I guess my body reactions the last two days has been telling me something that I didn't know about him, and its all come out in the last two days too, with that woman calling out of nowhere. This is a nightmare. All this time I have been accused of doing phone sex and have defended myself unendingly because its not true and I had suspected then that anyone who kept accusing me of something I wasn't doing was in actuality the one guilty of doing it.

This is unreal to me. I still feel Im being put on.

Please, please, for your own health and safety, stop all contact with this man.

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Well that was short and sweet.. Im still up thinking about this. He kept coming online and denying that he was having phone sex. He said he will sue this slanderous person in court.

He assumes Im going to work when Im in this mental state of having just found out. He assumes a lot.

If it wasn't happening to me, Id laugh.

A couple of friends are up now, Im telling them about it.

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I feel that now that Ive invested more time Ive gotten to know him better and gotten closer, now to separate is MUCH harder than I realize. It makes me feel like enduring a death, and I don't wish to "endure" anything, any longer.

This is difficult I know.

I still feel sorry for him, this is also making it rough.

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... I was developing anxiety because of all he had put me through...

... I began to feel anxiety as a conditioned response to him becoming upset...

... its a conditioned response, I know, from all the BS he's put me through...

... I was shouting at the top of my lungs that he caused this...

... it was he that had created this anxiety in me...

... an analogy for what he did to me...

... I told her he was giving me anxiety...

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Do you see a pattern here? You are not acknowledging your part in creating this maelstrom. Take ownership for what you are attracting to yourself and manifesting around you.

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I didn't want to let him down. I knew that I would be the person that would make the change in him happen

I still feel sorry for him, this is also making it rough.

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This is your savior complex talking. You cannot "make the change in him happen". Trying to do the impossible is a sure-fire route to anger and frustration, which is what you've got.

It's time to end contact with him, he is causing you NOTHING but heart ache, pain, confusion and so forth. He doesn't want help, he refuses to acknowledge his problem. He CANNOT be helped if he refuses to come to terms with his problem and bloody grow up.

Tell him to bugger off, seriously now.


*hugs* :)

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Do you see a pattern here? You are not acknowledging your part in creating this maelstrom. Take ownership for what you are attracting to yourself and manifesting around you.



This is your savior complex talking. You cannot "make the change in him happen". Trying to do the impossible is a sure-fire route to anger and frustration, which is what you've got.

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That's not true, I have gotten him on meds, and he HAS been better and calm and "normal" acting since this happened. Its just that the timing of this phone sex operator has come after he started his meds, and it's the line I draw in the sand, and I have confronted and told him about this and he doesn't like what he's hearing.

Even though he's now on meds and hope was and is in sight for him, I don't think I can "handle" the fact he's been phone sexing other people.

Its not like Im blind or stupid, I see all this very clearly. This is just a calm after the storm, and I have to process what happened before I move on.

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it's time to end contact with him, he is causing you NOTHING but heart ache, pain, confusion and so forth. he doesn't want help, he refuses to acknowledge his problem. he CANNOT be helped if he refuses to come to terms with his problem and bloody grow up.

tell him to bugger off, seriously now.


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Well he DID take the meds, and so he was trying to do something positive, and I consider that a monumental act because he has never done this before. He wants to be better but it's a long road.

The fact that the phone sex person called at this time is what puts the "fly in the ointment" or what have you with ME, because I have always been someone that can't tolerate that kind of behavior. Ive never tolerated cheating and its not happened to me, and it's the single thing that would drive me away.

I guess he's in denial because he knows if he admits he really has been phone sexing a phone sex professional, he will lose me for sure.

I just don't know what to do now, other than to take one day at a time. For a while I thought I had a glimpse of something, possibly something. Now this.

I just don't believe you can take huge bodies of people and squeeze them all into black and white categories.

I don't use a broad brush & generalize sick people and "dump them" or dispose of them that easily. I don't sweep everyone into the similar categories believing everyone's the same, even when they are ill. I would like to remain supportive as a friend.. I don't treat people like disposable garbage.

I know he has an illness that's why he's acting as he does. But I DON'T have an illness, so I would not behave as he does, nor throw him out like TRASH.

