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  • Nov 6, 2005, 06:13 PM
    CroCivic91
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ScottGem
    The more I've thought about this, the dumber this sounds. How does one form an opinion? A human baby is not born with opinions, they are formed as they grow. Opinions don't spring into one's mind out of nothing. They are formed based on teachings, advice and/or experience. Therefore, it would seem impossible for an opinion to not have some proof or facts behind it. Whether the proofs and/or facts have been correctly interpreted or whether they are based on false data is another issue. But to say they have no proofs or factual basis is just ridiculous.

    This just fell on my mind... how do opinions based on "gut feeling" come in play here? I'm not trying to dissapprove of your saying - I agree with it too, but this thing just fell on my mind.
  • Nov 6, 2005, 06:35 PM
    ScottGem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CroCivic91
    This just fell on my mind...how do opinions based on "gut feeling" come in play here? I'm not trying to dissapprove of your saying - i agree with it too, but this thing just fell on my mind.

    The way I look at it your "gut feeling" is based on your experience and/or beliefs. Lets use an example. I consider myself a deist. A deist is someone who believes that some intelligent force created the universe then washed their hands of it and said, go play. I base my beliefs on several factors. One is I can't believe that the complexity of the universe, the physical laws etc. could not be the product of some intelligence. On the other hand, I can't believe such an intelligent could allow the horrors that have occurred within the universe. Obviously I can't prove this. But its based my experiences in dealing with the universe. What I've done here is present a logical basis for my opinion. Whether it can be proven is another issue.

    Scott<>
  • Nov 7, 2005, 05:03 AM
    Chery
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ScottGem
    The way I look at it your "gut feeling" is based on your experience and/or beliefs. Lets use an example. I consider myself a deist. A deist is someone who believes that some intelligent force created the universe then washed their hands of it and said, go play. I base my beliefs on several factors. One is I can't believe that the complexity of the universe, the physical laws etc. could not be the product of some intelligence. On the other hand, I can't believe such an intelligent could allow the horrors that have occured within the universe. Obviously I can't prove this. But its based my experiences in dealing with the universe. What I've done here is present a logical basis for my opinion. Whether it can be proven is another issue.

    Scott<>

    Very good Scott and ProCiv. I believe my 'gut feelings' are from the information that I have received through years, weighing this information and coming up with solutions/opinions of my own. Some people have 'anxiety attacks' , forebodings, and precognitions - which to them are valid, even if they cannot be proven by others but it works for them. Ah, the amazing brain. Thank goodness each of us has an opinion as various as another part of our anatomy.. What does matter is the respect we all should have for other's opinions too, and when wrong - how we can face up to them and learn.. after all we are all human and not perfect, otherwise this would be a boring planet to live on.
  • Nov 7, 2005, 06:00 AM
    ScottGem
    As I thought about this some more, I realized it is possible for people to have opinions that they form based on unconscious datum. This is where the gut feeling comes in. I'm sure there is some logical basis for the feeling, but they would need to think about it carefully to be able to express what it is. But I remain convinced that any opinion has some factual and/or logical basis.

    I also remain convinced that if people want to express their opinions, they should be willing and able to back up the opinion. They should also be willing to change their opinion in the face of contrary evidence. To just state an opinion then clam up when its challenged is very wrong In my opinion.

    Scott<>
  • Nov 7, 2005, 06:03 AM
    Chery
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ScottGem
    As I thought about this some more, I realized it is possible for people to have opinions that they form based on unconscious datum. This is where the gut feeling comes in. I'm sure there is some logical basis for the feeling, but they would need to think about it carefully to be able to express what it is. But I remain convinced that any opinion has some factual and/or logical basis.

    I also remain convinced that if people want to express their opinions, they should be willing and able to back up the opinion. They should also be willing to change their opinion in the face of contrary evidence. To just state an opinion then clam up when its challenged is very wrong IMHO.

    Scott<>

    I agree again, got the 'spread' message, one should not clam up or ignore repercussions - not cosher at all, that's the coward's way out.
  • Nov 20, 2005, 07:35 PM
    wizzkid89
    Comment on ScottGem's post
    Wow, I did not know what a deist was but it sums up what I have been thinking for the last few years, did not know it had a following.
  • Nov 20, 2005, 07:43 PM
    wizzkid89
    I think these posts(although interesting and enlightening) has kind of strayed from what the question was. If you ask me if we should keep the rating system, I don't care, one way or another. For instance I like being a newbie and I dislike it, I like it because it means that I don't know anything which I believe I don't, I know nothing for sure, however the word newbie got it's start from online gaming which I am pretty sure I'm the only one to experience that and/or have the deepest connection with it. Newbie in the online gaming world means retard, stupid, and ignorant, so on that note I am not too happy about it, but really I don't think I mind, I think it is nice maybe to reward someone for good advice but shouldn't the real reward be that we helped somebody and that acknowledgement for it is irrelevant.
  • Nov 20, 2005, 07:51 PM
    labman
    Is there anybody out there that thinks the rep system helped them choose the better of 2 conflicting answers?
  • Nov 20, 2005, 07:54 PM
    Chery
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wizzkid89
    I think these posts(although interesting and enlightening) has kind of strayed from what the question was. If you ask me if we should keep the rating system, I don't care, one way or another. For instance I like being a newbie and I dislike it, I like it because it means that I don't know anything which I believe I don't, I know nothing for sure, however the word newbie got it's start from online gaming which I am pretty sure i'm the only one to experience that and/or have the deepest connection with it. Newbie in the online gaming world means retard, stupid, and ignorant, so on that note I am not too happy about it, but really I don't think I mind, I think it is nice maybe to reward someone for good advice but shouldn't the real reward be that we helped somebody and that acknowledgement for it is irrelevant.

