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thank you, gr8stuff. Have you ordered from anyone on here yet? Did you get it?

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No applebeee, I've decided not to use mono cause I'm too scared of side-effects. I want to try arbutin but not before I've done enough research on it.

applebeee,sashimi,muna,mellowkat and SunshineNY, I’m in the same boat as all of you because I’m desperately trying to bleach my skin to my ultimate desire but I don’t want this to turn out as mistake. SO GIRLS, I have been seriously thinking and doing research (HOMEWORK) on monobenzone V.S arbutin or(alpha arbutin). From my understanding they are both de-pigmenters but if a mistake suddenly happen, mono is a lot harder to reverse back to normal than arbutin. BELIEVE ME GUYS I WANT THIS DEAM TO BECOME TRUE JUST AS MUCH AS YOU but I welling to wait and do more research on the strongest drug (mono) BUT I am welling to try the second most powerful (arbutin).
GIRLS tell me if you agree,disagree,or just give advice, I will not get mad for any reason

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No applebeee, I've decided not to use mono cause I'm too scared of side-effects. I want to try arbutin but not before I've done enough research on it.

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Hi, you must have been reading my minddddddddd!! :eek:
I am all for arbutin or alpha-arbutin after doing some reseach
Get back i want to talk more about this

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No applebeee, I've decided not to use mono cause I'm too scared of side-effects. I want to try arbutin but not before I've done enough research on it.

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Ok, I hear you. Good luck to you.

Be safe

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hi, YOU MUST HAVE BEEN READING MY MINDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:
I AM ALL FOR ARBUTIN OR ALPHA-ARBUTIN AFTER DOING SOME RESEACH
GET BACK I WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS

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Yeah Brown skin, it seems we are on the same wave-length, lol;)

For what I've gathered about Alpha-arbutin, it doesn't depig like mono, but it does lighten considerably. The stuff is patented and quite safe (unless you abuse it by using highly concentrated formula). And you can tan normally if you so wish unlike mono. Research have been done about it both in vivo and in vitro(on human beings).

I'll be trying it as soon as I can find a source for the powder and mix my own cause I want to start on low %.

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Yeah Brown skin, it seems we are on the same wave-length, lol;)

For what I've gathered about Alpha-arbutin, it doesn't depig like mono, but it does lighten considerably. The stuff is patented and quite safe (unless you abuse it by using highly concentrated formula). And you can tan normally if you so wish unlike mono. Research have been done about it both in vivo and in vitro(on human beings).

I'll be trying it as soon as I can find a source for the powder and mix my own cause I want to start on low %.

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I agree, it is a little more safer then mono and it also produces the same results as mono. I will give mono a try MAYBE after I reseach it in medical school. Mono to me sounds very risky at this point. BUT if you do decide to use mono PLEASE make it 1% percent:rolleyes:
Anyway, I find the page were you can look up companies in the US and in other placesfor arbutin and other chemicals.
CHECK IT OUT, put the name of the chemical in the search engine and then it will bring up all the companies that sale them, even ANIL is on there ChemBuyersGuide.com - Search
PM me if you wish and tell me how you are going to mix your Alpha-arbutin
Which one do you think is better Alpha-arbutin or arbutin?
It is perferd that you start at 2% with arbutin but I'm willing to give 5% a try, how about you?

This Alpha-arbutin sound great, and it dissolve in water, right?

Brown skin, I have no intention of putting mono on my skin even if someone pay me to do so... lol:p

Thanks for the link Brown skin; it seems most of them are from china. Anyway, I think I found one online. Contacted them already.

I'll try Alpha-arbutin as it is 10 times more powerful in skin lightening than arbutin or beta arbutin. I intend to try it at 2% initially and increase it gradually if I need to but I won't be going over 10% very soon if at all. I'll try to test it for a week or so on my big toe (which got some black marks from a stupid sandal I wore during summer some 2 years ago:mad: )by mixing it with distilled water only. If it works well with no skin irritation, then I'll formulate my own cream, lotion or serum by mixing it with Emulsifiers, emollient, antioxidant etc.