Also my ego is not that huge that I must run in anguish and disgust.. thinking IM the only person this person would ever be attracted to. I just want to understand all this before I begin a separation process of some kind, if that is what's inevitably needed.

I don't want to just dump someone without understanding everything that happened, because then I will then have no closure, as what happened with the last one and why I was single for 7 years.

I want to know why someone would say he loves me, even as a bipolar, and still require the phone sex with other women. I want to know what makes someone do this. Other than to receive rancorous advice.

I want to know why someone would say they love a person (me) and still REQUIRE phone sex with other women, and I want to have closure on this before I move on. I want to remain as a friend and I want to understand all these processes. I don't want to rush away in fear and ego driven anguish because I felt I should be the only person this person would ever be attracted to. I wish to understand all facets. I am not the ill one, I wouldn't behave as he would. I wouldn't treat someone as "disposable".. I would want to understand all facets of this, and what makes someone do what they do, and then lie about it.. so that I never attract it to me again. Actually I had my choice of being with him or not, its not as though he was the only choice. I did get signs, I always get signs about people. I just never imagined that the signs I got.. usually in dreams, would imply something THIS BAD. That's the thing about my signs I get them, and always assume I can handle it.. and I just believe that anyone can improve and get better and noones a lost cause.

I guess the timings off, I met him at a time when he was just too ill to BE WITH ANYONE and I'm expecting fidelity and sincerity from someone in the MIDST of their issues as if That's POSSIBLE! I came before he was healed.. and maybe he would never be on a better path if he hadn't met me. I more than sense that this is true as well.

I have had experience in the past with knowing that you can't be someone's lover AND their healer.

Maybe I could have helped more if I had not been a lover.

I would like input as long as its not rancorous advice.

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I'm reminded of a story I read somewhere about William Penn, the founder of the Quakers. It seems that a magistrate whose official uniform included a ceremonial sword became a Quaker. He became concerned that wearing the sword might be inconsistent with the Quaker teachings on pacifism, so he sought Penn's counsel on the matter. Penn told him to "wear it as long as thee can".

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I'm reminded of a story I read somewhere about William Penn, the founder of the Quakers. It seems that a magistrate whose official uniform included a ceremonial sword became a Quaker. He became concerned that wearing the sword might be inconsistent with the Quaker teachings on pacifism, so he sought Penn's counsel on the matter. Penn told him to "wear it as long as thee can".

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Well obviously that's what Im doing, and I will know when its time to retreat.
In the meantime I am learning and not turning my back on it, I do know it's a life lesson. I have received the signs. My signs have NEVER been wrong, and its when I ignore them that Im led astray. I guess I am more accurate than I have any idea. I guess I assumed there was a small margin for error in my predictions, dreams and visions, which yes, I do get. I guess there isn't.

I'm just here to help.

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I do know its a life lesson.

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What do you think the lesson is?

Here's a link that may be relevant. Or not.
Spiritual Acceleration Challenges

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What do you think the lesson is?

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Something you may or may not know about, its to trust my signs.

I just can't believe that some things are written in stone, that's why I always try harder. I have always thought outside the box. I have seen things others will never see. I guess that's why I have always assumed that there's hope for everyone.

Later I learned that people see others how they are themselves. If you accuse someone of cheating or phone sex, as he did/does, it's that he really is the one that's doing it. People are the center of the Universes, they assume everyone's like themselves.

I assume everyone can grow and change and evolve in one lifetime because I have in some areas, and I believe in the best for them because I know its possible. Beyond my sarcastic jokes, that is. I end up believing more in them than they do in themselves. They haven't had my experiences so they can't begin to have that kind of trust, faith, hope, insight.

Some people look at me as I give them the entire answer to their dilemma, non-comprehending. I'm not getting it from profiling people, Im getting it from intuition mostly. They can have the answer and it takes them 10 yrs to come to the conclusion I told them about 10 yrs ago. I told someone all about his issues 6 yrs ago, and he comes to be years later to tell me what I had told him long ago. I reminded him of what I told him, and he just said that if he hadn't experienced it for himself, how could he just believe what I was telling him? He also didn't have any faith in me, at that time.

