All I want to know is gay (boy) sex wrong, Im just asking because I don't really think it's wrong, and my because asked me to put this here just to make fun of but I really want to know is it wrong
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All I want to know is gay (boy) sex wrong, Im just asking because I don't really think it's wrong, and my because asked me to put this here just to make fun of but I really want to know is it wrong
If you are a minor and under age, any sex gay or straight is wrong and the parties could go to jail, esp if one is over age,
And to my moral and religious values, yes gay sex is wrong
I see nothing wrong with gay sex, between men OR women. It's as natural as straight sex.
Do I want to see two gay men having sex? no. but I don't really want to see a man and a woman having sex, either.
If you are not a legal adult, there's a good chance that sex is wrong yes. I agree with the first answer. Whether it is wrong, really depends on your religious and moral beliefs.
I think that SOME homosexual behavior is okay, but none of it is "natural."
Yes it's wrong, adult or not.
It is not wrong if you love someone or really care, attracted to, there is nothing wrong with that. You can't help who you like or want to sleep with really
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Being gay goes far beyond love, attraction, and care for someone. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, meaning, if you claim to be gay, you are letting people know that you prefer to sleep with the same sex, as oppose to the opposite sex. Sexual orientation is the direction of sexual attraction, not just having crushes, or caring for someone of the same sex.
Also, you CAN really help who you want to sleep with. If we couldn't help it, we'd all be running around sleeping with everyone, without any control.
I'm heterosexual, yes. I choose to have sex exclusively with my husband- no one else... and I have the self-control to do that. Also, a homosexual, or bisexual lifestyle is an option for me. I could easily choose to sleep with women instead of men, but I don't. Why not? Well, greatly because the way I was raised discourages it, and also because, well, I don't want to have sex with anyone except for my husband.
Some people can, but others cannot. A classmate of mine in high school committed suicide because of the flak he caught being gay. I think if it was a choice for him, he`d choose not to do it and let it get so bad he felt he had to take his own life.
Homosexuality is NOT a choice.
No one would CHOOSE to risk losing all their friends and family.
No one would CHOOSE to risk losing their job. (in many states it is still completely legal to fire someone, or refuse to hire them, based solely on their real, or perceived, sexual orientation.)
No one would CHOOSE to be bullied, harassed, tortured, and verbally assaulted.
No one would CHOOSE to be among one of the ONLY groups in the US that has little or NO support and protection under the law. (most states have no laws to protect the LGBT community.)
No one would CHOOSE to possibly lose their children for no other reason than who they love. (some states have the legal right to take children out of LGBT households without real cause.)
No one would CHOOSE to be denied access/membership to organizations, clubs, churches, and facilities. (anti-discrimination laws in most states do not extend to the LGBT community.)
No one would CHOOSE to be arrested just for having sex with their partner. (some areas still have, and enforce, laws prohibiting anal, and sometimes oral, intercourse. It is almost always the LGBT community that is targeted when local authorities do choose to enforce the law.)
No one would CHOOSE to have to edit everything they do and say just to prevent anyone from discovering the truth.
No one would CHOOSE to have their partnership of several years deemed as worthless in the eyes of the law.
No one would CHOOSE to die alone because their partner isn't allowed in the hospital room with them.
No one would CHOOSE to lose their children because their partner died, and they were never legally allowed to adopt them.
The federal government finally passed a law last October to protect the LGBT community from hate crimes under the federal hate crimes laws. The law still requires proof that the victim was singled out because of their real, or perceived, orientation. Proof that doesn't always exist, especially if there are no living witnesses, or the local authorities choose to ignore that aspect of the crime.
Statistics show that LGBT teens may be up to FOUR times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual peers.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but heterosexuality is also a sexual orientation, meaning that since you're married to a man and you're a woman, you are letting people know that you prefer to sleep with the opposite sex. See how ridiculous that statement is?Quote:
Being gay goes far beyond love, attraction, and care for someone. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, meaning, if you claim to be gay, you are letting people know that you prefer to sleep with the same sex, as oppose to the opposite sex.