I'll post here all my recipes and sources for raw materials etc if it does work really well.;)

muna, yes AA dissolves in water.

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This Alpha-arbutin sound great, and it dissolve in water, right?

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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS it does dissolve in water
I'm surprise you did not know about this, or did you.
Did you ever think it was better then mono:D

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Brown skin, I have no intention of putting mono on my skin even if someone pay me to do so...lol:p

Thanks for the link Brown skin; it seems most of them are from china. Anyway, I think I found one online. Contacted them already.

I'll try Alpha-arbutin as it is 10 times more powerful in skin lightening than arbutin or beta arbutin. I intend to try it at 2% initially and increase it gradually if I need to but I won't be going over 10% very soon if at all. I'll try to test it for a week or so on my big toe (which got some black marks from a stupid sandal I wore during summer some 2 years ago:mad: )by mixing it with distilled water only. If it works well with no skin irritation, then I'll formulate my own cream, lotion or serum by mixing it with Emulsifiers, emollient, antioxidant etc.

I'll post here all my recipes and sources for raw materials etc if it does work really well.;)

muna, yes AA dissolves in water.

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What company did you write too?? someone in the US
Correct me if I'm wrong but you are starting with 2% BECAUSE you are already medium light right
Ooooo that was funny when you said you are going to start youring testing with your big toe.:D
Anyway you mean to tell me that arbutin is weaker then alpha arbutin, I don't know about that!! :confused:
You mean to tell me that you are only going to use alpha-arbutin and water, I wounder how well it will rub on the skin without lotion. What do you think get back:cool:

I wrote to Somerset to ask them about the % concentration. Garden of wisdom sell 99% AA.

And yeah AA is 10x stronger than arbutin. If you check most of the links posted on AA in this thread, they all state the same.

Yeah, I'm medium light but with uneven-skin tone, so I think 2% should be enough to even-out my skin.

I intend to mix it with distilled water for the initial test on the toe; to have an idea of how well it works without anything else. But of course, I'll mix with cream and lotion to apply on my face or body.

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I wrote to Somerset to ask them about the % concentration. Garden of wisdom sell 99% AA.

And yeah AA is 10x stronger than arbutin. If you check most of the links posted on AA in this thread, they all state the same.

Yeah, I'm medium light but with uneven-skin tone, so I think 2% should be enough to even-out my skin.

I intend to mix it with distilled water for the initial test on the toe; to have an idea of how well it works without anything else. But of course, I'll mix with cream and lotion to apply on my face or body.

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I think I have to do more reseach because I thought alpha-arbutin being 10x stronger than beta-arbutin. I didn't read about it being 10x stronger than regular arbutin.:confused:
Get back to me on this
which company do you think is more trust wrothy?;)

Brown skin, Beta arbutin is usually referred to as only arbutin. So beta and regular is the same.;)

I really don't know which of these companies are more trust-worthy as I've never dealt with them before. But I'm feeling more inclined towards Somerset cause they have the "Material Safety Data Sheet" (MSDS) on the site which make me feel that they are more legitimate. They also have a forum where the site owner usually answers questions. I've just received a reply from them and they say that their AA is >97%. So now, I don't know if I should order from them or Garden of wisdom whose AA is 99.5% and about the same price.. :confused:

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Brown skin, Beta arbutin is usually referred to as only arbutin. So beta and regular is the same.;)

I really don't know which of these companies are more trust-worthy as I've never dealt with them before. But I'm feeling more inclined towards Somerset cause they have the "Material Safety Data Sheet" (MSDS) on the site which make me feel that they are more legitimate. They also have a forum where the site owner usually answers questions. I've just received a reply from them and they say that their AA is >97%. So now, I dunno if I should order from them or Garden of wisdom whose AA is 99.5% and about the same price..:confused:

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I'm tryying to write you back but I have a virus on my computer, once I get it fix, I can enlighten you on all the information my organic chemistry professor told me about mono vs. alpha-arbutin and the companys that sales them

Thanks Brown Skin, looking forward to it.;)

Anyone using mono, howz it going?