It's been disillusioning. I thought people were like me, and Steve assumes people are as nefarious as he can be. Well we're just at the center of who we are assuming people are like us, and as life goes on we realize people either are or aren't like us. It's a surprise. Its nothing I haven't thought of before or haven't experienced before, I just encounter this through life.

And another--
How do you fight your personal demons?

I've been exposed to that all my life. I was born knowing and experiencing many events and having many personal insights. I believe in free will and that's why I don't take my signs into full consideration. Actually what I've noticed is.. that I never believe its going to be "as bad" as it turns out to be.

Such as, recently I told him I had a dream where I passed this hot tub with a shower in it, and there was this naked woman in it, and then I saw him, and he hopped into the shower hot tub thing right in front of me, without embarrassment or regard. I mentally asked "what are you doing?" taken aback at this rudeness.. and he just had a sheepish grin on his face, that indicated "Im a stupid guilty fool who is attracted to other women" basically.

I didn't consciously know he was having phone sex, but that dream's a clear indication it was happening. I also have a certain word that when it is uttered, has spelled out havoc for my "romantic life" its code word, and Ive seen how its continued to work in my life, so I know its not a coincidence. He's said it many times and he said it twice in once conversation. The word has more than one meaning. This might not be relevant to anyone and they might have never heard of it, but 9 times out of 10, when the man says this word, or even writes it, the entire "romance" crumbles almost immediately afterwards, and it certainly is not my doing, as Im the sort that doesn't "bail" easily.

Last year, I dreamt he was walking out of a bathroom, and walking on the ceiling.. like a cockroach. I saw his face, suspicious, distrustful. I was sitting next to a man with light hair and skin, who had a problem with one of his legs, as though he couldn't walk well, I think he used a crutch or cane at times. He was leaning against the wall and I was leaning by him. The man looked straight ahead without looking at me and in a whisper warned "He's watching us".

In addition to this, I now realize that the anxiety and hand sweating and fear of sleep that I was experiencing, was my body warning me on an empathic level about what he was doing to me. I thought it was residual anxiety from what Id had to put up with. I had forgotten that my body warns me on an empathic intuitive level that something's going on, when my analytical mind continues to idealistically believe in the possibility of the seeming impossible...

Since I found out about the phone sex, all the physical symptoms, anxiety, fear of sleep, etc, have stopped.

Well those are just some of the things.

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How do you fight your personal demons?

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Im not sure if I do. I know everyone has problems in life. I don't believe in real demons, but I know everyone has personal ones. I don't tend to want to believe in things that represent nothing but evil and ugliness without any redeeming qualities whatsoever.. seems like a waste of a belief. Lol

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It's been disillusioning. I thought people were like me, ....as life goes on we realize people either are or aren't like us. Its a surprise.

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So the lesson is that we aren't all alike? Are the differences superficial or fundamental? How many different kinds of beings are there?

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So the lesson is that we aren't all alike? Are the differences superficial or fundamental? How many different kinds of beings are there?

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Well I don't know what your background is. I do hypnosis and past life regression. I hypnotically regressed him this year and found out he was a nazi in a past life. But that doesn't mean a thing for people who don't understand.

As far as different kinds of beings on this planet? Hell no, most people are the same, they are mundane. The very few that are kind and have some sort of higher evolution are far fewer in numbers, but if they are here, they will still feel the burn from the slow evolution of others.

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As far as different kinds of beings on this planet? Hell no, most people are the same, they are mundane. The very few that are kind and have some sort of higher evolution are far fewer in numbers, but if they are here, they will still feel the burn from the slow evolution of others.

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Are you saying that for spiritual purposes, there are basically two kinds of people in the world? Is the ratio of "mundane" to "higher evolution" types changing over time, do you think?

The distinction I find most instructive is between those that divide the world into two kinds of people, and those that don't. I aspire to be one of those who doesn't, but as you can see, I'm not quite there yet.

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Are you saying that for spiritual purposes, there are basically two kinds of people in the world? Is the ratio of "mundane" to "higher evolution" types changing over time, do you think?

The distinction I find most instructive is between those that divide the world into two kinds of people, and those that don't. I aspire to be one of those who doesn't, but as you can see, I'm not quite there yet.

