Hello, I am canadian and I would like to say do not be hard on people with accents I call my internet company here in canada and I have the same problem with people who their first language is english, some they do not fix your problem or leave you on hold or say they going to call back to check on something to fix the problem and never call and all these tech support are canadian, I think this is kind of racism to go off more on the person who has an accent because some people just when they hear somebody with an accent they just feel irritated and that is why they go off easily on them, and these people do not take north americans jobs they are in the third world and the big companies exploit them to make more money and pay them practically nothing. My phone line company the people who answer most of them are indians when I have a problem a guy with an accent answer the phone just I get more frustrated and I am ashamed of that (though he was nice and fixed my problem and he was very calm in spite me sounding so mad) and I think this the problem and I am trying to change that and I will.and I guess every body should acknowledge that and try to be an understanding human beings, bad services could be found every where but do not blame it on the accent

Needkarma,

There may be a website that is dedicated to australians being rude to indian tech support but what are you insinuating here?

We are more racist than other countries.

Don't put us in that boat.

I'm sure we could find plenty of example out there of canadians racisit attitudes as well.

Sorry, little off topic but I don't think it was necessary to bring somehting like that up with the initial post!

Australia is a very multi cultural country and the MAJORITY of us are very accepting people and love our multi culturalism.

We just hate being pestered by sales people on the phone!

I think it is funny ( funny strange or sad not funny haha), how so many people will be racist about a race, and then claim it's because they are all racist. The thing is, when people call and are already frustrated, and then it is either hard to understand or your problme is getting fixed, it just begets more anger. True some Americans are racist, just like some europeans, austrailians, middle easterns etc are racist. Anytime you assume that all of any type of culture are one way, and you lump people into groups you risk being prejudice or rascist.
Rascist is thinking you are above a certain group/race.
Prejudice is thiniking certain untrue things are true based on stereotypes or other common misleading facts or assumptions.
And other times
For this indian guy... really it has nothing to do with your accent or that your indian, someitmes people are just rude regardless where you are from.
I have had Indian people be incredibly rude to me, especially males do I assume all indians are racist or all indian males are sexiest pigs no.
But if however this guy has only dealt with stupid ignorant americans then maybe that is why he would come to that conclusion. Anyway I hope this guy can realize that by him being racist too won't fix any of the problems.

That should have been problem is not getting fixed...

I feel sorry for any one who has a job where they have to put up with all kinds of attitudes and rudeness and anger. Not a good work environment. Sounds like the job I had for 30 years, no wonder I don't like anybody.

貴社ますますご盛栄のこととお喜び申し上げます。平素は格別のお引き立てをいただき、厚く御礼申し上げます 。

In japanese the statement means hello for the month of aug and how are you and how much you are appreciated... If all business could run this polite. Then threads like this one would not be necessary...

There are racists in every country-true. But there are more racists in some countries than in others.

That's because some countries are bigger than other countries... so yea big countries like europe and america and asia will proabbly have more racist then smaller countries because of the numbers invovled... though really if you mean percentile. I unno maybe the middle east is just trainded to hate us?? So they put them in crummy jobs where people are gone say stupid crap to prove to them that americans are stupid and we all deserve o die?? **goes conspiracy theory**

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thats because some countries are bigger than other countries...so yea big countries like europe and america adn asia will proabbly have more racist then smaller countires because of the numbers invovled...though really if you mean percentile. i unno maybe the middle east is just trainded to hate us??? so they put them in crummy jobs where ppl are gone say stupid crap to prove to them that americans are stupid and we all deserve o die???? **goes conspiracy theory**

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You are 100% correct. People are trained to hate. Sadly the training begins in the home where the parents pass on their negative opinions to their children who eventually pass it on to theirs. A country's historically -influenced culture determines its type and amount of racism.

BTW
Europe and Asia are continents.

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I think it is funny ( funny strange or sad not funny haha), how so many people will be racist about a race, and then claim it's because they are all racist. The thing is, when people call and are already frustrated, and then it is either hard to understand or your problme is getting fixed, it just begets more anger. True some Americans are racist, just like some europeans, austrailians, middle easterns etc are racist. anytime you asume that all of any type of culture are one way, and you lump people into groups you risk being prejudice or rascist.
rascist is thinking you are above a certain group/race.
prejudice is thiniking certain untrue things are true based on stereotypes or other common misleading facts or assumptions.
and other times
for this indian guy....really it has nothing to do with your accent or that yoru indian, someitmes people are just rude regardless where you are from.
i have had Indian people be incredibly rude to me, especially males do I assume all indians are racist or all indian males are sexiest pigs no.
but if however this guy has only dealt with stupid ignorant americans then maybe that is why he would come to that conclusion. anyways I hope this guy can realize that by him being racist too won't fix any of the problems.

that should have been problem is not getting fixed...