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Thanks Brown Skin, looking forward to it.;)

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HEEEEEEEEEEY
Sorry for getting back so late:(
My Organic Chemistry professor told me Brief information on MONOBENZONE VS. ALPHA_ARBUTIN
O.K now MONO is very threatening to the health specially when using it in high percentages(ex. 5%, 10%, 15%, 20% etc….:mad: ) because it structural molecule substances are very hydrophobic (nonpolar). Mono’s chemical structure has one to many benzene rings a and phenol groups technically speaking.mono nonpolar molecules can interfere and be mistakenly read as one of your DNA bases (nucleotides) which will disrupt the sequences of its cycle and will definitely create cancer.:eek: NOW REMEMBER :rolleyes: – the higher the percentage of mono, the more hydrophobic the molecule is which make it more easier to enter the cells and disrupt your DNA sequence
HOWEVER ALPHA-ARBUTIN is similar to MONO because it depigs but it does not do as much damage as mono:D . ALPHA-ARBUTIN molecule structure is more hydrophilic because the molecules has hydroxyl groups on the benzene rings and which makes it very unlikely to enter the cell because the molecule is polar. THIS CHEMICAL CAN BE A LITTLE RISKY TOO BUT NOT AS MUCH.
I THINK YOU WILL STILL GET THE RESUTLS YOU WANT
OOOOOOOO I have 2 chemical companies my professor is familiar with in the USA, so I will PM you them later
TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK. YOU TOO MELLOWKAT

Thanks Brown skin. Looking forward to the PM.;)

Do you know what kind of risk is associated with AA? I think the lower the %, the less risk with any substance although, I haven't read about any side-effects with AA...

And you said AA depig like mono, does that mean there's the risk of getting totally white (as MJ) in high %? :eek:

Hi brown skin, so what your professor said about using mono on healthy skin? What about the concentration, I did not understand, do we have to use high or low percentage? When he said damage that means is it in terms of blotchiness , AB won't cause that?

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HEEEEEEEEEEY
Sorry for getting back so late:(
my Organic Chemistry professor told me Brief information on MONOBENZONE VS. ALPHA_ARBUTIN
O.K now MONO is very threatening to the health specially when using it in high percentages(ex. 5%, 10%, 15%, 20% etc….:mad: ) because it structural molecule substances are very hydrophobic (nonpolar). Mono's chemical structure has one to many benzene rings a and phenol groups technically speaking.mono nonpolar molecules can interfere and be mistakenly read as one of your DNA bases (nucleotides) which will disrupt the sequences of its cycle and will definitely create cancer.:eek: NOW REMEMBER :rolleyes: – the higher the percentage of mono, the more hydrophobic the molecule is which make it more easier to enter the cells and disrupt your DNA sequence
HOWEVER ALPHA-ARBUTIN is similar to MONO because it depigs but it does not do as much damage as mono:D . ALPHA-ARBUTIN molecule structure is more hydrophilic because the molecules has hydroxyl groups on the benzene rings and which makes it very unlikely to enter the cell because the molecule is polar. THIS CHEMICAL CAN BE A LITTLE RISKY TOO BUT NOT AS MUCH.
I THINK YOU WILL STILL GET THE RESUTLS YOU WANT
OOOOOOOO I have 2 chemical companies my professor is familiar with in the USA, so I will PM you them later
TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK. YOU TOO MELLOWKAT

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Doctors prescribe mono for people with vitiligo, are you sure about it causing cancer?

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Thanks Brown skin. Looking forward to the PM.;)

Do you know what kinda risk is associated with AA?? I think the lower the %, the less risk with any substance although, I haven't read about any side-effects with AA...