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It would be difficult to ascertain that as I don't know the true minds of everyone in the world to know if there are more evolving types as opposed to deevolving ones.

When you look at the news it seems there's more evil in the world, but when you look at communities you see more good.

I myself don't believe anyone's going to evolve until they reach the higher consciousness of respecting and loving animals instead of participating in an indifferent secret ceremony that leads to their demise. In that sort of world where people put blinders on, I would think evolution would be difficult. Many people believe themselves to be highly spiritual creatures and are conditioned to partipate in situations that harm others.

That way of being does not permit the ascension into higher consciousness so that one realizes all life is sacred, not only human but animal. It's a murky place to pull oneself out of though, and it has and can be done.. but with most, its apparently not happening.

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I don't believe in real demons, but I know everyone has personal ones. I don't tend to want to believe in things that represent nothing but evil and ugliness without any redeeming qualities whatsoever.. seems like a waste of a belief. lol

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I don't think of them as demons, really. More like anti-gurus. Situations or people that arise to teach us what still has the power to disrupt our natural bliss and disintegrate our essential unity. This is valuable knowledge and we owe them a debt of gratitude.

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That way of being does not permit the ascension into higher consciouness so that one realizes all life is sacred, not only human but animal.

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Why stop the sense of the sacred at animal life? Isn't plant life and bacteriological, fungal and viral life sacred as well? For that matter, what about the life of galaxies and stars and planets and minerals and soils? How do you draw the line between sacred and profane?

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Why stop the sense of the sacred at animal life? Isn't plant life and bacteriological, fungal and viral life sacred as well? For that matter, what about the life of galaxies and stars and planets and minerals and soils? How do you draw the line between sacred and profane?

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I don't stop there, Im just writing in small parts, I mentioned "all" but I know what you mean. Its all life, some we can eat some we cannot. Everyone knows the difference between right and wrong and then the rest of the time, they plug up their eyes and ears and pretend they don't know. The defense mechanisms ensue and you always know it. I used to call that the "cabbage theory" when people protested that there is no difference between a head of lettuce and a calf, for example. This is about the only time they ever say anything that approximates poetry, as they pause to slide their head that is so deeply snug in their a s s.

What do you mean profane? I don't like the religious use of the word "Sacred" but it usually shows up. I really have to find a better word.. ahemm...

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I don't think of them as demons, really. More like anti-gurus. Situations or people that arise to teach us what still has the power to disrupt our natural bliss and disintegrate our essential unity. This is valuable knowledge and we owe them a debt of gratitude.

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I used to wonder if possession is real, but after experiencing an ex with 200 personalities, as I like to call them, subcutaneous and autonomous consciousnesses, I really really wonder if the ability to become possessed is possible at all.

The more I think and experience, the less likely it seems to me. There's too much about the human mind and too much that isn't known to assume that what's affecting someone is coming "outside from ourselves". I know that the bible is radically warped because its been edited for convenience during political times (and every age was political) but the only person in there who seemed to know what he was talking about were the words attributed to Jesus. He said "The kingdom of heaven is within you". Well he certainly is no idiot is he.

I notice most people I've been exposed to think that just about everything that can possess and affect us seems to aim its arrow from outside of ourselves, instead of from within ourselves.

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... the words attributed to Jesus. He said "The kingdom of heaven is within you". Well he certainly is no idiot is he.

I notice most people I've been exposed to think that just about everything that can possess and affect us seems to aim its arrow from outside of ourselves, instead of from within ourselves.

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I take it this applies to dietary as well as psychological pollution.

So your ex had 200 personalities and this guy is bipolar. Do you actively seek out these types of people?

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So your ex had 200 personalities and this guy is bipolar. Do you actively seek out these types of people?

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I broke up with the person who has MP 7 yrs ago. It was an incredible learning experience and my life is enriched because of it, also my hypnosis abilities and understanding of human consciousness was affirmed and flourished because of it.

To others they would only not understand what they couldn't get out of it.

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He's also reported to have said,

I take it this applies to dietary as well as psychological pollution.

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I wouldn't agree with that at all. He wasn't referring to food obviously, he was referring to emotional and spiritual concerns. Most diseases & issues Ive found are 98% diet related.