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All right,
I think Im through with this one ,probably because Im tired of receiving e-mail alerts because of this thread every time I open my mailbox,and strange enough no Indian has commented on this post!

First and foremost I want apologize if I have hurt someone by posting this thread.Im not the kind of person who likes to harbour feelings of hatred regarding a particular caste.
My intention of posting was to throw light on the fact - that there are such people , and this is exactly the kind of language they use -and it is not a once in a blue moon kind of situation.So much so that the tech support executive literally feels threatened -emotionally black-mailed!
Every single thing mentioned in this post is nothing but the truth.I haven't lied about anything so how can someone even point a finger at me ?

And what's this whole thing about me sounding racist ?Even if I did sound like a racist t then I just have one simple question - Who sowed that seed of racism in my mind ? - It is people who represented your country right ? People from your country right !- because I was not always like this ,What caused to me to get so bitter -so anti american ?

Anyway I don't want to comment more on this issue. Because every time those painful memories flash in my mind ,it brings nothing but tears to my eyes.I have experienced female tech support executives in India literally crying on certain calls .Either ways in my opinion its not a good idea to have outsourced -tech support centres ,especially in India.

True there are racists in every country , but no one is taught to be a racist.
I personally don't think so.
If people in the Middle East harbour feelings of hatred for americans - then it is because of America's government policies in Iraq and particularly in the few arab countries, that have fuelled more hatred.Of those thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians who die almost every day in those suicide bombings -that has angered them -Its not only innocent Iraqis, but so many innocent americans who have become victims -you remember Daniel Pearl right ?

Anyway ,I don't want to stretch the topic more-
No more hard feelings
Take care
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LUNAGODESS, -thank you for your advice also fred J, and couple of others.
Amethyst - I was just kidding -that last comment was a joke , nothing serious,
(hopefully this is my last post )

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And whats this whole thing about me sounding racist ?Even if I did sound like a racist t then I just have one simple question - Who sowed that seed of racism in my mind ? - It is people who represented your country right ? People from your country right !- because I was not always like this ,What caused to me to get so bitter -so anti american ?

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Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities

Your original note condemned Americans, because of the actions of a few. That is racist. If you had simply wrote about the boors who treated you poorly, that would have been different. But you didn't. You condemn a whole country because of the actions of a few.

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True there are racists in every country , but no one is taught to be a racist.
I personally dont think so.
If people in the Middle East harbour feelings of hatred for americans - then it is because of America's government policies in Iraq and particularly in the few arab countries, that have fuelled more hatred.Of those thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians who die almost every day in those suicide bombings -that has angered them -Its not only innocent Iraqis, but so many innocent americans who have become victims -you remember Daniel Pearl right ?

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I totally disagree. There is a great song from the play South Pacific; "You have to be carefully taught". If you've ever looked at young children playing in a racially mixed environment you can see that they aren't racist. Its taught to them later on.

I am not a supporter of my country's policies in Iraq, but I suggest you look at WHO is doing most of the killing of Iraqi civilians! Who is setting off the suicide bombs! Its not Americans!

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True there are racists in every country , but no one is taught to be a racist. I personally dont think so.

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Ok, let's explore that. If hate and racism isn't a learned behaviour then are you suggesting that people are born that way? Have you ever seen 4 and 5 year olds playing in a park with other kids? They don't care what colour skin their playmate has. They don't even care if they speak the same language.

I love your last sentence Scott... 100% spot on! Although I wouldn't say I'm not a supporter of your countries policies as I think they didn't have a wide range of choices really! So I SUPPORT them :)

And NK I'm with you also, of course people are taught, no one is born racist.

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Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities

Your original note condemned Americans, because of the actions of a few. That is racist. If you had simply wrote about the boors who treated you poorly, that would have been different. But you didn't. You condemn a whole country because of the actions of a few.



I totally disagree. There is a great song from the play South Pacific; "You have to be carefully taught". If you've ever looked at young children playing in a racially mixed environment you can see that they aren't racist. Its taught to them later on.

