Casey Anthony found not guilty! Anyone have any thoughts or feelings on this?
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U.S. riveted over Casey Anthony's 'summer soap opera' murder trial - The Globe and Mail
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Casey Anthony found not guilty! Anyone have any thoughts or feelings on this?
Death of Caylee Anthony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
U.S. riveted over Casey Anthony's 'summer soap opera' murder trial - The Globe and Mail
I can't think of a more convoluted public case than this one. I only got a glimpse here and there of the court preceedings. Casey chose not to testify, that was her option; her mother reported the granddaughter missing; the grandfather found the corpse (I think); the grandfather had an affair (dont know what bearing that has on anything); Casey partyed and carried on into the wee hours and had boyfriends (whilst her girl was missing and presumed dead). Have I got all of that right?
So much evidence went cold during the three years. Did they ever do an autopsy to determine cause of death, other then the tape?
See how much I know which isn't much.
Okay, so she is free; only she has to suffer if she knows more. We will likely hear she committed suicide at some point in time.
Tick
Well that pretty much sums it up Tick. I can't say I know much more. But the whole thing leaves me sick to my stomach. I am killing myself trying to understand why she did what she did? What kind of mother does not report her child missing? (Of course she was dead and Casey knew this). But what kind of mother parties and shows no remorse for her dead child?
Maybe my head is in the clouds, I chose to not watch the news for these exact stories. It's so depressing. I don't mean to be one of those people who keep their head in the sand, but when I think of what kind of monsters are out there, it frightens and sickens me. I have a little girl who is going to be 4 very soon. I could never imagine my life with out her. She is my life.
I am in disbelief! This just sickens me! You pretty much know my thoughts as I have voiced them on Facebook.
Justice was not served today. Its like the Oj Simpson trial all over again!
2 cases of prosecutorial over- reach ;this case and the case in NY involving IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn (DSK) .
Casey Anthony probably killed her kid.
But the prosecutor used circumstantial evidence to charge her with premeditated murder. Why... when the evidence pointed to a lesser charge ?
There may be justice in our court system but there is no justice for Caylee .
It sucks because while we are all pretty sure of what happened, there's just not enough evidence.
I want to see justice for Caylee, but that window of opportunity may have closed. We may only be able to hope for justice in the afterlife.
It's heartbreaking and sickening. Casey Anthony will likely not be welcome anywhere she goes, as least there may be some "social" justice:
"Outside the courtroom, spectators screamed "Lord!" as the learned of the not guilty ruling. People comforted each other and cried, one man remarking that Casey Anthony should leave town because she's not welcome in Orlando." -ABC news.
It looks like she got what she wanted. Not to have the responsibility for caring for Caylee. Now she can party all she wants. PFFT!
Mirror mirror on the wall...
I was sure she would be found guilty. There is just way too much evidence that backs it up... or so I thought.
My next question is, if Casey didn't murder Caylee, then WHO did?
I totally think Casey did it. I think that there wasn't enough circumstantial evidence to back this up, but us as knowing human beings who are able to make decisions and judgement on more than circumstantial evidence know what that horrible woman did. Now I am the niece of a controversial man here in Canada. He has quite the record here with the Canadian Law system (see Justice Denied), and I for one would not want to see another innocent person burned at the steak, but there is no doubt in my mind that this woman is guilty of murdering her child. No justice was served here. No one will pay the price for this poor child's life, except hopefully in the afterlife.
You're right Enig, now she can live the life she killed for.
What does PPFT mean? :confused:
Lol PFFT is a noise that people do out of anger, frustration, or disbelief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell
It's the only way I could spell it out? Lol
A person is innocent if there is reasonable doubt. It was up to the prosecution to make a case beyond reasonable doubt. That is hard to do without the pursuit of 1st degree murder. But that is the case the prosecution tried to prove with circumstantial evidence and pseudo-science(the car smelled like there was a dead boby in it... air samples taken... the use of psychic detectives ).
Ahhh sorry pffft. I understand. Lol sorry blonde moment.
I understand reasonable doubt, but I think the jury took it too far.
We're a jaded society. There are so many TV shows about forensic evidence, proving things beyond a doubt. The fingerprint on the murder weapon, DNA, you name it.
People expect there to be evidence, DNA, fingerprints, a video! That's not real life, but that's what most people expect.
The state proved their case, at least as far as I'm concerned. There was a body in the trunk of the car. No doubt about it. Two different dogs trained to detect human decomposition hit on the trunk. So, if Caylee wasn't in the trunk, who was?
