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  • Dec 9, 2010, 04:00 AM
    abver
    what is formula pi * r 2 * h / 3,363?
  • Dec 9, 2010, 06:18 AM
    Unknown008

    I don't see what you are referring to... the closest formula is the formula for the volume of a cylinder:

  • Dec 9, 2010, 07:07 AM
    abver
    Comment on Unknown008's post
    No is not
  • Dec 9, 2010, 07:11 AM
    Unknown008

    Where did you get that 'formula'?
  • Dec 9, 2010, 07:19 AM
    abver
    Comment on Unknown008's post
    Is volume formula, not for cylinder
  • Dec 9, 2010, 07:25 AM
    Unknown008

    Um... what language do you speak?
  • Dec 9, 2010, 07:28 AM
    abver
    Comment on Unknown008's post
    I'm serb
  • Dec 9, 2010, 07:33 AM
    Unknown008

    Видим...

    Ја још увек не знам где сте добили ову формулу, али то је формула за запремине цилиндра, подељен 3363 коју ја не знам где сте добили.

    Могу ли питати за оно питање које сте добили од те формуле? Будете могли да шаљете целу питање да ли је могуће?

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    I see...

    I still don't know where you got this formula, but it is the formula for the volume of a cylinder, divided by 3363 which I don't know where you got.

    Could I ask in what question you got that formula from? Can you post the entire question if possible?
  • Dec 9, 2010, 07:43 AM
    abver
    Comment on Unknown008's post
    Pa Srbi su pametan narod I to nije formula za zapreminu cilindra vec za drugaciju geometrisku figuru,
  • Dec 9, 2010, 07:46 AM
    Unknown008

    Нисам рекао супротно... Ја само питам где сте добили ту формулу, или да ли имате слику фигура?

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    I didn't say the opposite... I'm just asking where you got that formula, or do you have a picture of the figure?
  • Dec 9, 2010, 08:17 AM
    abver
    Comment on Unknown008's post
    Koliko imas godina
  • Dec 9, 2010, 08:37 AM
    Unknown008
    И'м осамнаест. Могу ли да знам зашто?
  • Dec 9, 2010, 08:44 AM
    abver
    Comment on Unknown008's post
    OK, mlad si, razumi ovo kao neki zadatak I ako mozes resi ga, srecno, vise necu davati komentare
  • Dec 9, 2010, 09:17 AM
    Unknown008

    Ок, али ја немам појма шта је око формуле. Као што сам раније рекао, најближи формула је запремина цилиндра. Што се зашто је то подељено са 3363, не знам. Можда је то због фактор конверзије...

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    Ok, but I don't have a clue of what the formula is about. As I said earlier, the closest formula is the volume of a cylinder. As to why it is divided by 3363, I don't know. Maybe it's due to a conversion factor...
  • Jan 20, 2011, 01:25 PM
    abver
    2 pi 2 / ((pi 2) - 4) = 3,3629...
  • Jan 21, 2011, 09:24 AM
    ebaines

    Interesting - but can you tell us where this comes from, and why it was included in your volume formula?

  • Jan 24, 2011, 03:53 PM
    ebaines

    I've been thinking about this. Here's one possible scenario where you would get this factor in your volume equation. If you consider a parabaloid of height h and base radius R, its volume is:



    Now if that paraboloid had material removed from it in the shape of a second narrower parabaloid, also of height h but with base radius = , the volume of material removed is:



    So subtracting one from the other yields:



    Perhaps this is the shape you are looking for?
  • Jan 26, 2011, 06:31 AM
    abver
    Comment on ebaines's post
    No is not,l give my anwers
  • Jan 26, 2011, 08:58 AM
    Unknown008

    Did you get the corrections? If so, could you tell us what it was?
  • Apr 19, 2011, 09:11 PM
    abver
    Comment on ebaines's post
    surface area = pi * r 2 + r * pi * h for this figura
  • Apr 20, 2011, 05:42 AM
    ebaines
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by abver View Post
    surface area = pi * r 2 + r * pi * h for this figura

    Sounds once again like you're talking about an open-ended cylinder, whose surface area consists of the cylinder wall plus one end cap:



    And the volume would be (as Unknown008 noted, oh so long ago):



    So, abver, did you ever figure out where the factor 3.3629 came from in your original post?
  • Apr 20, 2011, 09:40 PM
    abver
    Comment on ebaines's post
    serb : V = pi * r ^ 2 * h / 3,3629.. A = pi * r ^ 2 + pi * r * h su obrasci koji definisu jednu geometrisku figuru ( koja nije valjak) to jest njenu zapreminu I povrsinu a pitanje je koja je to figura, I iz cega se sastoji ? (3,3629.. jnaravno da sam shvatio odakle potice, mogao bi da objasnim, al mi se ne gubi vreme) ustvari mene zanima da li su ovi obrasci poznati vrsnim ekspertima kao sto ste vi I uopste (inace meni je matematika hobi ali samo ponekad)
  • Apr 21, 2011, 05:45 AM
    ebaines

    abver's response as translated by Google:

    "the patterns that define a geometric figure (not roller) that is its volume and surface area and the question is what that figure, and from what constitutes? (3.3629 .. jnaravno I figured originated, could explain, but I do not waste time) I really care whether these patterns are known excellent experts like you, and in general (who is my math is a hobby, but only sometimes)."

