I have a question. I have been evaluated and do have some bouts of depression but not as bad as they used to be and I am NOT suicidal. I have to wait for my insurance kicks in to get therapy. I know what my issues are. Some from unresolved childhood and adult issues and some require behavior modification. I know this. My "family" says they have diagnosed me and want to have me committed. How is that possible? I know I cannot go through treatment and have contact with them. It would not be beneficial at all and I think that is what they are more upset about. They are under a lot of assumptions based on their own issues/illnesses and self diagnosis. It is confusing but true. I need to be accountable for me. Can they do this?

How old are you ? Are you living with family ?

And of course you have self diagnosis also and you believe yours is right and theirs is wrong.

If you are in the US, you can get mental health treatment though local centers normlaly based on your income and ability to pay. So not getting a treatment is really not an excuse.

But each state has its own rules on family getting you committed for evaluation. So if they meet those requirements, they can have you sent for the intitial evaluatoin

They cannot have you committed unless you are a danger to yourself or others.

I do not have a diagnosis yet so I do not know what it is. I know what some of the issues are by my behavior. Those have been brought out in other therapy sessions. I do not know a concrete diagnosis other than some behavior requires modification which we were working on before my family stepped in with their thoughts. At 17 my mother said what the psychiatrist told me was bull**** and 2 years ago my parents said they called the center and I do not exist so they did not believe I was in treatment. I know they would not give out that information but I felt threatened and did not go back. Besides my insurance stopped because of a job change. I do NOT live with family. I live alone quite well, calmly, and independently and work full-time. I do not do drugs (never have), no alcohol, and take only a prescription drug for when I had my thyroid removed. The ONLY thing that makes me anxious is my family.

I was told by the center after I went in for an evaluation to come back in when my insurance kicks in?
I do not drive but the center is next door to me.

Again the assumption came from u that I am self diagnosed. This is not true. I was determined both times I have been in therapy that I have some depression but other issues that cause it stemming from anxiety which we were getting to.

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I do not have a diagnosis yet so I do not know what it is. I know what some of the issues are by my behavior. Those have been brought out in other therapy sessions. I do not know a concrete diagnosis other than some behavior requires modification which we were working on before my family stepped in with their thoughts. At 17 my mother said what the psychiatrist told me was bull**** and 2 years ago my parents said they called the center and I do not exist so they did not believe I was in treatment. I know they would not give out that information but I felt threatened and did not go back. Besides my insurance stopped because of a job change. I do NOT live with family. I live alone quite well, calmly, and independently and work full-time. I do not do drugs (never have), no alcohol, and take only a prescription drug for when I had my thyroid removed. The ONLY thing that makes me anxious is my family.

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You are self sufficient, live on your own, employed, clearly lucid and have been previously evaluated and advised to return when insurance is available. I can see no possible basis for an involuntary commitment.

NOTE: I responded to this question earlier and don't see the response?
Basically, echoing J_9 observation of the standard for involuntary commitments. Here is a link to my original response: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/mental...d-86642-2.html

I appreciate your response. I was thinking this was the case based on what I had been told in previous counseling but I have 2 member of my family calling me to tell me otherwise. I have not had contact with them for quite some time but they call me.

They are not aware that I have gone in for another evaluation but I did tell them that I am being helped quite sufficiently on my end. They want to be involved again. My therapists do not believe this is helpful.

To reiterate what J_9 said, no one can commit you unless you are a danger to yourself or to others. Just tell your pushy relatives, "Thanks for worrying about me. I'm working on it."

These relatives are probably part of your problem. They're starting to be part of mine! Respond to them in vague terms.

Thank you. I appreciate it. Less anxious now. : )

Actually, you sound totally delightful. Continue on with the plan you've outlined here. And pop in on this board to keep us up to date with how things are going. We won't be pushy! :D

Will do. Thank you. And uhhh... my family hates vague anything so even though I know I do not have to disclose all to them and I do not... the phone calls just keep on coming. Any more, I just do not answer it. LOL.

Hey! You're busy with Christmas. Too bad they need details. Tell them the story of "The Three Bears." Or tell them your counselor (me -- and I am one) has told you not to divulge details right now, not good for your recovery.

I completely agree with Wondergirl.

Tell them that you appreciate their concern, but this is something you have to work out for yourself. Don't be negative toward them, but it's important for them to know that this is something that you feel "uncomfortable" talking about at this point.

Yes that has been done. That is part of my problem. I am NOT assertive enough with them. "the caretaker" Part of what I have to change. I am on the road. I'm not, by nature, negative or an easily angered or upset person as it is. I wake happy! TY

We're rooting for you, belgia. Please keep us informed as to how this is going.

You have us on your side Belgia! 1

Stay positive!!

Thank u all for your feedback. I appreciate it. Bless u. Good will in the New Year.

Hmm. Bad news. Insurance is active. I pay 55.00 a week for full coverage insurance and therapy is not part of the package. In order for me to get covered therapy, I have to either go to the emergency room and lie about the severity of what is going on or ask for psych counsel in a way that would reflect that I am depressed to a suicidal atate or harmful? WHAT is that? I am better off where I am at. In the end, the solution would drain the social services budget for something that could be resolved in a MUCH more effective way. So, first I am told I cannot be deemed a valued patient without active insurance. Now that I have it, it is not worth anything. The alternative is to go to social services and act like an insane idiot. Gee, think I'll just read a book. Whole new meaning to "heal thyself".