And your point is?Quote:
Sexual orientation is the direction of sexual attraction, not just having crushes, or caring for someone of the same sex.
So, if you were in an arranged marriage and you hated the man you married, you could still willingly have sex with him? Sure, you could try, but would it be something you really wanted? Would it be against your nature or would you be okay with it because you don't have a choice? See where I'm going with this?Quote:
Also, you CAN really help who you want to sleep with. If we couldn't help it, we'd all be running around sleeping with everyone, without any control.
Expecting someone that's gay to just pretend they're not because you don't like it, make them have a relationship with the opposite sex because you think their sexual orientation can be controlled, that's just ridiculous. Would you sleep with a woman if everyone decided that heterosexuality was wrong?
What does that have to do with homosexuality? You chose your husband, your mate, your life partner. I'm assuming that you fell in love and that's why you married him. Am I right? You made vows to him, so I would hope that you could restrain yourself and only have sex with him.Quote:
I'm heterosexual, yes. I choose to have sex exclusively with my husband- no one else... and I have the self-control to do that.
Are you saying that homosexuals sleep around? Well I know many of them would get married (like you did) to the person they love (like you did) if narrow minded people would just allow it. Even without marriage though, they don't need a document to remain faithful. So I ask again, what does your statement have to do with homosexuality?
It's an option for you? I'm not gay, or bi, so for me it's not an option to have sex with a woman, just like it's not an option for my gay friends to have sex with a member of the opposite sex. You see, that's not their sexual orientation. If you're bi, great, although that does make me question why you're against homosexuality, but most people are either gay or straight, they don't have your options.Quote:
Also, a homosexual, or bisexual lifestyle is an option for me. I could easily choose to sleep with women instead of men, but I don't.
I'm confused. So you're bi but because of the way you were raised you've suppressed it? Well, that's a bit sad but, you are married, so it shouldn't be an issue anyway. Being bi doesn't mean sleeping around, just like being homosexual or heterosexual doesn't mean sleeping around. Most people do remain faithful once they find a person to love.Quote:
Why not? Well, greatly because the way I was raised discourages it, and also because, well, I don't want to have sex with anyone except for my husband.
I totally agree with you 200% Jaime90. Being gay is a choice. It's a very uneducated statement to say otherwise. First of all, how can anyone be born that way when their anatomy alone is not designed to have physical relations with the same sex. It is totally un-natural. Not only does it go against any religious laws, but against the laws of nature as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaime90
This is a pretty bold statement to make. Do you have proof to back it up, because many studies have been done to show that you're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkdays
Why would anyone choose to be hated because of their sexual orientation? Why is it that it takes so many gay people years to come out because they're afraid. If it really was a choice then why wouldn't they choose to be straight, it's definitely easier because it's more acceptable by society as a whole. Sad but true.
So, if it's a choice, who would choose it?
Are you attracted to the same sex? If not, why not, after all, you can choose, right?
I don't know if I would call that a bold statement, but it is a correct one. If you are a male, you are not designed by nature to have sex with another male, or female for female. Correct? Seems obvious to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
And why would they choose to be hated? I don't know. I don't think anyobne chooses to be hated. That is really irrelevant to the topic.
Why wouldn't they choose to be straight? Because they chose to be gay.
If it's a choice, who would choose it? I guess the ones who chose to be gay.
Am I attracted to the same sex? Obviously not.
And why not? Because I choose not to be gay. Im not forced to have sex with women, but I prefer to. I couldn't think of having sex with another man, that's just plain gross.
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I don't know if I would call that a bold statement, but it is a correct one. If you are a male, you are not designed by nature to have sex with another male, or female for female. Correct? Seems obvious to me.