I am not a supporter of my country's policies in Iraq, but I suggest you look at WHO is doing most of the killing of Iraqi civilians! Who is setting off the suicide bombs! Its not Americans!

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I still condemn it, because I have every reason to do so.And you really did not understand my point -
"no one is born a racist , no one is taught to be racist - if people become racist it is because of the reality they see,the experiences they go through,
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So many Indians have become victims of racial profiling -like those 12 innocent passengers who were detained on board a Dutch flight because they were suspected to be terrorists - and what was their fault ?-
they were brownish in skin colour - do you understand Mr. ScottGem (Sir)

Right from the start I had a valid point and I still do so.
And Mr. ScottGem -why are Iraqi civilians being targetted ?-because of Americas presence in Iraq, - do you understand that?
what if you faced a similar situation in America ,where you had civilians being killed everyday in suicide bombings ? -Yes ,you have any answer for that-

Dont you point a finger at me,.To me you seem like those persons with typical mindsets - As someone has rightly said "Never cry in front of a person wo doesn't value your tears , or who doent understand your wounds" -

Is there anyway I can stop getting e-mail alerts - because Im sick & tired of this thing -
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I still condemn it, because I have every reason to do so.And you really did not understand my point -
"no one is born a racist , no one is taught to be racist - if people become racist it is because of the reality they see,the experiences they go through,
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So many Indians have become victims of racial profiling -like those 12 innocent passengers who were detained on board a Dutch flight because they were suspected to be terrorists - and what was their fault ?-
they were brownish in skin colour - do you understand Mr. ScottGem (Sir)

Right from the start I had a valid point and I still do so.
And Mr. ScottGem -why are Iraqi civilians being targetted ?-because of Americas presence in Iraq, - do you understand that?
what if you faced a similar situation in America ,where you had civilians being killed everyday in suicide bombings ? -Yes ,you have any answer for that-

Dont you point a finger at me,.To me you seem like those persons with typical mindsets - As someone has rightly said "Never cry in front of a person wo doesnt value your tears , or who doent understand your wounds" -

Is there anyway I can stop getting e-mail alerts - because Im sick & tired of this thing -
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No, you mistated your point. Yes we agree that no one is born a racist but we disagree that they aren't taught racism. Whether its taught to them by other racists, or they learn because of experiences to fear certain groups, its still taught.

What about the passengers on that Dutch airline? If they were racially profiled, who's to blame? True, they aren't to blame, but the blame should be placed on the people who have committed the acts of terrorism. If people are being profilled its because they fit the profile of those who have committed these crimes. The blame goes to them, not the people who are trying to protect the innocent.

Ok, so your logic is that its OK for the Iraqi insurgents to kill their fellow citizens because the US freed their country from the oppressive regime that was in power? That actually makes sense to you? Sure doesn't make sense to me. My answer to that is for the duly constituted government to go after the murderers using whatever help they need.

I will point my finger wherever it needs pointing. When I see people who post things I can refute with facts and logic, I will do so. The facts here are that you expressed some racist sentiments by condemning all Americans for the acts of a few. And your defense of those statements shows a bias that ignores the salient facts and defies logical thinking.

P.S. just unsubscribe to the thread.

Please all americans you should know what is going on on the world and why are you so hated( for documented reasons) u have to educated and acknowlege what is going on and stop being ignorant to the fact that this is going on and you are the one who is going to change your government from causing pain and killing all aver the world and for adityak post, that was his experience may be it was generaized and it is not fair to the none racist but let me give and example if a kid from iraq his mom and dad were killed by an american bomb you think his hatred to americans has not merits? U all should be ashamed that some americans are racist and should condemn that istead of going off on him, be educated and know why americans are hated to change that, if americans are educated they would refuse to give there votes to presedents cause killing and poverty around the world (for oil and whatnot) because this pain will come back here eventually and it did(9/11) , I do not think you can call someone a racist with out bad experience and he had one but we all can change that by just at least acknowlege that and the change will come eventually.

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please all americans u should know what is going on on the world and why r u so hated( for documented reasons) .

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You are making assumptions here. I, for one, do realize that were are often hated in other parts of the world. I, for one, do realize that, while we try to help others, we often do it with an arrogant, overbearing attitude. And, of course, the child who's parent is killed by an american bomb is going to hate americans. But what about the child whose parent is killed by a suicide bomb from his own people? Who should that child hate?