The medical examiner that testified for the state said that no accidental drownings go unreported. That makes sense. Accidents happen. An accident is an accident. So why would someone cover that up?
So, if Caylee didn't drown, her body was in her moms car trunk, duct tape, chloroform. ***? Put the pieces together jury!
Why would George lie about an accidental drowning? He wouldn't! He's a cop!
It makes not sense. There's your reasonable doubt!
Cassie killed her child, and she got away with it.
She's scheduled to walk out of jail on Thursday. The jury asked that the charges she was found guilty on (lying to law enforcement) would be prosecuted as time served. In other words, she'll walk out of jail (if the judge agrees) a free woman.
Question is, will she be free? She can't go anywhere in the US, or Canada for that matter, without people coming after her to make her pay for what the majority of this world (minus 12 idiots) knows she did.
She may be out of jail, but she'll never be "free".
Alty, 100% agree. Every word makes sense.
Okay, as promised, I'm keeping this conversation here.
Truth is, I'm mad. I'm mad that Cassie/Cassey/murderer, is free.
I don't know what to say other then to say that I'm shocked.
Who parties when their child dies, even if it's an accident? Who covers up an accidental drowning? Who dumps their child in the woods, puts duct tape on her mouth, a heart sticker on the duct tape, and then a few days later enters a hot body contest at a bar?
They claim she was molested. So what? I was molested! Both my kids are alive!
If one of my kids died, I'd die!
That's enough evidence for me.
You know, Alty, I just didn't think about it the way you did. And you're right.
Here I am, with every reasonable fiber of my being screaming "GUILTY!"... but I am defending the jury decision because there wasn't enough "hard" evidence.
I'm a little disappointed in myself, I'll be honest :-/
She may be guilty, but the prosecution messed up and didn't prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by southamerica
I think she did it too . But ;None of the forensics stood up to cross examination. The prosecution never proved a murder happened let alone that it was Casey who did it. 85 searches for cholorform became one web search during questioning .
Oh the evidence proved she was a rotten mother and a liar no doubt about that . But they never proved she killed her daughter (1st degree) .
I think in retrospect the prosecution should've gone for a lesser charge. I think they went for the whole ball of wax because they were trying to force the defense into a plea. That's the risk they took .
I think she was negligent and the child fell in the pool . She then tried to cover it up. There is a charge there somewhere that isn't 1st degree murder.
Nope, I fully believe she set out with full intentions of killing her child.
Don't be disappointed in yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by southamerica
The fact is, we've all become jaded because of TV.
Question. Do you watch CSI? Do you watch any of the forensic dramas?
If so, you're like all of us. You've learned to expect hard evidence. You want the DNA, the fingerprints, the witnesses, the video.
The fact is, life isn't like TV.
The prosecution proved their case. The defense made the suggestion that Caylee drowned. No proof. Why would George put his daughter through a trial, facing the death penalty, duct taping his dead granddaughters mouth, placing her in 2 garbage bags and a laundry bag, then put a heart sticker on the duct tape, and dump her like trash? He's a cop! He knows accidents happen. Accidental drowning? Bull! Accidental drownings never go unreported. That was stated by an expert for the prosecution.
So, if it's not a drowning, let's look at the evidence.
There was chloroform found on the scene. The duct tape is fact, and the heart sticker is too. The fact that Caylee was placed in 2 garbage bags, and a laundry bag, and dumped like trash in the woods, Cassie borrows a shovel from the neighbors, 2 dogs hit on the backyard (My thought, Cassie tried to bury Caylee in the yard, but couldn't. I've been there. We dug a grave for our dog, could only get a few feet in before we hit clay). Two dogs hit on the trunk of the car, multiple people say it smelled like a dead body was inside the trunk. Thirty one days Cassie tells no one that Caylee is missing, lies when she's found 31 days later, in the meantime, it's party time. When she's finally found, she claims a kidnapping. For three years she sits in jail, still claiming her daughter was kidnapped, talking to her dad (the man that supposedly was there when Caylee drowned), saying she feels Caylee is alive. She lies, lies, lies, lies, lies. She parties, knowing that her child is dead (no matter which story you believe, murder or drowning, Cassie knows Caylee is dead, but enters a hot body contest, rents videos, lives it up). She gets a tattoo proclaiming her freedom.
I could go on.
How does the jury find this as evidence of innocence?
Where's the evidence of drowning?
There's none.
Evidence of murder? Well, there's no video, no fingerprints, no DNA. Caylee was dumped like garbage in a place that was underwater for months. DNA and fingerprints can't survive that.
Sorry, I'm just shocked!