Studies have shown that you're supposedly educated statement is far from educated. Being gay is not a choice. Unless you have studies by reputable scientists to say otherwise, this is your belief and has no bearing on reality. I can show you many studies that support what I say, that being gay isn't a choice, you're born that way.Quote:
Being gay is a choice. It's a very uneducated statement to say otherwise
I prefer to have sex with men, my husband to be exact, but that doesn't mean anything. I love him, I'm attracted to him, that's why I married him.Quote:
Im not forced to have sex with women, but I prefer to. I couldn't think of having sex with another man, that's just plain gross.
What you're saying is that people can choose who they are attracted to. Can you? If I send a woman to you that is completely the opposite of what you're attracted to, someone that you think is "gross" would you sleep with her? If not, why?
Also, saying that sex between two men is gross, well, that's your opinion. No one asked you to watch, so I don't see the problem.
I think your really missing the point there altenweg. If a man, who is designed by nature to have sex with women, decides to have sex with men, who he is not naturally designed to have sex with , then that's a choice. He was not born that way. How can he be if he wasn't even designed to do so.
Im sorry, but what you say just doesn't make any sense at all.
No, I am very uneducated? I graduated high school near the top of my class. I've attended 4 years of classes at a private college. I've done extensive research into homosexuality, both for scholastic and independent reasons. I have talked to dozens of members of the LGBT community. Oh yeah, and I've been a member of the LGBT community for several years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkdays
So, I'm uneducated? Research, interviews, conversations, and personal experience don't count as knowledge or an education? Since when? If that's the case, then how exactly DO you gain knowledge on subject?
Where does YOUR knowledge on the subject come from? I assume, since you claim that the rest of us are uneducated, that you must have a fairly extensive education on the matter? Have you read scientific studies? Impartial surveys? Talked to anyone in the LGBT community? If not, then how can you claim to have any real knowledge on the subject?
As for it being against the laws of nature; did you know that there are MANY species of animals that exhibit homosexual behavior in nature?
If you don't believe me, then have a look. Take particular notice of THIS quote:
"No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphids. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue."
—Petter Bøckman
List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No, it is NOT irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkdays
The LGBT community is among the most hated world-wide. They are the victims of harassment, abuse, bullying, shunning, teasing, exile, violence, and even murder. None of which ANYONE would willing choose to be the victims of.
So you're talking about plumbing? That's why you think it's a choice, because of body parts? That's the silliest thing I've ever heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkdays
Have you ever had a girl go down on you? If so, guess what, your penis wasn't designed to go in there. In fact, it's against the very laws of nature and religion because sex was meant for procreation. We all know you can't get pregnant that way. ;)
I'm going with science on this one, and science has proven that being gay is not a choice. Until you can provide proof to back up your claims, I'm sticking with people that know what they're talking about. :)
Don't forget the fact that humans are the only species that participate in oral and anal sex. Humans, dolphins, and some chimps are the only species where the females are capable of orgasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
So, by your reasoning, anal sex, oral sex, and the female orgasm are all against the laws of nature.
This is why I'm against organized religion. They claim to love everyone, to do God's work, but clearly they hate.
I'm raising my kids to accept everyone for who they are, not their race, their sex, their sexual orientation, their religion or lack thereof. Hopefully the next generation will learn to love their fellow man.
I'm tired of people thinking that it's okay to hate because it's their religious belief. That makes no sense!
I choose acceptance. In that light, Dardays, I accept your right to be homophobic. I don't agree with it, I think the world would be better without beliefs like yours, but sadly, you do have the right to your misguided opinion.
I guess it's up to the none religious people to bring true peace to the world.
This whole argument reminds me of two pigeons my mother has in her flypen. They are both obviously male, and they are a pair. They (attempt) to mate, will sit on eggs and raise them if you give them some, and otherwise act like a regular couple. Except they are both boys..
I guess pigeons can choose too!
Aww, they sound like sweet birds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sariss
Studies have only been done on gay men. If there are, technically speaking, homosexual babies born, then asexuals, and pansexuals must've been born that way too.