The Arab world needs to wake up to the fact that terrorism is not the answer. That indiscriminate killing just gives rise to more. Committing such acts will usually strengthen the resolve of the victims to stand against the terrorists. The answer is NOT to hate. The answer is to look at motives and try to work towards peace!

BTW I did not vote for this president nor do I agree with or approve of his actions, but you are putting cause and effect in reverse. Afghanistan and Iraq (at least partially) are the result of 9/11, not the cause of it.

Instead of hating Americans you should be trying to stop extremist from blowing people up and allowing them to hide among you ,then maybe those bombs won't be aimed in your direction. If they had no where to hide and be protected then innocent people would have nothing to fear.

Before the Americans were involved in Iraq, they were killing each other, look at what Sadamm did to his people. Men in power will always cause war, because they want more power. It happens in every country. To blame the Americans for death and fighting throughout the world is so ludicrous. No one country is to blame if they are at war.
I have some wonderful friends that are from India. They are a peaceful people, if you were to ask them about me, they would say the same. It is too bad big companies have opened offices in India, but believe me, if the Indians did not want them to do it, they wouldn't. You will only be exploited if you allow it.

It saddens me that a whole race is judged by a select few and everyone is looking for someone else to blame. So, sir, you took a job that you are not tough enough skinned to work at. Accept that, and realize when someone has a problem, it is frustrating to begin with and when you are having a hard time communicating with each other it makes it worse. I am not blaming you, there are many people who love to argue and love to get those grumpy people calling so they have an excuse to be grumpy back.:) Let them have those jobs. Surely there are many jobs in India that you would be paid more money at and be happier at, because the big businesses are only exploiting the Indians with their companies there anyway. If the American companies are hated so much there you need to boycot them and they would leave if they had no workers. Right? I do know for a fact there have been lay offs of American workers because they have taken their offices to India. I have 2 friends that worked for a health care provider in the office and they closed it here and all billing is done from India. The Americans would be glad to have their jobs back. Do that for us, will you? Thank you and I truly wish you the best of luck with your new venture. I would never be able to work as you did.

o( blame the Americans for death and fighting throughout the world is so ludicrous) how could you say that? can you imagine some one come to your house and cause you pain by the premise they want to help u? Do you see americans help countries with dictators and cause havoc if they do not have oil or some kind of their benefit? Come on the issue is much bigger that bad attitude on the phone, like I said if you just admit the problem and accept why is happening is happening instead of just arguing for the sake of arguing and just being righteous death on any sides is going to stop, I think americans think the world is just americ, they do not know how their government operate and after 9/11 they start to have some ideas but denial will not solve any thing and for you to say america is not to blame this the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, america is the bigget and most powerful country in the world and you want to know how they act in other countries you should just stop denying that the american policy around the world is biggest terrororist and the biggest bully, I can not talk too much here but there is a documentary you should all watch you might get the right pic I am not sure about the name but I think it is called (marshal war of usa) I am not sure I do not think it is the right name but I will get the name for you in the next 5 hours but just watch documntary movies from other countries instead of just thinking the world is only america and stop being self righteous, and I want to add something for the example I gave about the kid who will hate americans who caused his mom and dad death you have to go to the root of the problem istead of taking to problem from the middle and go from their it is like if someone punshes you and if punsh back you are to blame this exactlly how I see americans handle terorr they should know that they started the terror all those poor countries have no means in the beginning to come here to cause problems but the oil and what not made american government economic colonizatin for their own advantage, and for the bad attitude on the phone and some of them being racist it is just the tip of the ice burg and the others who clame they are not racist sure they answers as narrow as a racist

Are you trying to tell me that Sadamm did not kill any of his people? Are you trying to tell me that people in the "oil" countries are not constantly throwing rocks and grenades at each other? Constantly blowing up cars and busses and buildings with their own people in them? I am not saying America should or should not be there. I think ALL heads of government are too powerful NOT just the Americans. Look at the oil countries, the people are so poor and yet the heads of the gov't live beyond kings. What I said was, there is fighting everywhere all of the time whether the Americans are involved or not. Read all of my post and read the words, do not put words where they are not. I am not calling you a racist nor am I one. I am saying a fact, there has been war before America was even discovered and there will be war after. If America is so bad, why do so many foreigners want to live here?

Shah,
You seem to have a very narrow, egocentric viewpoint here. You need to look at the larger picture and maybe you will have some understanding.