Fact is, Cassie will probably write a book about all of this, do numerous interviews, and no one can touch her. She could admit that she killed her daughter on national TV, and since she's been found innocent of 1st degree murder, aggravated child neglect, aggravated manslaughter, no one can touch her. She'll live as a pariah, but a rich one, all because she killed her child!
The jury is suggesting to the judge that Cassie be released by Thursday, time served for the charges (lying to law enforcement). She could be free by Thursday.
Caylee, her little body left with duct tap on her mouth, chloroform found nearby, chloroform present in the trunk, where she died, body decomposed in a garbage dump. Caylee will never be free. Caylee will never see justice. Caylee will never grow up. RIP Caylee, beautiful girl. I'm so sorry that someone couldn't find justice for you. I'm so sorry that you got the cards you were dealt, the womb you were dealt. You deserve more!
Caylee didn't even live 3 years on this earth. She's dead now because of Cassie.
I don't give a rats arse if Cassie was molested. I've been there. For years, starting when I was 5, I was molested by my cousin. I won't even tell you the details. It's enough that they're in my head. My kids? They're alive and well, thriving, they will never know what I suffered. They will live their lives better then I did. Hopefully they will thrive from the love they're given.
So what if Cassie was molested? Even if she was, which I don't believe, does that give her the right to kill her child? Little note. The cousin that molested me, she's not allowed anywhere near my kids. I have nothing to do with her. But, George, and Lee Cassie's supposed molesters were not only allowed near Caylee, but many times were asked to watch her, unsupervised. Bull!
It doesn't make sense.
The jury is blind!
Thanks to them, a murderer is free. :(
I hope Karma does its thing. That's the only hope left here. :(
Me too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell
I don't buy the accidental drowning crap.
If it was accidental, who in their right mind would sit in jail for 3 years pretending their child was kidnapped, when it was an accidental drowning?
What father (especially an ex cop), would allow their child to sit in jail, face the death penalty, if it was an accidental drowning?
It doesn't make sense!
Even experts said that 1st degree murder was a long shot, but I'm surprised the jury didn't convict her of either or both of the manslaughter and child abuse charges. The evidence seemed strong and juries tend to convict defendants who are proven liars and who don't act in the perceived "correct" way that a grieving parent should act. It's a shame that she will walk while many innocent people like the West Memphis Three in Arkansas who have been in jail and death row since 1993 when it is obvious to anyone who has followed the case that they are totally innocent. I hope they get freedom someday soon.
That's because you are a good parent. My feelings on that are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
She doesn't deserve freedom, but she's getting it, and it makes me wonder how many others get away with murder. That's what happened here. Casey got away with murder.
Very sad! Very!
Our system is so jaded, and is so very wrong.
There's nothing wrong with the system. It works very well. There was too much circumstantial evidence, and the prosecution went down the wrong path.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enigma1999
Which upsets me very much!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
WG, after I reread the last few posts, and mine, I realized that what I said about our system, came out wrong. That's not at all what I meant. Actually, how you put it, is exactly how I feel.
I spoke too soon without thinking how I wanted to say it. Its been happening to me all day long with my posts. Off day, I guess.
I know exactly how you feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enigma1999
The problem here is that, somehow, the prosecution was so off that the jury couldn't convict Casey. Oh to be a fly on the wall in that jury room. HOW they are going to sleep tonight is beyond me...
That prosecution is tragic, poor little Caylee.
I look forward to hearing/reading the dissections of the verdict and comments from the jury. I always wanted to be a criminal defense attorney in a John Grisham novel.Quote:
Originally Posted by southamerica
The case has not been big over here, but can I ask, if the mother is being set free and not being done for murder, who is?
The child is still dead, if they did not have enough evidence to put the mother away, who are they looking at now? Or willl it become a cold case?
Yup. No one else is under suspicion at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by redhed35
That's terrible.
I guess in this case justice is blind, however, there's always divine justice, if the mother did murder her child she will never rid that stain, no matter how hard she tries, that's the stuff of nightmares and dark nights of the soul.
Exactly. If I had been a juror I wouldn't give a fig exactly what charge she was technically guilty of she sure as hell was guilty of something evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
It makes my blood boil when the defense come up with molestation during the defendent's own childhood as an excuse. Many many people have been molested, myself and friends I know included. Without exception the people I know are lovely compassionate caring people whose experiences have made them more, not less, likely to try their damndest to keep their own and all kids as safe and happy as possible.
There's just no excuse. Some people are just evil and selfish to the bone.
Fla rules are pretty strict on charges. I think the judges instructions gave them no option to convict on a lesser charge. This was a clear case of prosecutorial over-reach. Most times they get away with it . Sometimes the juries follow the letter of the law.