How do we know how to treat the opposite sex? How do we get our views on the opposite sex? We learn them. It's how we are raised, what culture we are raised in, who we are, and how we form our opinions. We aren't born with these opinions, preferences, and behaviors, we LEARN them. So, why not our sexual orientation? Who's to say that homosexuals, pansexuals, asexuals, and heterosexuals aren't just steered in that direction at some point in time in our lives?
That could definitely be a factor, but there are others.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaime90
While they have yet to isolate a single gene that controls sexual orientation, they have proven that hormones play a huge part. Gay men produce larger quantities of estrogen. Gay women usually produce larger quantities of testosterone. That's where the stereotypical looks comes from.
However, correcting the imbalance does NOT change their orientation.
The human body, especially the brain, is just too complex for one answer to fit every situation.
Well yeah. Women who work have more testosterone than women who choose to be homemakers. That doesn't mean that women have no choice when it comes to staying at home, or working-their hormones don't mean that they were just born that way. For women hormone levels are always going up and down, and so are adolescents hormones. So does a woman have more testosterone because she works, or does a woman work because she has more testosterone? Is a woman lesbian because she has more testosterone, or does she have more testosterone because she is lesbian?
Female sexuality isn't cut and dry. It can be fluid and ever changing. It's just the way the female brain is wired, change is easier for them.
Male sexuality, on the other hand, is very black and white. Somewhere around 99% of men are either gay or straight. VERY few are truly bisexual. And, it's even more rare for a male's sexuality to change once puberty is reached.
Are you saying that men are going to be gay or straight BEFORE they hit puberty, and it won't change after that? I've NEVER heard of a 13, 14 year old boy stating that he prefers to sleep with men over women. Most 13, and 14 year old boys have never had their first kiss. And, it's a good thing too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hheath541
Yes. Most LGBT youth know their orientation by the age of 13. It doesn't mean they admit it to anyone. Just that when they finally do come out, they admit to recognizing the feelings from an early age.
Also, orientation is NOT dependent on the sexual act. Just like someone can know they're straight and still be a virgin, someone who's a virgin can know they're gay or bi.
Transsexual youth, on the other hand, recognize feeling different at a much younger age. It is not uncommon for parents to recount stories of their children wanting to be the opposite sex, even to the point of pretending and telling people that are. All, often, before they even reach grade school.
Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, and by definition it is "the direction of your sexual attraction..." Meaning, in order to claim to be "bi, gay, straight, or otherwise" you have to know who you are sexually attracted to. Sexual orientation goes beyond crushes, and mere attraction for someone, it comes down to your sexual attraction.Quote:
Originally Posted by hheath541
Yes, but too many people believe that it's impossible to be gay unless you've had gay sex. That simply isn't true.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaime90
Did you know that you were heterosexual before you had sex? I'm guessing you did. I know I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaime90
I've never eve been curious about the same sex, other then friendship. I was always attracted to men, always will be. You've said the same thing.
I have a lot of gay friends and yes, they knew from an early age. Some of them tried dating members of the opposite sex, they tried to fit in to what society considers okay, the norm. It didn't work. A few of them even went so far as to get married because they didn't want to admit that they were gay.
It's not a choice. As I said before, and others have said, who would choose to be something that most of society cannot accept, doesn't tolerate, even hates?
Saying it's a choice isn't logical. Think about it.
I'm not about to get into my own sexuality. I know a lot of gay/bisexual people too, some of my family members are gay. Most of them are teenagers, and the reason why they claim to be bi/gay is to get attention in their school. Especially when it comes to females claiming "bisexuality." The guys think it's hot, and they can still have "straight" sex without violating their own terms.
Altenweg, remember what I said before? Yes, a lot of society doesn't agree with homosexuality, that isn't a good enough argument. You ask: why would someone choose something that most of OUR culture doesn't agree with?
