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  • Feb 6, 2010, 08:48 PM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nikosmom View Post
    So many things I could say here but alas, it's not the proper thread...;)

    Go ahead
  • Feb 6, 2010, 08:58 PM
    Alty

    Here's a link to one of the shows that had puppies as prizes.

    YouTube - Toddlers and Tiaras Kings and Queens of America Part 1
  • Feb 6, 2010, 09:29 PM
    artlady
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Altenweg View Post
    Binky dear. :)

    I have what I call my "bunny binky room:

    Attachment 28953

    They spend a few hours a day hopping around, nibbling on the carpet (which is theirs) and binkying around.

    Yes, they. I have four bunnies. The reason they have the bunny binky room is because of my 3 dogs, a lab, border collie and beagle. Two hunters and one herder. ;)

    That is so nice! You are a good Mama! :D Most rabbits just jump around and poo .BTW why does the poo look like their feed?
  • Feb 6, 2010, 09:38 PM
    friend4u178
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by artlady View Post
    Most rabbits just jump around and poo .BTW why does the poo look like their feed?

    See now there's a good question :cool:

    That's why we Lub you artsy :)
  • Feb 6, 2010, 09:43 PM
    nikosmom
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by artlady View Post
    BTW why does the poo look like their feed?

    I too have wondered this... :confused:
  • Feb 6, 2010, 09:57 PM
    artlady

    In a perfect world it would be recycling :)
  • Feb 7, 2010, 03:53 AM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by artlady View Post
    In a perfect world it would be recycling :)

    We should send wabbits on the long space trips, like to Mars and Pluto. Bugs, watch out! You may get to meet Marvin for real.
  • Feb 7, 2010, 06:24 AM
    shazamataz

    Because bunnies eat their own poo ;)
    Yep, they digest it twice.
  • Feb 7, 2010, 07:30 AM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shazamataz View Post
    Because bunnies eat their own poo ;)
    Yep, they digest it twice.

    Perfect!

    New Mel Brooks movie: Bunnies to the Stars!

    By the time they get there and back, the radio says "Err, What's up, Doc?"
  • Feb 7, 2010, 12:44 PM
    Alty
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shazamataz View Post
    Because bunnies eat their own poo ;)
    Yep, they digest it twice.

    It's actually very healthy, not only for them. Our dog (when I was younger) used to follow our rabbit around eating it's poo. I was disgusted! We mentioned it to our vet and he told us that it's actually very healthy, the it will help the dog with his digestion as well.
  • Feb 8, 2010, 02:05 AM
    shazamataz

    Brody absolutely LOVES bunny poo.
    If I clean out Doras cage and forget to put the bag in the bin you can guarantee there will be poo and kitty litter all through the house :rolleyes:
  • Feb 8, 2010, 06:39 PM
    earl237

    This is a serious and overlooked problem. Owning a pet should be something that is planned and giving pets as prizes can lead to neglect and animals ending up in shelters. This practice should be banned, I would suggest sending letters to local government if this is going on where you live.
  • Feb 8, 2010, 11:12 PM
    Alty
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by earl237 View Post
    This is a serious and overlooked problem. Owning a pet should be something that is planned and giving pets as prizes can lead to neglect and animals ending up in shelters. This practice should be banned, I would suggest sending letters to local government if this is going on where you live.

    It's a US show, I'm not in the US. Still, I don't think it's right, and I will be writing an email to the producers of the show and see where that leads.

    I agree Earl, this is a really bad idea, for many reasons. The only ones suffering here are the dogs.
  • Feb 9, 2010, 04:40 PM
    shazamataz

    Do it Alty, just like I did with that breeder.
    You might not get anywhere but it makes you feel a heck of a lot better knowing you tried.
  • Feb 9, 2010, 05:04 PM
    thisisit

    You can send your complaints about Toddlers and Tiaras on TLC giving away puppies to pageant winners here: http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations

    OR

    Discovery Communications
    Viewer Relations
    One Discovery Place
    5th Floor
    Silver Spring, MD 20910
  • Feb 9, 2010, 06:53 PM
    shazamataz

    I tried but it just keeps saying 'invalid e-mail address' even though it's my proper one.
  • Feb 9, 2010, 08:08 PM
    thisisit

    Drats, I hope you can try again. It allowed me to submit my complaint. Do you have an alternate email address? I had to fill out several questions about the program before I got to the final page where I was able to type in and submit my complaint.
  • Feb 10, 2010, 03:58 AM
    shazamataz

    I'll set up a gmail account and try that way... maybe it just doesn't like hotmail.
    I'll definitely do it though.
  • Feb 10, 2010, 09:26 AM
    Alty
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thisisit View Post
    Drats, I hope you can try again. It allowed me to submit my complaint. Do you have an alternate email address? I had to fill out several questions about the program before I got to the final page where I was able to type in and submit my complaint.