Nothing from outside (without) can defile a person that will not allow themselves to be defiled. That is ultimately the strongest person there is. That is exactly why Im the not the type that runs away from others so easily when things get rough. The learning lesson or experience is essential, any bad experience or assault on character doesn't say anything negative about oneself, only the person that issued it.

Our will and decisions triggered by the negative experiences from others or events that we experience in the world make us miserable or jaded, only if we let it. In fact if we come out of a bad situation a negative, hopeless etc person we have allowed the other person or event to overtake us. None of this has to happen if you remember you're the person that is really making yourself miserable because of your own inner outlook. Some people do it so often its so automatic they are forever blaming other people for why they feel bad or can't find what they are looking for. They play the blame game so much, they are utterly lost.

I think how religions interpret things out of the bible that are positive and expansive, freeing and pervasive examples in physical life and they warp them into ugly rules that everyone must follow otherwise they are condemned to something horrible. Certain rules are completely unnatural to human life and age people till they succumb to an early grave of disease. I would only use information is the bible and see it as positive if I can test it and see if it proves to be true under scrutiny, experience and practice. I wouldn't immeditately assume that all of it is true, and a lot of people do.

Going along with the theme of "the kingdom of heaven is within you" you also ultimately wouldn't have to eat, because there would come a time where you could have your nutrients in another manner without having to eat anything that once was deemed as food. That's a long way off Im sure. (insert loud laugh here) Also the kingdom of heaven concept is a totally mental/emotional and higher plane energetic phenomena, so it wouldn't be referring to something physical. This is just what Ive learned along the way and what I sense.

I wonder what people would do with all that time they would save if they didn't have to eat.. would more movies be made?

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he was referring to emotional and spiritual concerns. Most diseases & issues Ive found are 98% diet related.

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Well, on the physical level there are matters of nutrition, health, and disease that of course do need to be understood and respected. But his point was that there are no negative spiritual consequences due to failure to follow religious dietary rules and purification rituals.

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"Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not enter his heart, but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?" And he said, "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man."

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Our will and decisions triggered by the negative experiences from others or events that we experience in the world make us miserable or jaded, only if we let it. In fact if we come out of a bad situation a negative, hopeless etc person we have allowed the other person or event to overtake us. None of this has to happen if you remember you're the person that is really making yourself miserable because of your own inner outlook. Some people do it so often its so automatic they are forever blaming other people for why they feel bad or can't find what they are looking for. They play the blame game so much, they are utterly lost.

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Yes, as long as we think someone else is doing it to us, or forcing us to do it, we haven't yet learned the lesson.

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I think how religions interpret things out of the bible that are positive and expansive, freeing and pervasive examples in physical life and they warp them into ugly rules that everyone must follow otherwise they are condemned to something horrible. Certain rules are completely unnatural to human life and age people till they succumb to an early grave of disease. I would only use information is the bible and see it as positive if I can test it and see if it proves to be true under scrutiny, experience and practice. I wouldn't immeditately assume that all of it is true, and a lot of people do.

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I agree. Such a use of the Bible amounts to book worship--a form of idolatry, as I see it.

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Going along with the theme of "the kingdom of heaven is within you" you also ultimately wouldn't have to eat, because there would come a time where you could have your nutrients in another manner without having to eat anything that once was deemed as food. That's a long way off Im sure. (insert loud laugh here)

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How far off depends on who you ask, I guess: Breatharians/Ascension

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Oh, I think it's intimately involved with the physical. The action of Spirit isn't to leave the physical behind, but to "raise it up" to a vibration level that is coherent with the Spiritual. The Buddha came back for this purpose after achieving enlightenment. Jesus taught his disciples to pray "Thy kingdom come...in earth as it is in heaven". Mystics and sages teach "As above, so below."

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Its all life, some we can eat some we cannot.

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How do you decide which forms of life are OK to eat and which ones aren't?

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What do you mean profane?

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Not sacred, mundane, common, spiritually inert.

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How do you decide which forms of life are OK to eat and which ones aren't?

Not sacred, mundane, common, spiritually inert.

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Well Im not interested in bickering with you. Only the retarded would know what's not right.. its pretty obvious that anything that has a similar physiology to us is practically cannabilism, although that is not accepted because of worldwide denial. Having some compassion and understanding would go far in understanding that suffering is not acceptable in this world. The pretense is annoying.