Well, why do Chinese people choose to become Christians when it's illegal in their country? Why would muslims convert when it means the death penalty? Why would anyone CHOOSE to be a Christian when most of THEIR society disagrees with it, even to the point of killing people for their faith. Does that make Christianity a choice, or were Christians just born that way?
I could say the same for several other things in this world. Why would an atheist choose to believe what they believe if they know their Christian family would disown them? Why would someone get a tattoo and piercings when they know that they would be less likely to get hired by potential employers, and would be looked down on by others? Why would a man be sexist if he knows his girlfriend would breakup with him? Why would someone choose to be racist when most of our society disagrees with racism? Why would I choose to be 100% okay with gay marriage, while being nagged at, ridiculed, and scolded by fellow Christians? Well, maybe I was just born with that opinion? Maybe that person was just born with those tattoos? Maybe that atheist was just, born atheist? Maybe people are born sexist and racist too.
We all have the option to get tattoos or not, to be atheist or not, to be christian or not, to agree with certain things or not, to be racist, or sexist, or to not. To have sex with the same sex, or to have sex with the opposite sex... These are all options open to us all. So why do we choose what we choose?
It doesn't make sense, you need a different argument.
Sadly that is happening more and more and it's a shame, not only for them, but for the people that really are struggling with their sexual identity. They're making a mockery out of it and only doing it for attention while the people really struggling with this issue have no one to turn to (most times).Quote:
Most of them are teenagers, and the reason why they claim to be bi/gay is to get attention in their school. Especially when it comes to females claiming "bisexuality." The guys think it's hot, and they can still have "straight" sex without violating their own terms.
Those are two very different issues. Homosexuality is a part of you, a part of your body, how you work. It's not a choice. Religion is very much a choice and some people love the idea of being martyrs.Quote:
Well, why do Chinese people choose to become Christians when it's illegal in their country? Why would muslims convert when it means the death penalty? Why would anyone CHOOSE to be a Christian when most of THEIR society disagrees with it, even to the point of killing people for their faith. Does that make Christianity a choice, or were Christians just born that way?
If you're going to try to make a comparison then at least choose something that is comparable.
Again, these examples aren't comparable. Anyone can walk into a tattoo shop and get a tattoo, that is a choice. Being an atheist is a choice, everything you've cited is a choice. Once again, being gay isn't.Quote:
I could say the same for several other things in this world. Why would an atheist choose to believe what they believe if they know their Christian family would disown them? Why would someone get a tattoo and piercings when they know that they would be less likely to get hired by potential employers, and would be looked down on by others? Why would a man be sexist if he knows his girlfriend would breakup with him? Why would someone choose to be racist when most of our society disagrees with racism? Why would I choose to be 100% okay with gay marriage, while being nagged at, ridiculed, and scolded by fellow Christians? Well, maybe I was just born with that opinion? Maybe that person was just born with those tattoos? Maybe that atheist was just, born atheist? Maybe people are born sexist and racist too.
Find something comparable. So far you haven't.
So far my argument is sound. Yours holds no merit.Quote:
It doesn't make sense, you need a different argument.
Think about it. Really think about it. Not with the beliefs you were raised with, not with the idea that because the bible may mention gays being wrong that you have to agree because you're Christian. Think for yourself and open your mind enough to at least read what I'm saying without discounting it immediately.
There have been studies done showing that yes, gays are born gay, just like heterosexuals are born heterosexual. I trust science, it's been proven. Religion, well, that's just a belief, one you have a right to, but still just a belief.
If you can show a study where scientists say without a doubt that gays choose to be gay, then I'd like to read it.
The fact is, I do understand why you believe what you believe. You have to, otherwise you have to admit that you are a hater, that you don't accept the gay community. It's easier to believe that they have a choice and therefore it's okay to segregate them, because they made their beds.
If you accept the facts, that gays are gays because they're gays, then your segregation of them is just mean, and you don't want to admit that you might be that person.
Really, I understand. I went to Catholic school for 10 years, I understand justifying your hatred. That's why I'm a Deist.