    Thanks for the link Thisisit. I'll definitely submit my complaint. :)
  • Feb 10, 2010, 12:26 PM
    thisisit

    You're welcome. I hope more people submit complaints. Giving away puppies (or any other live animal) to pageant winners is just plain wrong. You can't take home a puppy and keep it on a shelf or in a show case.
  • Feb 15, 2010, 07:35 AM
    JudyKayTee

    I'm coming into this late so I don't know what happened prior to today (with the exception of a few posts) BUT this is against the Law in NY - I was one of the people who very actively campaigned to stop the practice of animals as prizes anywhere, any time - and that includes rabbits at fairs and carnivals.

    Write your State Legislators or, in Canada, your rep.

    Arrests ARE made in NY when the law is broken.
  • Feb 15, 2010, 07:57 AM
    thisisit

    This is happening in the USA Judy. The show is Toddlers & Tiaras, by the network TLC.
  • Feb 15, 2010, 10:03 AM
    JudyKayTee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thisisit View Post
    This is happening in the USA Judy. The show is Toddlers & Tiaras, by the network TLC.


    I realize it's in the US - I was simply stating what the law in NY is and suggesting that anyone who objects to animals as prizes write to their Legislators and insist that a law be passed banning the practice OR that the existing law (if there is an existing law) be enforced.

    Live animals as prizes are not limited to TLC shows - I protested the practice at fairs, fund raisers and so forth. A gun raffle was recently shut down where I live because they were auctioning off a hunting dog - and the State Police arrived.
  • Feb 15, 2010, 01:23 PM
    thisisit

    Good idea Judy!

    For anyone wanting to contact their elected officials, here is a link:

    Contact Elected Officials: USA.gov
  • Feb 15, 2010, 01:30 PM
    Alty

    Great idea Judy. Not one that's available to me, but still, great idea. I doubt the US government would care what a Canadian has to say. I will write though, who knows? ;)

    I'm just appalled that this is going on. These are living breathing beings and to give them away as prizes is wrong. A dog is a very personal choice, not something to be entered into lightly and not something that should be foisted on anyone.

    This is not the only time I've seen this being done on that show. It's shocking. The thing that bothers me most is that I know for a fact that no breeder would offer puppies as prizes. These puppies are most likely puppy mill pups or from a backyard breeder, two practices which I'm also trying to put an end to.

    There's so many things wrong with this. It makes me so mad and sad. Only the puppies will suffer. It's not right. :(
  • Feb 15, 2010, 03:24 PM
    JudyKayTee

    Alty, if you re-read what I posted I did suggest that Canadians (eh?) write their reps - I wasn't referring only to Canadians.
  • Feb 15, 2010, 04:03 PM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Altenweg View Post

    This is not the only time I've seen this being done on that show. It's shocking. The thing that bothers me most is that I know for a fact that no breeder would offer puppies as prizes. These puppies are most likely puppy mill pups or from a backyard breeder, :(

    Likely they're some sort of advertising comp from a big chain pet store. That's how most TV prizes are acquired, I'm given to understand.
  • Feb 18, 2010, 07:16 AM
    Aurora_Bell

    I haven't read all the posts, so this may have already been brought up, but did you see the kids with the FAKE teeth, and padded bra's? Like these kids are 7!
    Sorry had to rant!
    I also am with you on the puppy prize, I am shaking my head thinking of all the puppies out there that are going to be given away again or dropped of at the shelter because the parents are too bust making there CHILDREN look like play boy bunny's. What happened to kids being kids? Making mud pies? Forts? Barbies and dolls, and easy bake ovens? Am I really that old that I am appalled at the idea of letting a 6 year old wear purple eyeshawdow, fake lashes, fake tans, high heals string bikinis, and fake hair?
    Sorry I know I am ranting about the pagents them sleves, but it's all disgusting. And I also agree that it promotes an un healty point of view on self image. I hope you can contact these pagent people, sadly I don't think that it will do anything, but if there's anything I can do, let me know!
  • Feb 19, 2010, 06:01 AM
    Aurora_Bell
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shazamataz View Post
    Because bunnies eat their own poo ;)
    Yep, they digest it twice.