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Well, yes, he was, actually. At least by Mark's account of the story.



Who's mark?


Oh, I think it's intimately involved with the physical. The action of Spirit isn't to leave the physical behind, but to "raise it up" to a vibration level that is coherent with the Spiritual. The Buddha came back for this purpose after achieving enlightenment. Jesus taught his disciples to pray "Thy kingdom come...in earth as it is in heaven". Mystics and sages teach "As above, so below."

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We always leave the spirit behind, people believe they are chained to this planet, but those are people who just do what they are told. I don't follow any religions because as soon as you begin believing in one you close your mind to other ideas. I don't deal in beliefs much, other than.. I believe I am hungry or thirsty, etc. I love to do independent research, sometimes my research matches that of what has come before. What others have discovered in their books and poetry or recordings..

You know what is the most annoying thing? When I am writing to someone and they say "Oh thats Einstein" or "Thats Nietzsche's philsophy". I am adamant.. "No!!! thats ME!!!". Lol

I do have my original thoughts simply because someone else also has discovered them doesn't necessarily mean they own those observations or discoveries, they simply recorded them in some way and passed them on before their demise or after.

Maddening. Lol:p

I do however love most of all.. to find my OWN thang.

Considering what I know.. "as Earth as it is in Heaven" means to me only what I think it does based on what Ive learned. If this is some vibrational construct created out of energy, than yes its like heaven in the fact that its energy, but its different energy. Just as it is easier to dissipate a cloud or create a rainstorm with ones own mind , than it is to solve the riddles of a relationship with someone else!

Argh!

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Well Im not interested in bickering with you. Only the retarded would know whats not right.

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I was interested in where and how you draw the line for yourself, not in how you rate the mental capacity of those who draw it in a different place or in a different way than you do.

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. its pretty obvious that anything that has a similiar physiology to us is practically cannabilism,

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That was the question: How dissimilar does their physiology have to be for it to be OK to eat them--are fish, crustaceans, and mollusks OK? How about bugs? Man Eating Bugs - Review Whole Earth

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We always leave the spirit behind,

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Is this really what you meant to say?

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I hope and trust that it's possible to participate in harmonizing the material and spiritual realms without believing that I'm "chained to this planet".

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I was interested in where and how you draw the line for yourself, not in how you rate the mental capacity of those who draw it in a different place or in a different way than you do.

That was the question: How dissimilar does their physiology have to be for it to be OK to eat them--are fish, crustaceans, and mollusks OK? How about bugs? Man Eating Bugs - Review Whole Earth

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Isn't this obvious. I don't eat any of that. It ages people on top of it all.

Well I know some people who have to separate all my comments and answer each one directly. Its neverending.

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Is this really what you meant to say?

I hope and trust that it's possible to participate in harmonizing the material and spiritual realms without believing that I'm "chained to this planet".

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Of course not, we leave the body behind. People who are interested in the addiction of physical lives are chained to this planet. Anyone researching that would discover this if the were looking in the right areas to find it. What is it that you think? I wouldn't be able to find everything Ive discovered by googling it.
Although there are helpful links to many ideas Ive discovered.

Im posting in snippets, to anyone outside reading this, it might not even make sense unless I wrote extensively of it. Its too easy to make it look ridiculous if they aren't familiar with the ideas. Yes the mental capacity has a LOT to do with healthy eating, etc etc. It's the mental capacity that demonstrates if you eat live food and healthily you live longer, look younger & as a result are smarter, but then you had to be smart to actually eat that way, it's the mental capacity that denies or is unaware that if you eat unsafely you will die from various unsafe ways of eating that result in diet related diseases like heart attacks, heart disease (high cholesterol) diabetes and cancer. Although some is "genetic" its mostly bad diets that create these problems. Those that don't aren't lucky, they have a higher genetic propensity for health, and/or positive attitude as well as eat healthy foods in addition to the junk they eat.

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Originally Posted by cerulean

"as Earth as it is in Heaven" means to me only what I think it does based on what Ive learned. If this is some vibrational construct created out of energy, than yes its like heaven in the fact that its energy, but its different energy.