Altenweg, you make me laugh. Did you forget the part where I said that I'm 100% FOR gay marriage, and I'm NOT against them at all? For some reason you think that I hate them. Now what made you think that?
I just don't think that gays are born gay, simple as that. How does that make me hate them? I don't! In fact, I recall saying something about me being nagged, ridiculed, and scolded by fellow Christians for being all for homosexuality... Does that ring a bell?
It's not right of you to assume that since I'm a Christian that I'm some gay hater, and that I don't want to admit things, etc. etc. I'm completely for gays, and I'm not Catholic. Don't assume that you know things about me when you clearly don't.
Okay, I totally read that wrong and I apologize. I'm on a lot of medication right now, I'll blame it on that. ;)Quote:
Altenweg, you make me laugh. Did you forget the part where I said that I'm 100% FOR gay marriage, and I'm NOT against them at all? For some reason you think that I hate them. Now what made you think that?
I never meant to imply that you're a gay hater, what I'm saying is that most Christians justify not accepting gays because of the bible, instead of thinking for themselves. Again, not doing so well, probably should have re-read my post before posting it.Quote:
It's not right of you to assume that since I'm a Christian that I'm some gay hater, and that I don't want to admit things, etc. etc. I'm completely for gays, and I'm not Catholic. Don't assume that you know things about me when you clearly don't.
Obviously you can tell that I feel very passionately about this subject. I also have done enough research and read enough scientific evidence that I really don't believe that being Gay is a choice, in fact, I'm certain it isn't. I hope that we can agree to disagree.
Again, if I said something that upset you or insulted you, I apologize, that really wasn't my intention.
Also, call me Alty, everyone does. Altenweg is just to long.
Yeah. We can agree to disagree. In my opinion, it's not whether being gay is a choice that's the problem- it's accepting them in the first place, whether it is a choice or they were born that way. And it sickens me to think that so few Christians are able to do that. It makes me embarrassed for them, to think that they are basically fighting a losing battle.
I've got a friend that I call Alty. That's cool.
I thought I was the only Alty. So sad. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jaime90
That's what also bothers me, the unwillingness to accept gays. You see, I thought we were on different sides of the fence, and as I said, this issue is something I will fight for, because I don't think it's right to ostracize gays just for being gay. I just don't understand that kind of hate. People are people, no matter what.
I live in Canada. Here gays can marry. I just don't see why people can't just accept it and move on. No one is asking them to embrace the gay lifestyle, or gays period, but at least let them have legal rights, have the same rights everyone else does.
Okay, that's another debate. I won't go there. ;)
The fact is, I really think you give good advice Jaimie, so even if we disagree, I hope we can discuss it rationally. I promise that next time I'll warn you if it's something I'm really passionate about. :) I also hope to be in better shape next time, then I may not be as emotional.
Yeah, I live in Wisconsin. Here gays are able to enter into a legal union, but not specifically "marriage." I agree with everything you said completely.
I can understand you're point of view, but it still upsets me. One thing I will probably NEVER forgive my mother for telling me she would accept my 'choice' when I came out to her. It hurt. Deeply. More than anyone who hasn't gone through it can ever possibly begin to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaime90
I worried myself to the point of becoming physically ill before I finally came out to her. I figured, that since she had a sister that had come out in the 80's and then killed herself, partially because my mother was the only member of the family that didn't disown and shun her, that she would be more accepting. That she would understand it was something I had no control over. Instead, she basically told me that all the stress, mental anguish, turmoil, panic, doubt, and a myriad of other emotions were something I brought on myself. That it was all my fault.
While I was living in the dorms during college, I was the victim of hate crimes. I had very offensive and homophobic notes put on my door. There were comments. I even lost almost all my friends, some because I was gay and others because I wasn't 'gay enough' for them.
All of that happened before I ever had sex for the first time.