And you said AA depig like mono, does that mean there's the risk of getting totally white (as MJ) in high %??:eek:

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When you read about alpha-arbutin, it never mention anything about depiging, I'm sure I read that it does depig. See if you can find more information on it and get back to me:D

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when you read about alpha-arbutin, it never mention anything about depiging, I'm sure I read that it does depig. See if you can find more information on it and get back to me:D

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Yeah, I did read that it depigs but I also read that it doesn't depig like mono. Results from mono is irreversible meaning if you happen to get too white, there's not much you can do about it.

With AA, you can still tan naturally if you so wish... there's also far less risk of being disfigured... I've also read that at low %, it will only lighten your skin and not depig...

While researching AA, I've come across a lot of big legitimate companies selling products containing AA from the USA, UK, Western Europe etc... Also it is patented in Germany... As far as I know mono is not widely available even at low %.

I'm from the UK, and I know that here, it's not easy to get skin care products if it carries any risk (eg hydroquinone).

Germany is another country where it's impossible to get products with even minimal risk; so if AA is patented in Germany; that means it's considered quite safe.

Again, despite all the research, I'd recommend people to use it at low % and not jump straight to 20%.

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doctors prescribe mono for people with vitiligo, are you sure about it causing cancer?

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I not tryying to be RUDE:rolleyes: or anything but you must have knowledge about the composition of structural molecules, there reactivity with one another and there interaction with the human body inorder to know what I'm talking about.
I break it down in the other passage. CAREFULLY READ IT :D
It become more of a risk for cancer when using it ina HIGH PERCENTAGE (ex.10%>or maybe even less than this)
YES DOCTORS DO PRESCRIBE MONO BUT NOT AT HIGH PERCENTAGE /HIGH RISK CANCEROUS LEVELS

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hi brown skin, so what your professor said about using mono on healthy skin? what about the concentration, I did not understand, do we have to use high or low percentage? when he said damage that means is it in terms of blotchiness , AB won't cause that?

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HEY, everything I said in the other passage pertain to normal healthy skin and what can possibly happen to the skin.
On behalf of mono I never try it so I don't know what percentage is safe and my professor does not either BUT we do know how the molecular interaction works in the body with these high percentage hydrophoic molecules
PERSONALLY I THINK 1% IS MAYBE EVEN TO HIGH;)

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Yeah, I did read that it depigs but I also read that it doesn't depig like mono. Results from mono is irreversible meaning if you happen to get too white, there's not much you can do about it.

With AA, you can still tan naturally if you so wish....there's also far less risk of being disfigured...I've also read that at low %, it will only lighten your skin and not depig...

While researching AA, I've come across a lot of big legitimate companies selling products containing AA from the USA, UK, Western Europe etc...Also it is patented in Germany...As far as I know mono is not widely available even at low %.

I'm from the UK, and I know that here, it's not easy to get skin care products if it carries any risk (eg hydroquinone).

Germany is another country where it's impossible to get products with even minimal risk; so if AA is patented in Germany; that means it's considered quite safe.

Again, despite all the research, I'd recommend people to use it at low % and not jump straight to 20%.

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HEYYYYYYYYYY
I think I'm going to try 5% of AA, but I'm not sure YET
Are you considering to buy your product from germany:rolleyes: ? If so where (PM ME)
BIG QUESTION - I have an idea about how to dilute the AA but I'm not sure if I doing it right :confused: so, tell me how you are going to dilute it. I think you told someone how to but I did not understand it to well:confused: . So PM how you are going to do it
THHHHHHHHHANK YYYYYYYYOUUUUUUUU:D

Sent you a PM, Brown Skin.;)

Thank brown, so your professor thinks AA is not risky? I read somewhere that it will depig but you can still tan, how is that possible?
So there are no disasters from AA? Hope this is what we are looking for, if you don't mind would you tell me how to mix it and where to get the legit one, hope it is affordable? Thanks

