot of women enjoy rape fantasies? I accept that some do. But I'm questioning whether there's actually good evidence that it's mainstream.

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I know it's a common fantasy, but mainstream, I'm not sure. I haven't seen any surveys, I'm just going by my friends, some of the posters on this site etc.

One thing that I find interesting when talking to people that do have this fantasy,there is one common theme. Although they're being raped, they are still in complete control of the situation.

Fantasy is fine, whatever floats your boat, but the reality of rape, I don't think many people understand it, unless they've lived through it.

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I find this hard to believe... :eek:

Thanks for the link asking! I'll check it soon.

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I find this hard to believe... :eek:

Thanks for the link asking! I'll check it soon.

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That's their fantasy Unky, not the reality.

No one in their right mind would fantasize about an actual rape. Even a woman that hasn't been raped has some idea about what's involved.

The fantasy rape doesn't resemble a real rape. Most times it's just a man (always attractive, strong, a stranger) comes into your home and demands sex. You want to resist but you're also turned on. He rapes you but, in the fantasy you always have control. At least that's the common theme among the people I've talked to. Like I said, I don't have this particular fantasy, because I've experienced the reality of rape.

Ah, thanks for the 'enlightenment'. :)

I see that you're not as 'empty headed' as you said you are, but more like full of knowledge, fun and niceness ;). I know I know, don't look at me like that, I won't say it to anybody!

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Me, too. I don't get what that means. If they are "in control," how is it rape? Do they just mean an aggressive and enthusiastic male but the woman consents completely? That's not rape; that's fun!

I agree that it sounds like they don't really know what rape is...

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Me, too. I don't get what that means. If they are "in control," how is it rape? Do they just mean an aggressive and enthusiastic male but the woman consents completely? That's not rape; that's fun!

I agree that it sounds like they don't really know what rape is...

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It's a rape fantasy, and because it's fantasy you are in control.

You're right, it's not really rape, not in the real sense of the word. It's a romantic version of rape, if there is such a thing.

It's not something I fantasize about so I really can't describe it, I can only tell you all what my friends that do have this fantasy say about it.

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Ah, thanks for the 'enlightenment'. :)

I see that you're not as 'empty headed' as you said you are, but more like full of knowledge, fun and niceness ;). I know I know, don't look at me like that, I won't say it to anybody!

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Empty headed? :confused: :eek:

I'm full of something, maybe it's knowledge. ;)

Now shhhh, don't tell anyone, it's our secret.

Alty, I didn't see your post explaining before I posted. I see better what they have in mind. Yeah, it is pretty far from a real rape. "They want to resist" sounds like they feel they should resist, which is pretty different. ;)

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Alty, I didn't see your post explaining before I posted. I see better what they have in mind. Yeah, it is pretty far from a real rape. "They want to resist" sounds like they feel they should resist, which is pretty different. ;)

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Exactly. It's a rape in the fact that it's a stranger, he's barging in, he's forcing himself on you but you're thrilled, know you should resist but you don't want to.

It's very far from an actual rape but it's still considered a rape fantasy.

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Empty headed? :confused: :eek:

I'm full of something, maybe it's knowledge. ;)

Now shhhh, don't tell anyone, it's our secret.

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Yes, well, you said it in another way:

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I've come to the conclusion that I know nothing, or very little anyway. ;)

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From social groups ;)

Back in a few!

AHHH! Unky, are you stalking me? ;)

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It's very far from an actual rape but it's still considered a rape fantasy.

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I think it's important to make that distinction. It's easy for some men to justify rape (or at least considering or condoning it) because they think "women secretly want it."

(I wish you had not been raped. :()