Ask Me Help Desk - Gay Marriage

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Originally Posted by Synnen

Well, to me...Gay marriage is just fine.

As far as MY interpretation of the Bible goes: If homosexuality is a sin, then incest is okay (Lot and his daughters) and so is tricking your brother out of his inheritance (Jacob and Esau). It's also a sin to masturbate (isn't someone struck down for spilling his seed on the ground?) and everyone should have to marry their widowed in-laws.

If you try to tell me that THOSE are just cultural differences of the times--well, I'm gonna tell you that being gay is too. The reason (from MY interpretation) that being gay was bad is that god only wanted sex for children. Well...if you're not trying to have kids, then, you shouldn't be having sex! (by those standards).

Love is love. There is so much hate in this world already, why are we NOT celebrating love wherever it is found?

Well... lets see... firstly we must understand that even the righteous men of the Bible fell, and also that "incest" at one point wasn't a sin. Actually it was necessary consdering everything began with one man and one woman.
The Bible mentions masturbation as a shameful act, which I personally wouldn't want to displease God, but that's you. However, if you need stimulation consisting of lust, any type, yeah that's sin.
As far as widowed in laws, there were 4 different types of convenants, 3 of which have been fulfilled, blood, israeli, moral and dietary. All of which but the moral have been fulfilled. The marrying widows law pertained to the israelites.
The moral laws, such as the ten commandments and everything mentioned as abomination and such, still stand, and they stand firm.
~Ash

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Originally Posted by Leidenschaftlich für Wahr

everything mentioned as abomination and such, still stand, and they stand firm.

So we are to abide by them all?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So we are to abide by them all?

What do you think?

I asked first.

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Originally Posted by Leidenschaftlich für Wahr

What do you think?

I think that while some of the IDEAS in the Bible are great---unless you live by ALL of them, then don't start quoting just one or two of them to me.

I also think that this is exactly the reason I'm NOT Christian. I don't HAVE to call it a sin, then. And... marriage is a valid Wiccan tradition too--and most Wiccans don't have a problem with same sex couples. So--let the same-sex couples get married in the Wiccan faith, and there's no problem, then, right? I mean, it's not a CHRISTIAN marriage, it's a WICCAN marriage.

I just hate the fact that people are so dead set against the use of the word "marriage". Want to call it by the Sanskrit name for marriage, then? Or the Roman word? I don't care!

I agree with what someone else said earlier--gay couples aren't destroying the "sanctity" of marriage--straight couples are doing a great job of it themselves, with the high divorce rate.

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Originally Posted by mjl

Are you for or against Gay Marriage?

All for it! Gay people are human just like the rest of us.

I believe you can't help who you fall in love with

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Originally Posted by starfirefly

i believe you can't help who you fall in love with

Gay or straight, this is a dangerous belief.

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Originally Posted by starfirefly

i believe you can't help who you fall in love with

You do have choices though, and you can help what you do, about who you love. Its called dealing with reality.

I would say that there are 3 types of people that are affiliated with the gay marriage debate:

1st type: is the kind of person who is against it because A.) They are extremely religious and believe that it is immoral and against God's wishes or B.) They have a vengeance on someone who affected them in that way (ie:their parenter left them for the opposite sex, their daughter or son became gay etc.)

2nd type: is the kind of person who really doesn't give a crap about what someone else does with their life as long as it doesn't involve them

3rd type: is the kind of person who is all for it because A.) They are gay B.) They have a daughter/son or realitive who is gay C.) They are neither gay nor bi but feel strongly for a free will country

This debate is depended on the majority beliefs. Can you guess which one it is? And tell me, which kind of person are you?

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Originally Posted by alyssarox32

And tell me, which kind of person are you?

The kind who doesn't divide the world into two or more kinds of people.

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Originally Posted by alyssarox32

This debate is depended on the majority beliefs. Can you guess which one it is? And tell me, which kind of person are you?

Hello alyssarox:

Actually what the majority believes has NOTHING to do with it. It's what the Constitution says that matters.

Let's see. I'm not against it. I don't care how people live. I don't care about people's free will. I Do, however, give a crap about peoples rights. I'm not gay.

I never have fit anybody's mold….. S'fine with me.

excon

PS> The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution says that we ALL are afforded "equal protection under the law".

How can it be equal when heterosexual couples get government benefits, that homosexual ones don't?

One could argue a topic like this for years and years.

I personally am against same sex marriage. I am Catholic and do believe it to be a sin, however, I come to the conclusion not based solely on what the Bible or other religious works say about it.

I just think it is an un-natural thing,homosexuality in general. I mean the human body was made for specific reasons and man figured outlong ago that if you put this there it feels good and sometimes a small little person comes out in te near future. It makes sense, putting something where it does not belong is un-natural. The penetration of the tool into a place that is not intended for it to go is again, un-natural. Viewing it like this makes sense to me and it is consistent with religious teachings, I believe the Bible refers to the act as an abomination and the Koran mentions it being un-natural as well.

I take no issue with those who are gay, I sin too and so my sins of being straight may be even or even more serious than that of a gay person, so I have no issue with the individuals themselves. However, if any one agrees that it is un-natural human behaviour, it would stand to reason that one would not support marriages and openly flaunting exhibits from the gay population. My city has a HUGE parade in the summer and I don't support it being so "out in public" because I do believe it is a sin.

Who says I was "dividing" the world into kinds of people? I was talking about the issue of gay marriage not dividing everybody whatever that means. Get your facts right ordinaryguy!

Yea, and even the people who took part in the constitution had opinions. It was based on their opinions (or beliefs) and the majority opinion won. Good thought about the 14th amendment though. Maybe you should look into that and when you're deciding who is president, maybe you should consider that factor.

I am for it. As long as they keep to there selves and I don’t mean socializing with other people I mean showing affection to one another in public. All the power to them. WOOT :)

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Originally Posted by starfirefly

i believe you can't help who you fall in love with

I agree you can't help who you fall in love with either a man or a woman when you fall in love it just happens and you can't stop who you fall in love with

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Originally Posted by alyssarox32

Who says I was "dividing" the world into kinds of people? I was talking about the issue of gay marriage not dividing everybody whatever that means. Get your facts right ordinaryguy!

I didn't say anything about you. You asked what kind of person I was, and I answered the question.

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Originally Posted by Questionshelp

I am for it. As long as they keep to there selves and I don't mean socializing with other people I mean showing affection to one another in public. All the power to them. WOOT :)

So do you get offended when a hetero couple show affection in public?

Questionshelp:
Obviously not all the power to them, because you have some sort of problem with them showing affection in public. Hey, maybe they think it it totally revolting when you show affection in public.