    Really??
  • Feb 19, 2010, 08:08 AM
    JudyKayTee

    Info I didn't need first thing in the AM - blech!
  • Feb 19, 2010, 02:48 PM
    Alty
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell View Post
    I haven't read all the posts, so this may have already been brought up, but did you see the kids with the FAKE teeth, and padded bra's?? Like these kids are 7!!
    Sorry had to rant!
    I also am with you on the puppy prize, I am shaking my head thinking of all the puppies out there that are going to be given away again or dropped of at the shelter becasue the parents are too bust making there CHILDREN look like play boy bunny's. What happend to kids being kids? making mud pies? forts? barbies and dolls, and easy bake ovens?? Am I really that old that I am appalled at the idea of letting a 6 year old wear purple eyeshawdow, fake lashes, fake tans, high heals string bikinis, and fake hair?
    Sorry i know I am ranting about the pagents them sleves, but it's all disgusting. And I also agree that it promotes an un healty point of view on self image. I hope you can contact these pagent people, sadly I don't think that it will do anything, but if there's anything I can do, let me know!

    I'm with you Aurora. In fact I started a thread about pageants a while back. No one was interested in a discussion, so it died a slow painful death.
  • Feb 19, 2010, 02:48 PM
    Alty
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JudyKayTee View Post
    Info I didn't need first thing in the AM - blech!

    LMAO! Truth is always stranger then fiction, and grosser. ;)
  • Feb 21, 2010, 03:43 PM
    earl237

    I also find these pageants for young girls very creepy. When I was a kid, we acted our age. Even well into high school, our lives outside of school were mostly about baseball, video games, heavy metal and Saved By The Bell on Saturday mornings, that must make me sound old but I liked those days better.
  • Feb 21, 2010, 03:49 PM
    Catsmine
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by earl237 View Post
    Saved By The Bell on Saturday mornings, that must make me sound old

    It's official, I'm a freakin' Stegosaur. Saturday Mornings were Astro Boy and Space Ghost.
  • Feb 21, 2010, 04:00 PM
    shazamataz

    Saved by the Bell, Alf, Mr. Squiggle... all the good shows.

    ASTRO BOY!
    You're not a Stegosaur Cats, you're just awesome... you watch astro boy :D
  • Feb 21, 2010, 06:09 PM
    Fr_Chuck

    I thought I was going to get beat the other day, I was at a major hotel and they had just finished a pagent I guess, a bunch of 5 to 12 year olds dressed like street walkers in my opinion. I was asked by one lady ( guess bragging about her child) what I thought, and I told her exactly what I thought, that it was shameful and I was sorry she could not be charged with child abuse, well guess that's why I should just answer online.

    But here where I live it is illegal to give dogs or cats as prizes at all.
    ** does not list gold fish but it should also.
  • Feb 21, 2010, 06:21 PM
    Aurora_Bell

    It really is sad to see those girls dressed the way they do. Luckily inmy town we do not have pagents of any kind. Opps wait, we have the miss pumpkin patch, which is not based on looks at all, but how well you grew a pumpkin. They have mr. pumpkin patch as well, but no one particiapates. But they do a lot with the 4h. For the boys. I think those gold fish that they give away at fairs is cruel as well Fr_Chuck, although I would rather see those feeder fish go the bunnies they used to give away. One year, (I was still very young) I remember they were giving away budgie birds as prizes. I remember a bunch of kids trying to set them free, but I think their wings were clipped.
    I refuse to bring my daughter to the circus's they hold. It really pains me to think of those animals lives. I will not support things like that!
  • Feb 21, 2010, 06:33 PM
    Fr_Chuck

    Well I hate those fish for another reason, two years ago my son won one, in a pastlic bag, so off to the pet store and a tank, gravel, filter, food and more latter ( about 100 dollars) that free fish was costly.

    And now of course it has grown ( my fault at guess) now it is a 50 gallon tank, many fish, plants and a giant filter. ** I did get a beta fish that I had always wanted and it is sitting by me right now in the old small tank.
  • Feb 21, 2010, 06:44 PM
    Aurora_Bell

    Did you see my picture of Gordon? In the members pets page? That was a .58 cent feeder gold fish.
  • Feb 21, 2010, 07:32 PM
    Alty

    I have a 27 cent feeder fish that the pet store promised me wouldn't live more then 2 weeks. Five years later he's been through 3 tank changes and he's still growing.

    He'll outlive all of us.

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