I'll point out my very specific example. The tsunami of last year. Americans supplied aid to the victims of that disaster. Many countries that do not supply us with oil or anything else. No return was asked or expected. I'l also note that when we suffered through similar devastation as a result of Katrina, there was very little support provided by other countries.

You seem to think we are the only ones in the wrong here ("if u just admit the problem and accept why is happening"). I have already said, that I am aware of and understand some of the problems we cause. However, you make no attempt to see things from our side ("cause u pain by the premise they want to help u"). Did it ever occur to you that all we want to do is help? That we recognize the riches our country has been blessed with and want to help others achieve that? Maybe its not a "premise", but a sincere desire to help. Granted we often do it badly, but maybe if the people we are trying to help look past the mistakes and realize that's we are just trying to help, then maybe they might not resent the mistakes as much.

But yes I DO deny that America is the biggest terrorist and bully. That is just propaganda, that you seem to have been fed. We did not start terror anyplace.

If you want to look at root causes, try jealousy. A large part of the reason for the antagonism towards us is jealousy over what we have. Most countries have no problem in asking us for help when they need it, while at the same time biting the hand that feeds them.

You need to open your mind and try looking at facts. The facts are that the American people value peace and are generous and helping for the most part. But we also have backbone and will retaliate when we are attacked. The two largest cowardly attacks in human history were perpetrated against us (Pearl Harbor and 9/11). When attacked we WILL defend ourselves. An sometimes, the best defense is a good offense.

I realize in other countries that thoughts and ideas are not so freely expressed but, to just repeat the party line without really knowing what goes on in the world is so sad.

Oh my god that is the simplton would say that, I know you are not a politician you like to believe the good intention of america, any thing you said about why people come if america is so bad and people are jealous , is this the mind of an american( simplton) it is not what you want to believe it is pure politics of course you are an american you only hear the good things america does but you have to hear it from different prospective, it is not personal and I do not think people should kill americans it does not solve the problem but you should wake up and know that you do not live in this earth alone and protest your government your government does not care about you they send your kids to be killes. Like I said you want to believe the good things it is like your parents you do not want to believe they are bad (this is just an example, I am sure they are wonderful people) unless you go out side not being in an emotional state, I know there is war before america, I am against those extremist muslims I think they are very severe in their own religion I do not agree with the religion it self but this is not the point the point is you can not use every coountry to your advantage, so you know little bit about the soviet union and how they collapsed and please do not come back and have an attack on me and just act as a simplton american go and get more document and read a lot of history , I repeat it is not personal I just wish america become more educated about the world and stop being arrogant about it, my boyfriend is an american I just want to say that to let you know it is not personal

Ok, I see there is no point in discussing anything with you. You have a closed mind. You see only what you want to see or what the propagandists tell you.

Whether you believe it or not, I do see the warts. But I also see the good things. I survived 9/11 (I was in one of the towers that morning). I've seen the generosity and good heartedness of Americans. I am not blind to the excesses and abuses that we are also guilty of. You only see the bad and want to paint all Americans with the same brush. But you refuse to open your eyes to the facts. You accuse me of attacking you, when I have not come close to it. And then you make matters worse by attempting to insult me.

I was a political science major and am a history buff so I feel I know more than a bit about world history. If anyone needs to be educated, its you, I think you know very little about americans.

You are talking about the american individuals who like to believe that their conuntry is the best country and their policy as generous as they are inside and as the movies depicted it to others, I guess I was clear to say that americans should know what is going on from there country and to participate and to know every thing their government does, it is going to affect them sooner or later, and education has nothing to do with politics I know you are an educated man but do you really know any thing about why americans governmet is hated and please do not tell me it is jealousy I think we are not kids here we can have logical conversation , I repeat americans as individual are motivated by heroes from movies which is very good because as individuals they want to be good but do they know what they government is doing outside, that is was my only reason to write because I thought all americans live in this movies world and movies tell them their govrnment is so good to other nations and that is a shame you can not get your info from movies if you are scientist or a homeless you have to see different prospective, this is not attack on individuals american it is attack on their naivety because they are too victims of their government, do you know how many kids soldier died in the war? And please do not say they are defending their country americans and iraqees died in vain and who is to blame? The government, america is the most powrful country in the world and americans should have a say in what there government does like I said it is going to affect them and they should not clog their ears and just believe the good things. Do they stop and really think what our government did to be hated like that and for those people to come to our country and kill us? Think about it. I am not arguing for the sake of arguing I really believe that knowing the fact people in the most powerful country are powerful and can make change but by being believing one thing we are not going to have peace. Peace

You keep talking about me seeing things from a different perspective, yet you refuse to. And then you don't see how biased, closed minded and obtuse you are being. How many times do I have to say that I DO understand how Americans are perceived in other countries? How many times do I have to say that I know we have done things to deserve some of the antagonism you talk about?