I can only hope her own personal hell is so horrible, any jail would pale in comparison.
Hey guys. Alty pointed me here from Facebook.
I was at a BBQ for the holiday and they had the TV on in the garage with the trial. One friend of mine feels she was using chloroform to make her sleep so she could go out more. Then she possibly used too much which killed her.
That sounded logical to me. But I honestly don't know exactly how chloroform works nor do I care. But I do feel for one there will be some sort of suicide resulting from this case. If she doesn't commit suicide from all the negative press and stress her new life will have for walking free then I am sure one of the jurors will. If those people involved in the choice to let her walk free don't realize the mistake they made and they can sleep at night then I hope they rot in hell. Did I just say that? I am sure it was beyond stressful for them but my gosh can't they see her actions? I know we all agree here. It just amazes me.
I have a friend on Facebook who instantly wrote that the system was right letting her go and it was all good and he was glad to see how the system is working. I started to reply in rage. I had a few choice words for him. But then I stopped and just moved past it. We all have our own opinions on this. But I know the majority will rule that lying sl-t should rot in prison. Suicide is to good for her.
Chloroform is a controlled substance; did that suggestion come up in the trial because I don't know where she would have got it to use that readily. Now if you go for sleeping pills, then I would think that would be plausible, and just a 'little bit more then necessary' would kill a toddler.Quote:
Originally Posted by 88sunflower
She is still to be charged on a few counts so is not out of court and free yet. She has been in prison for three years already and will do more prison time under the other charges. I don't know where she is spending her time, but usually people who abuse or kill children don't last long in the penal system and are sometimes dispatched by other inmates.
Tick
My hat is off to you, sunny, you showed great control in letting that go. It must have been difficult. I only wish some of us could do it that readily. That 'send' button is sometimes too tempting and once it goes, well, it goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by 88sunflower
Tick
I agree, that must have been hard Sunny, I don't know if I could have held the same self control. You know, who cares what she used to make her little one go to sleep, it's all disgusting. That poor girl. How could anyone sit there and think she is not guilty? Even her own mother believed she was guilty. My mother and I haven't always had the best relationship, but I know my mom is always on my side and she is also the person who knows me the best. If I did this disgusting crime, she would know. Her mother knew, just like we all know, that cow did it.
I didn't want to give up my carefree life either, but heck, that's life! Nothing is more important to me than my daughter and her well being. Yea there were lots of times I wanted to go out with friends, but being a single mom did not allow that. It makes me wonder why she just didn't give up custody? Give her to her parents, an aunt, a friend ANYONE! It makes me want to have a safe haven in my house. I wonder how you would go about doing that.
You're right Sunny, suicide is too good for her. She doesn't deserve to get off that easy. She deserves to relive her horrible actions every day and be tormented by the public. Sadly she probably thinks in her mind she is innocent.
I believe they mentioned she was in P.C (protective custody).Quote:
Originally Posted by tickle
Just a quick note. Media talked to one of the jurors, I believe it was juror number 3, and that juror said that the verdict made him/her sick. So why not guilty? If the verdict isn't what you wanted, why agree?
I really believe that the jury felt that she is guilty, they just didn't feel she was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Someone asked if they're looking at anyone else for the death of Caylee. No, they're not. Casey admitted that she was there when Caylee died. She lied in the beginning, saying Caylee was kidnapped by someone known as Zanny. That person doesn't exist. Casey sad in jail for three years and now claims that the death was accidental, Caylee drowned in the family pooil, George found the body, Casey was there, and George (the dad) convinced Casey that she'd go to jail if she reported the accidental drowning.
We're supposed to believe that Casey (the narcissist party girl) , sat in jail for 3 years, kept telling everyone that Caylee was kidnapped, without telling anyone that it was an accident, which isn't chargeable? Worse, we're supposed to believe that her father, George, allowed his daughter to go on trial, face the death penalty, for something he knew was an accidental drowning?
Bull!
I guess the jury believed it though, because Casey is not guilty.
If they don't believe she's guilty of murder, then they have to believe that Caylee drowned accidentally, somehow ended up with chloroform in her body, duct tape on her mouth, stuffed in two garbage bags, a laundry bag, put in the trunk of mommies car, and dumped like garbage in the woods, while her mother partied it up, hid for 31 days, and then claimed she was kidnapped. After all, that's how all accidental drownings happen.
Yup, that makes perfect sense. NOT! :(
Watch... She'll most likely have a made for television movie come out and someone like Jennifer Love Hewitt will play her part. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell
Unbelievable!
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