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Hmm. Bad news. Insurance is active. I pay 55.00 a week for full coverage insurance and therapy is not part of the package. In order for me to get covered therapy, I have to either go to the emergency room and lie about the severity of what is going on or ask for psych counsel in a way that would reflect that I am depressed to a suicidal atate or harmful? WHAT is that? I am better off where I am at. In the end, the solution would drain the social services budget for something that could be resolved in a MUCH more effective way. So, first I am told I cannot be deemed a valued patient without active insurance. Now that I have it, it is not worth anything. The alternative is to go to social services and act like an insane idiot. Gee, think I'll just read a book. Whole new meaning to "heal thyself".

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There's another way. Many counselors have a sliding scale and will charge you based on your income, or at least will work out an agreement with you to pay so much a session. Some will even work out a bargaining deal with you -- he counsels and you, for instance, bake two dozen cookies for him for each session :) or teach him how to play bridge :).

Many times I accepted $25 or less per session or have even done a trade -- counseling for goods/services. The important thing is that you pay something, so the counseling has value to you.

Well, the insurance has the copay of 25.00 not a problem. I still can't get them to pay without compromising my saneness. LOL. I am going to try one other place after I move. Strategy mode, as usual. Emotions in brick walls. LOL but not so funny.

Feel like I'm in some kind of weird movie or dream with the plot being this enigma of a journey minus the chick that dates a shrink because of the whole insurance red tape thing.

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Well, the insurance has the copay of 25.00 not a problem. I still can't get them to pay without compromising my saneness. LOL. I am going to try one other place after I move. Strategy mode, as usual. Emotions in brick walls. LOL but not so funny.

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Forget the insurance. I didn't accept the insurance. There was no copay. I accepted only $25 out of pocket.

Gotcha. Will check the other resources I have after I move. Just have to put stuff on hold a bit longer. Better buy some more chocolate and saffron. ; )

Meanwhile, continue to post here. We'll keep you sane. :D

Is there a university where you live? Check into their psych program. Many universities psych programs do counseling for little to no cost. The students do the counseling under the guidance of the professor.

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Is there a university where you live? Check into their psych program. Many universities psych programs do counseling for little to no cost. The students do the counseling under the guidance of the professor.

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Silly me! We did that as grad students (after we had counseled each other and then counseling undergrads -- finally, the professors allowed us out into the general public). We were strictly overseen by professionals, and the cost to the client was very low.

Very excellent suggestion, J.

Well, I will say it is a VERY complex situation with hmm, like a spider web with a glob of silly putty in the middle as far as the details go so I am closed to that. Not a triflling thing for an inexperienced analyst. I can handle 1 more time.

It has been very difficult for me to get out what I have already and to go through it more than once again finally would make the emotional paralysis I am in difficult to get out of.

And not silly putty... meant silly string. The stuff that does not come undone easily.


It is easier for me to identify an emotion via a symbol or metaphor as I am not able to identify some actual emotions or know what to do with them. It is a type of paralysis inside that causes really a problem in logic without symbolism.


The counseling I was getting was slowing acting like a medicine and a toolbox easing some paralysis slowly.

It sounds like you are making lots of excuses so you don't have to get the help you need. The student counseling might be your very best option simply because you will have TWO counselors working on your problems with you. And "years of therapy" doesn't mean that's the best way to do this. Silly string can be untangled a lot more quickly than you can imagine.

Please use the Answer box, and not the Comment box. You'll have more room to type and won't have to break up your replies into chunks of text.

No actually I already contacted the agency I will have counseling with, but will take one week or a little longer for me to move up there. So I will use that resource. Just trying to keep events in background until then, That is the difficult part.

I do not want years of therapy and it won't take that. I have had "interupted" therapy. I need short term intense therapy. I can use the tools myself after that.

I DO believe they have some grad students doing the group therapy there. I am not sure about the individual. It is my understanding they are more in the hospitals like an internship and yes universities.

Begia,

Please do not use the comments feature. You will have more room to type info if you scroll down the page to the Answer box.

Please use the Answer box!!

We grads interned (on a sliding scale, with the money going to the venue, not to us) in hospitals, area clinics, private practices, agencies, and so on, but before that, we also did counseling (at a greatly reduced cost) as part of the university setting through one of its offices.

I could easily walk into a hospital and just say admit me. I almost did but it didn't make sense to me. The univ is a good suggestion. I just am uncomfortable with more than 1 person and in my mind that would be like case study vs. I can't explain it.

Please use the answer box!!

You would meet with only one person during your (university counseling/internship) sessions. Your name would be coded or changed somehow (one of my clients was "Willow"; another was "Tetra"). All personal information/session notes would be unavailable to anyone but the student and his supervising psychologist. The filed information is also under the pseudonym, and each student's clients' info is in a locked file drawer available only to him and his super. The rules are extremely strict on this, and any violations of confidentiality are dealt with severely.

Sorry was not seeing it in the screen I was in. Only the comments. I apologize.

Again, thank you for the input. It DID help. The question and answer have been resolved so I do not need to dwell on it more and I know your time is valuable as well.

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Again, thank you for the input. It DID help. The question and answer have been resolved so I do not need to dwell on it more and I know your time is valuable as well.

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You're welcome. My time is your time. I'm retired now, and live to help people on this site.