    Hope you stick to this forum instead of games, as you are an enlightenment and pleasure to read. Keep this up and you won't be a newbie for long.

    You're :cool:
  • Nov 21, 2005, 06:26 AM
    ScottGem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wizzkid89
    I think these posts(although interesting and enlightening) has kind of strayed from what the question was. If you ask me if we should keep the rating system, I don't care, one way or another. For instance I like being a newbie and I dislike it, I like it because it means that I don't know anything which I believe I don't, I know nothing for sure, however the word newbie got it's start from online gaming which I am pretty sure i'm the only one to experience that and/or have the deepest connection with it. Newbie in the online gaming world means retard, stupid, and ignorant, so on that note I am not too happy about it, but really I don't think I mind, I think it is nice maybe to reward someone for good advice but shouldn't the real reward be that we helped somebody and that acknowledgement for it is irrelevant.

    The term newbie goes back much further than online gaming. Newbie originally started as a non-derogatory id for someone new to the environment. It was simple a way to gauge a person's experience. The newbie title shown under a posters name here, reflects nothing more than a tier showing the number of posts they have made. As posts increase, that title changes. But because its based solely on quantity and not quality, some people feel there needs to be something that is more based on quality.

    Personally, my issue is primarily with the ability to rate and comment on individual posts. I have a feeling that the Repuation system is tied into that in such way that you can't have one without the other. So I would rather live with a Rep system then without a rating system.

    Scott<>
  • Nov 21, 2005, 07:00 PM
    wizzkid89
    That's a good point ^^^, however I misworded my original statement, I shouldn't have said started by online gamers, however I do believe that it is more common to hear it now because of the gaming, but like I said I think a rating system is irrelevant, because I think it is very depressing to know someone gets their jollies by trying to get a higher rank, when it's the good advice to people in need that deserves our concentration.
  • Nov 22, 2005, 05:56 AM
    ScottGem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wizzkid89
    however I misworded my original statement, I shouldn't have said started by online gamers, however I do belive that it is more common to hear it now because of the gaming,

    I must disagree again. You are relatively new to the Internet. I've been using it for longer than you have been around. I suspect that the lion's share of your Internet usage involves gaming. So its natural that you would look at things through that perspective. But out in the rest of cyberspace, newbie is a common term.

    Scott<>
  • Nov 22, 2005, 02:35 PM
    wizzkid89
    Comment on labman's post
    Great question
  • Nov 22, 2005, 02:43 PM
    wizzkid89
    I guess you could call me new, and I really mean that ,no sarcaism, I started on the internet in 1998, and I know it has been around longer than that, and I just realized the mistake I made, of course the word newbie has been around longer, that was so shortsighted of me, the word I meant was "noob" and I really doubt, but who knows, that was used frequently before Halo 2 got off the ground, but I have been proven wrong, before, actually a lot lol, and it isn't necessarily a internet thing, it is an xbox live thing which does use the internet to conncect yet it's run through a console instead of a computer. But like I said, I meant noob, and how I realize that know I don't know and it is most likely because I quit the game around 2 months ago, and I haven't use that lingo since. Also, I have another question, when did the internet start? I know when the first computer was distributed, but I am kind of fuzzy about when the world wide web was started?
  • Nov 22, 2005, 02:52 PM
    Curlyben
    Sorry Whizz, but its been around a lot longer than online console games
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Urban Dictionary
    3. noob
    comes in two variations, noob and newb.

    Noob is meant as an offensive term towards someone who is not nessicarily new, and quite often is directed at someone that is |somewhat| experienced but at the same time stupid/disruptive and/or totally incapable of learning.
    A noob is almost always someone who thinks they're cool but obviously aren't. Also used in 1337speak.
    see also: n00b, nub, ch00b, n00bo, n00blet.

    Newb is not meant to be offensive. newb merely states that the person in question is new to the game/board/whatever.
    Noob -
    Ralph: OMG I IS THE BEST!11!!one1!!! YUO ALL SUK!11! LOL!
    Fred: noob.
    Daniel: go home n00blet...

    Noob Link

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