I KNEW I was gay. It didn't matter that I'd only ever kissed one person. It didn't matter that I'd never done more than kiss someone. It didn't matter that I had never even masturbated. It didn't matter that I'd never fantasized or dreamed about anyone. It was something I just KNEW.
Once I finally admitted it to myself, I was able to reexamine my past relationships. I am a pro at suppressing and burying my emotions. For as long as I can remember, all the way back through grade school, I had gay thoughts. 'pretty.' 'cute butt.' 'nice lips.' every time I caught myself thinking thoughts I somehow KNEW I could never let anyone ever know I'd thought, I would close my eyes and sing silent night in my head over and over until I forgot what I'd been thinking. I was CONVINCED that someone would hear my thoughts and I'd be locked up in a mental ward and never see my friends or family again.
I distinctly remember standing in the lunch line when I was in about 4th or 5th grade and closing my eyes and singing as loud as I could in my head. I was so busy blocking out thoughts of a classmate that the person behind had to shove me to let me know the line moved.
I was TERRIFIED that the one time I forgot to sing someone would hear my thoughts and I'd be locked up and everyone would hate me. There are STILL times I find myself singing, and I have to make a conscious effort to stop myself and remind myself that it's OK to have those thoughts. That no one is going to hear my thoughts and lock me up for the rest of my life.
I don't remember anyone ever telling me that being gay was bad. I have no idea where I got the idea that someone could hear my thoughts.
Wherever I got that idea, it inspired a fear so deep that I would just shut down. I'd stop whatever I was doing so I could close my eyes and sing until the fear went away.
Do you think an 8 year old would CHOOSE that fear? Or would even know what a choice like that would MEAN?
I didn't even really know what it meant to be gay. I knew my aunt had liked girls and had a girlfriend. I knew they'd stuck into a local arboretum at night to get 'married' by a friend of their because they weren't allowed to have a real marriage. I knew they probably held hands, and maybe even kissed. It wasn't something that was real, or even made sense, to me. I'm not sure I even knew gay men existed.
Are you saying my 8 year old self, who didn't even know what being gay really meant, chose to be gay? Are you saying I chose to have thoughts that terrified me? That I chose to be plagued by the fear that my entire family would hate me (because, after all, they had hated my aunt for liking girls) and I would spend the rest of my life alone in an empty room? Are you saying, that little kid chose to think that some people were pretty and others weren't?
If I could redo my life, I would take away that fear. I have a feeling my life would've been a lot happier. Maybe I wouldn't have tried to kill myself when I was 10. Maybe I would've been making friends, instead of hiding in books. Maybe I wouldn't have all the problems I have today facing my emotions and processing them in a healthy way, instead of suppressing them until I become self-destructive and have a complete break-down. Maybe I wouldn't be so scared to be honest about who I am. Maybe.
No there is no wrong no matter who says what that's their opinion if someone choses to be gay then there is a true feeling for it I have a few friends that are gay and bi and they are in real love 2 of them are getting married. It is a choice you choose to be with. Some people arnt raised that way and are raised that it is wrong. No it is not wrong you can not help the way you are even if people judge you people are s! If you were a guy and your favorite thing was fashion you wouldn't stop doing it because other people thought it was weird you would do it because that's who you are. It's their choice not everyone else's it's their lives and if their familey can't except it then that's their problem and their loss.ok some people its just against their religion then that's their problem let them think that. The truth is people out their today if their bi,lez, or gay it doesn't matter you are who you are and there is nothing wrong with that if people have a problem with it tell them to go to hell you shouldn't no be who you are because of peoples insacurity how ever that's spelled. So all you haters need to get a life and look at the actuall picture here not because you think its strange think about their feelings I would know I used to be biQuote:
Originally Posted by iwant2knowmore
I do not believe it is wrong.
My best guy friend is gay, & my best girl friend who is like my sister is lesbian..
Think of it this way,
"How do you really, truely know who is right & who is wrong?
How do you know that Straight people aren't the ones who are wrong?"
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