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HEY, everything I said in other other pertain to normal healthy skin and what can possibly happen to the skin.
On behalf of mono I never try it so i dont know what percentage is safe and my professor does not either BUT we do know how the molecular interaction works in the body with these high percentage hydrophoic molecules
PERSONALLY I THINK 1% IS MAYBE EVEN TO HIGH;)

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Thank brown, so your professor thinks AA is not risky? I read somewhere that it will depig but you can still tan, how is that possible?
so there are no disasters from AA? hope this is what we are looking for, if you don't mind would you tell me how to mix it and where to get the legit one, hope it is affordable? thanks

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From my understanding this only means you can stop using the AA product and regain your pigmentation back,so that how you can tan technically speaking. I'm not sure how to dilute it that's what I'm tryying to find out:o
REMEMBER these are all opinions my professor and I NEVER experience using this product
So be wise about your decisions

Anyone tried AA yet? Where are yi getting it from? Anyone got results yet?

No one has tried it yet jojo... we're trying to gather as much info as possible before trying it...

But I'll certainly be trying it very soon (at low %), so I'll keep everyone posted...

And to mix it, since it's water-soluble... the best thing to do is mix it with distilled water until it is completely diluted before mixing with any lotion/cream...

Also, use distilled water and not tap water or mineral water; cause tap water contains chlorine and mineral water contains some mineral which might interfere with AA...

Distilled water is pure C02, which is available from pharmacy and quite cheap too... You can make your own if you have a distiller (cost about $150)... I saw someone selling it on Ebay although I won't be able to tell whether it is really distilled water or just tap water.. lol.. :p

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No one has tried it yet jojo...we're trying to gather as much info as possible before trying it...

But I'll certainly be trying it very soon (at low %), so I'll keep everyone posted...

And to mix it, since it's water-soluble...the best thing to do is mix it with distilled water until it is completely diluted before mixing with any lotion/cream...

Also, use distilled water and not tap water or mineral water; cause tap water contains chlorine and mineral water contains some mineral which might interfere with AA...

Distilled water is pure C02, which is available from pharmacy and quite cheap too... You can make your own if you have a distiller (cost about $150)...I saw someone selling it on Ebay although I won't be able to tell whether it is really distilled water or just tap water..lol..:p

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Hey I have been tryying to PM you but something is wrong with the system. I wanted to let you know that I will call them however, there stuff is really too cheap. What do you think:rolleyes:

Hey Brown Skin,

I've checked Somerset as well, and their price is about the same. But don't forget you'll get only 10g for $19.:rolleyes:

Compared this to herbalInn benzylarbutin (8oz for $200) and you'll find that it's not cheap at all if you need a lot more than 10grams

Hey guys! been posting a while, and i am still awaiting my mono mix
I will have it next week!

But, i have a question..

How many shades will you lighten with "ALPHA ARBUTIN"?
Or will you only "BRIGHTEN", like a half a shade or something?

I mean, who knows the science behind alpha arbutin lightening the original skin(not dark patches, or melasma)... i mean, the whole original complexion
I mean, lightening like 2-4 shades with alpha arbutin?
Can you apply under the eyes, with alpha arbutin?
At least with mono, it will evenyually lighten under the eye area, because it is sytemetatic...

So again , i am thinking of using alpha arbutin ,
However i would like to know if it will lighten in shades, more then like 2-4?

Thanks!

And this is not knocking alpha arbutin, i just would like to know.

I have a good source to get the alpha arbutin, as well as mono, but before i buy i want to know if it will be a waste of... ummm time..

Also, alpha arbutin is not stable all the time, and i heard it looses it's effectiveness after awhile...
So let me know something, you beautifu people!!

Sheral Girl

Is Your Pm Working Yet ?

I Tried To Send You An Email

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HEY guys!!been posting a while, and I am still awaiting my mono mix
I will have it next week!!

but, I have a question..