    Wow, that's really helpful.
  • Apr 21, 2011, 09:36 AM
    Unknown008

    Indeed, this sort of hobby, I dare say is not healthy at all! D:

    If at least you are deriving that formula, with meaningful equations and such, then it's okay, but here... here... I just don't see the point in that, sorry. And I don't think that anyone who has math as a hobby would like to know those patterns.
  • Apr 21, 2011, 02:04 PM
    abver
    Comment on Unknown008's post
    Serb : ako mozes da razumes zasto je (opposite AB / sec) + ((opposite AB - (opposite AB / sec)) * 4/3) ~ arc AB mozda I mo nadjes poentu u gornjim jednacinama
  • Apr 21, 2011, 02:18 PM
    abver
    Comment on Unknown008's post
    pod uslovom da je hipotenuza = precnik
  • Apr 21, 2011, 02:36 PM
    galactus

    Jjuiibn;j h hmnk mxvnncvuygaefnbamn

    I checked Google and this "problem" has been posted on a dozen different sites. No one else appears to know what it means either.

    Especially, the 3363.
  • Apr 21, 2011, 06:41 PM
    abver
    Comment on galactus's post
    2 pi 2 / (pi 2 - 4) je formula koja daje odnos zbira povrsina svih jedinstvenih segments (pi 2 - 4) I zbira odgovarajuceg broja povrsina circle (2 pi 2), odnosno volume of a cylinder I volume geometriskog tela koja se sastoji od povrsina svih jedinstvenih segments a taj odnos je 3,3629.. a odgovor je (diameter * 1/2 chord A) / 2 = triangle A ;; dakle (r 2 * pi / 2 ) - triangle = area of a two segments ;; dakle triangle A / chord A = x ;; dakle (r 2 * pi / 2) / x = diameter * 1/2 pi ;; dakle ((diameter * 1/2 pi) - chord A) * x = (r 2 * pi / 2) - triangle A = area of a two segments;; dakle zbir svih jedinstvenih chords je RADIUS a zbir odgovarajuceg broja diameters je (2 r * pi) / 4 ;; dakle ((2 r * pi) / 4 * 1/2 pi - r) * x = zbir povrsina svih jedinstvenih segments a zbir odgovarajuceg broja povrsina circle je ((2 r * pi) / 4 * 1/2 pi * 2) * x ;; dakle (2 r * pi / 4 * pi) / (2 r * pi / 4 * 1/2 pi - r) ova formula moze da se svede na 2 pi 2 / (pi 2 - 4)
  • Apr 22, 2011, 08:55 AM
    Unknown008

    Okay, I can't understand what you're talking about. Give me a practical example where this is used.
  • Apr 24, 2011, 02:41 PM
    abver
    Comment on Unknown008's post
    OK , pokusacu da objasnim , nacrtaj cetvrtinu kruga, sada zamisli da je centralna tacka povezana poluprecnicima (radius you mnozini) sa svakom tackom na cetvrtini kruznice, na taj nacin dobio bi poluprecnike you svim uglovima od 0 do 90, sada zamisli da su svi ti poluprecnici povezani you nizu redom od vertikalnog do horizontalnog, tako da zadnja tacka jednog poluprecnika predstavlja pocetnu tacku drugog (sledeceg) poluprecnika, na taj nacin dobio bi poligon sa beskonacno stranica, sada zamisli da svaku stranicu (poluprecnik) zamenjuje tacka, na taj nacin dobio bi iskrivljenu liniju koja bi bila identicna cetvrtini kruznice. Vracamo se na pocetak, zamisli da svaki poluprecnik predstavlja hipotenuzu, you tom slucaju zbir svih stranica (opposite I adjancent) pravouglih trouglova predstavljala bi pravu does, koja bi bila jednaka poluprecniku (radius) kruga cija je cetvrtina nacrtana na pocetku, ako ovo razumes ti napisi
  • Apr 28, 2011, 03:29 PM
    abver
    Comment on galactus's post
    Sustina je da, kada od povrsine polukruga oduzmes pravougli trougao ciji je poluprecnik jednak hipotenuzi, dobices povrsinu dva segments, e sada kada bi oduzeo sve moguce pravougle trouglove od odgovarajuceg broja povrsina polukruga, dobio bi zbir svih segments, sto objasnjavaju gornje formule (nije valjda tolko komplikovano)
  • Jun 20, 2011, 11:48 AM
    abver
    Comment on Unknown008's post
    ideja oko normalne proekcije tacke sa kruznice na poluprecnik, gde ja odnos te, tacke / njene proekcije na radius = precnik / tetive (mat pojam) paralelne sa tom tackom. Ima za posledicu mnogo efekata koji ako se pravilno razumu mogu da daju dosta rezultata. Medjutim najvazniji predstavja niz kojim se izracunava funkcija sinus, gde svaki deo niza similuje (glumi) tu proekciju. Zatim da projektovana tacka ustvari konvertuje pravougli (jednakostranicni) trougao ali I u isto vreme ona konvertuje I prostor, I to ne jedan vec beskonacno mnogo razlicitih prostora od kojih se svaki sastoji od povrsina pravouglih (jednakostranicnih) trouglova. Zatim da se povrsina polukruga moze razumeti kao zbir svih kvadrata razlicitih tetiva. Jedna od posledica je I gornji obrazac Medjutim sve ovo funkcijonise samo kod KRUGA I nikakvoj drugoj varijanti I samim tim ova ideja NE MOZE da se iskoristi za neku opstu teoriju. Ovih dana vidjam na ozbiljnim sajtovima, pogresne interpretacije ( zabrinjavajuce )
  • Jun 20, 2011, 01:01 PM
    abver
    Comment on Unknown008's post
    Napravio sam gresku u gornjem komentaru mislio sam na jednakokraki trougao, ne na jednakostranicni trougao
  • Jun 20, 2011, 07:12 PM
    jcaron2

    At least now I know how to say "isosceles triangle" in Serbian. :)

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