But when are you going to get off your high horse and try looking at the facts for a change? Your perspective is just as, if not more skewed then you claim Americans are. Things are just not as black and white as you would like to believe. Until you try to view both sides as objectively as I try to, you are going to be off base.

Could you be more specific so I can understand your point,you do have a point or are you working for a terrorist cell, where everyone quotes the same line?

U do not get it do u? So what you think should happen to stop this chaos, I would love to hear what you think should happen or be done, kill every one threaten united states instead of go to the bottom of the matter? I really am eager to hear your answer

No you are the one who doesn't get it. You prove, each time you post, that you are close minded. I noticed you never responded to the point I raised about the tsunami. You can't since that doesn't fit into your narrow view of things.

I don't pretend to have a magic solution. I do know that the killing needs to stop on ALL sides. I do know that the terrorists and extremeists need to disavow their hate mongering and destructive agenda before any meaningful peace can be achieved. I do believe that people need to look for the good in others, not just see the bad (as you seem to do). And then try to work from positives instead of negatives.

I just have no clue how to make that happen.

Had to spread it around Scott but I agree. We know the right thing to do but how to do it is another matter. I think and hope the nut jobs who kill innocent people and themselves should be stopped and so far as hating the U S? That sounds like a lot of bitter feelings that have been ground into MUSH! I don't care at all how they feel and if Iran for example hates us so much they don't hesitate to take the aid we send after an earthquake. The middle east has never had peace so who's fault is that?

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I don't care at all how they feel and if Iran for example hates us so much they don't hesitate to take the aid we send after an earthquake. The middle east has never had peace so who's fault is that?

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This is one of the paradoxes of foreign policy that SHAHRAZAD refuses to open his (her?) eyes to. A lot of these countries have their right hands out asking for our help, while holding a hate placard in the left. If they hate us now, imagine the hue and cry were we to cut off aid and support.

If you do something good and turn to other side and do something horrible would that cancel the bad is that what you are saying? yeah united stated did somegood but can't u see the bad? vietnam, hiroshima, panama, chili, and so on doing something good does not erase the fact that you have a free pass to do damage somewhere else, I do not know what you all mean and argue about and refusing my point that americans have to be involved in any aspect in their government and the policy because policy is affecting any one when the government did some damage to other countries the pay back could be very harsh (september11) please watch ( the marshal law of the states), I am not close minded I happen to know facts

I will admit I'm having a hard time following your logic,but if your saying there are those that would try to kill americans that's not exactly a secret,but I doubt we will stick our heads in the sand especially since whatever they do to us payback WILL be harsh. The dates don't matter much. If you have any suggestions what we SHOULD be doing... I'm all ears and please go slow so my simpleton brain can follow.

I am sorry I do not mean to offend here but americans live in their world (and they have a right to be into themselves it a big big country and they did not feel the need to understand what is going on around the world actually most of them do not even know their government, I understand it a big country and the obsession is movie stars and show business and I think this is the time to know and defend themselves by going back to their government history and not to try to defend something they do not know about because the government does not want to show the bad pics to their people , like I said americans are not bad people I just hate the idea of defending something you have no idea what you talking about , think about it, if the government has bad policy around the world you do not say it does not concern u, I live in a peace country we all know from 9/11 we all vulnerable to any thing , and this thread started with a man is so upsetabout the treatment he got while he was serving them, and when every body went off on him it just hit me that you do not feel others pain you just want to defend and all americans like to be sympathetic why not here, I feel sympathy for every family lost a loved one due to politics and the people have the power to change that, so instead of defending try to know exactly what is going on then when you defend you are going to have solid argument, and I want to say about islamic fantic I think they are with out their hate to american they are nutcases due to being sooooo religious but they got a point though but actually this a defferent topic

You just don't get it do you. Vietnam? We were invited there by the South Vietnamese government. Hiroshima? What about Pearl Harbor? We were at war with Japan, a war of their own making. Were we supposed to let more Americans die in a drawn out war? Sorry, doesn't work that way. Panama? What about it? Are you referring to capturing Norieaga who was funneling drugs into our country? Chili? Americans love chili, especially in the Southwest.