HOW MANY SHADES WILL YOU LIGHTEN WITH "ALPHA ARBUTIN"?
OR WILL YOU ONLY "BRIGHTEN", LIKE A HALF A SHADE OR SOMETHING?

I MEAN, WHO KNOWS THE SCIENCE BEHIND ALPHA ARBUTIN LIGHTENING THE ORIGINAL SKIN(NOT DARK PATCHES, OR MELASMA) ...I MEAN, THE WHOLE ORIGINAL COMPLEXION
I MEAN, LIGHTENING LIKE 2-4 SHADES WITH ALPHA ARBUTIN?
CAN YOU APPLY UNDER THE EYES, WITH ALPHA ARBUTIN?
ATLEAST WITH MONO, IT WILL EVENYUALLY LIGHTEN UNDER THE EYE AREA, BECAUSE IT IS SYTEMETATIC...

SO AGAIN , I AM THINKING OF USING ALPHA ARBUTIN ,
HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF IT WILL LIGHTEN IN SHADES, MORE THEN LIKE 2-4?

THANKS!!

AND THIS IS NOT KNOCKING ALPHA ARBUTIN, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

I HAVE A GOOD SOURCE TO GET THE ALPHA ARBUTIN, AS WELL AS MONO, BUT BEFORE I BUY I WANT TO KNOW IF IT WILL BE A WASTE OF ...UMMM TIME..

ALSO, ALPHA ARBUTIN IS NOT STABLE ALL THE TIME, AND I HEARD IT LOOSES IT'S EFFECTIVENESS AFTER AWHILE...
SO LET ME KNOW SOMETHING, YOU BEAUTIFU PEOPLE!!!

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HEYYYYYYYY
From my understanding I don't think anyone on here yet experience alpha-arbutin, but we have been comparing it with mono because AA is suppose to depig like mono(may be 1-2shades lighter with less side affect. We have been chatting about both of there chemical sturtures. Our results is that mono is more Permeable to the cell and cause DNA interfere than AA (THIS IS A BIG FACTOR TO CONSIDER):rolleyes:
Also no one has tryyed it yet because we can't find a company that is trust worhty to purchase from. CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME THE COMPNAY YOU BUYING IT FROM AND THERE WEBSITE :D PM me if you feel more comfortable.
NOTE: we are just chatting about both chemical surtures and do reseach
GET BACK < LETS TALK

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Sheral Girl

Is Your Pm Working Yet ?

I Tried To Send You An Email

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My PM is not working but I am going to try later

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Hey Brown Skin,

I've checked Somerset as well, and their price is about the same. But don't forget you'll get only 10g for $19.:rolleyes:

Compared this to herbalInn benzylarbutin (8oz for $200) and you'll find that it's not cheap at all if you need a lot more than 10grams

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I going to call them and see what happens

Hey you guys was up I'm new and I've been reading all 52 pages sonds to me like we almost made a few bad mistakes I was wondering since I'm around like a whoppi goldburges color or even darker cough cough (flavor flav) do you think its possible for me to get to the same color as cassie the singers color by using (AA)

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hey you guys wuz up im new and ive been reading all 52 pages sonds 2 me like we almost made a few bad mistakes i was wondering since im around like a whoppi goldburges color or even darker cough cough (flavor flav) do you think its possible for me to get to the same color as cassie the singers color by using (AA)

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Maybe just don't use hydroquione

Hydroquinone will give you an unatural reddish color if you are darkskin I'VE SEEN NIGERIAN WOMEN AND 1. THEY WERE STILL DARK 2. THEY HAD THAT WEIRD REDDISH COLOR

But cassie has beautiful skin (and I love her music btw)

I want to be around cassie's or jessica alba's color

So what should I use because most of the people on these boards are already like a olive or a medium color or just trying to even out there skin tone I feel so lost I just want someone to talk 2 because ever1 in my family is lightskinned and whenever I come around there like here comes the black sheep the ugly n*gga babi and that's just some of the nice stuff they say to me I never use to be this dark I just got sunburnned really bad ):