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Different in what way?

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Originally Posted by cerulean

Isnt this obvious.

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Not to me, that's why I asked the question. But if you'd rather not answer it, I can accept that.

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People who are interested in the addiction of physical lives are chained to this planet.... What is it that you think?

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I think it's a great privilege and an invaluable education for self-aware spiritual beings to become physically embodied. Like any good thing, I suppose it's possible that some may become too attached to it temporarily. But generally speaking, I think embodiment is chosen voluntarily and for good spiritual reasons, not as a result of coercion or addiction.

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Not to me, that's why I asked the question. But if you'd rather not answer it, I can accept that.


I think it's a great privilege and an invaluable education for self-aware spiritual beings to become physically embodied. Like any good thing, I suppose it's possible that some may become too attached to it temporarily. But generally speaking, I think embodiment is chosen voluntarily and for good spiritual reasons, not as a result of coercion or addiction.

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In my past life regressions, that is nearly always true, although the guide's influence and help in between.. "Lives". With my baby sister though, she just "followed orders". When I asked her why she didn't think she had a say the last time she came here, she just said "They are older and know more than I do". I told her she still can choose what she wants. She said "Im very tired of coming here". Could be because she splits into three each time. Its draining.

I regressed an indian guy who recognized my photos as someone he used to be with in a past life and he had present conscious recall in some detail of us. He really wanted a regression so we set one up, he'd tried but had never been hypnotised before (he worked for the FBI, was a stunt driver, etc etc so he had that mentality) and wondered if he could. Others had failed to hypnotise him, with me he went under immediately, and he recalled two lives we had in Scotland and Ireland. They were beautiful and yet sad, and he was attracted to me again now, but I was not.

I would have liked to have been his friend though.

He always had this "reoccurring theme" that most people do, and his was the need to save masses of the "unwashed and unseen" time after time at the expense of his love life, so naturally I always suffered because he always got killed. He apologized to me while he was under and I told him I couldn't remember it anyway, and he said I was blocking it. I told him considering the story no wonder I was, because it was unbelievably annoying (lol) and sad. I was always abandoned by someone who wanted to "save the world". Well.. he said "who's going to save them if I don't, noone can do it as well as I can, the others are knuckleheads" (using his vernacular of this day). I suggested that he train others because he would be an incredible trainer. This way he didn't feel as though it was all up to him, and he could leave these people in his place once he was no longer in the world and they would continue for him.

He told me sounding surprised "I have never thought of it like that before".. and I think that is a seed for change in his pattern and his way of being that has lasted hundreds of years, so that is good.

It was one of my favorite regressions.. sigh.

What's really neat is talking through people to their old selves because those old selves always believe they are still alive, they are, but its so very weird. That's why I was so interested in my multiple personality friend, I could relate to that because of my regressions and dealing with all the personalities of other lives. There's a huge difference though between past life personalities and multiple personality personalities. In past life personalities the integrity of that person is always stored and alive in a very real way. Their integrity is never lost. However it is more like reawakening a memory where a soul dons a character role in a play.

With MP the consciousness of the brain is fragmented and living in different areas of the brain so that they develop their own individuality. They aren't memories, they are real time.

Ive heard that "spirit" for lack of a better word considers people who come to Earth "brave and courageous" LMAO! I wonder if its more for the fear of death than anything else, and having to experience it and everyone else's, when I think of it, that one of the worst things for me, even though intellectually I know so much about it. That's not the same as emotionally, or even experientially.

I just meant that its always a persons choice to come back but many do become addicted to "life" not to finish what they didn't finish but to feel physical again.

Of course everyone's at a different stage of evolution, many at the same level and smaller percentages below and above that, Im sure you know that though.

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Different in what way?

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Different energies have different signatures. They oscillate different patterns and at different speeds, you know. The slower the speed the more physical, the faster the more "etheric"..
That's why its easier to dissolve a cloud with ones mental energy than it is to make a person CHANGE. Lol.. Its easier to influence a cloud than a human being, and I think most people probably think it's the other way around.

Clouds & rainwater have higher faster vibrational signatures, humans are much slower. A stone is more dense than a human. Animals are higher than humans and stones, but slower than clouds.