Your betray a distinct lack of knowledge of American History and show an extremely biased and propagandized view of it. Are you actually justifying 9/11? Do you think a sneak attack that killed thousands of ordinary citizens was justified? I think you are referring to the Marshall Plan. This was a plan for the rebuilding of Europe after WWII. What about it. Have you ever read the Mouse That Roared? The premise of that was to attack and LOSE an war against the US so they would help rebuild the attacker. It was a satire, by the way.

You have NO idea what things are really like in the US, this is clear by your biased, misleading statements. You continue to ignore facts. Like why do so many people try to emulate western culture? Do we force blue jeans and rock and roll on other countries? No, they want it themselves.

When you learn what lifew is really like in the US, what the American people are really like, then maybe you can try discussing things with us. Right now you just don't have a clue.

I don't get it either. What do movie stars have to do with this? I don't know any and sure can't live by them.

I guess you donot have a clue and I think you are right wing because you refuse to know the negative and just believe what you know which is justified right by you and you will not listen to any one suffered from united states policy and by the same token if you are mad that united stated suffered from terrorist would you even admit that united states policy caused suffer elswhere, and for movies I mentioned I meant the culture here and the whole obssessin with movies would not allow people to look and be educated about other countries, and you say facts these are your facts, you live in the states you have not talked to people or know countries are suffered I mean you did not hear first hand that is why I suggested to hear other voices, you are the one who is very very close minded and your kind would not negotiate to have a solution you just want to be right and live by your right facts, and for 9/11 I do not justify any killing no matter what but all I was saying look at the root of the problem. With your kind we are not going to have peace in the world you just want to be right and would ignore others justified pain caused by specific policy.

The documentaries r, (martial law of the states, the control room, the illuminati, why we fight) and so many but with your attitude the war is not going to stop and [u have to have an opinion on every thing especially peace, do not say I do not know, and this exactlly how americans felt toward politics till they got 9/11, u should think of peace not just arguing and want to be right, I got nothing more to say here because having a discussion with a right wing person is so difficult to me, their mind is closed and you can not even see that what I am trying here is peace and you just want to be right does not matter what happened we can not change that but we can change the future

I got to tell you!! You have had every opportunity to make a point but all you have presented is generalities and inuendos. If you can bring specific facts to bear, we can have a dialog. Not a diatribe that you seem to prefer. So the ball is in your court, give us facts to back up your rhetoric or.. And who are you calling right wing? Do you even understand what that is? Or are you just repeating something you heard in terrorist school? Again what policies have caused harm to you or others that justify whatever it is your ranting about. Where do you live anyway? I am trying to understand but you aren't helping at all.

Believe me know what right wing is and I do no think( from what you insiunate) it is not about words or about appearing(know it all) I am not mad but your posts are missing the point getting in any details here there is no space and you would argue the facts from your comfortable place but this is not the point the point is , do you want peace then you have to listen to other nations and see things from different angles I know you want to be patriatic and emotional about your country by just defending but would that solve any things , and for you to say I am in terrorist school it kind of funny it is the easiest and the closest thing to say if someone just try to have you watch and listen to different documentaries. I know the drive here is patriotism and emotions but I think the real patriodic is the one is going to be objecteve and try to have solutions instead of blind patriotism, and it is not personal with me do not make that way, by arguing with me would not change what is going on it does not matter who is right here in this forum what matter is from this forum would people want really to have peace, I am not attacking any one but I feel you just want to argue and be right and you are going to justify any thing to your so called patriotism but would that help? Who is the real patriodic the one who is driven by emotions and just add more fuel to the problem or the one who is trying to be objective and see things for different angle believe me if you think that way that would not make you a treason but I think the opposite (do not be scared, I know what happened to dixie chics for what they said and how it is taken you think that was right to attack them which natalie said was right)insead of just hating and wanting to be right try to see and hear from different nations, I know they are fanatic but through that you have to find what the problem why these fanatic religious do what they do, and for the hating it goes both ways I think hate is blind and would only fuel the chaos

Whhhhhhhooooooooo Shahrazad I do believe that it is now time to calm down.
Your sentence structure, or lack of it, shows a very angry person.
Also at the bottom of the posting box are three buttons, one is a spell checker, please, for the sake of our sanity, use it.
That is all.