For all your hard work. Bless you.

I hope it's okay to comment still on this subject. I thank God, from the deepest part of my heart that Sarai and her beautiful baby are okay. My heart can just dance and I cry tears of great happiness.

There are only two reasons that I am so upset -

1) What this news could have done to those who are pregnant. The sheer shock and sadness it could have put so much stress on them. That makes me boil. I hope CBW and Alk are resting. Those are the two that pop into mind.

2) Now I have to tell hubby, who was shook by the news as well. And I guarantee you,
This will come up later, as he will no doubt bring this up to me as proof as to how foolish I can be to believe in people. I will never live this down.

But like excon, I am not going to change.

So sorry to all who felt such sadness (Start - I just love you)

I am grateful though, as this incident prompted me to make sure those that I love knew it:D I was sure to tell them, so that I thank you for.

J-9 don't you dare apologize for getting angry. You have every right and I hope you were able to get some rest.

Love and hugs to all.

Totally agree.

Yes we have to be thankful that "Sarai" and her baby are OK. The first reaction of course is anger. Death isn't a subject to joke about, and playing with peoples emotions like that is almost unforgivable.

But we have to try and calm down and forgive them, they are simply young and foolish. I think they realise they went too far and abused a lot of people's trust. But not all bad has come of it, as Allheart says, at least it's made us think about those people who are precious to us and to tell them we love them.

I give a special hug to those of you who knew "Sarai" on here and were dealing with shock and grief yesterday. You have a right to be angry longer than the rest of us ;-)

Allheart I was fine those who were talking to me from the start of it knew I was as suspicious as hell and I really really hate being lied to its my BIGGEST pet hate.
Saying all that I wish them well and I truly hope they live to regret there rather sickening lies and messing with so many NORMAL peoples lives.
I love you sweety and I'm sorry I told you to come look now but I couldn't let you find that weather I believed it true or not I was looking and finally blew last night before bed when I told j it was'nt right.

I am thankful for J_9 and CBW for being bold enough to question out loud what others were questioning in their minds. While I do not believe there is a real Sarai, she made that name up too. The baby pictures on her msn were of a little girl but dated from 2006. And the last name was not Spiel. But who can tell if any of that was true? She and her cohort(s) will find another site to go and play on.

Makes one wonder about being so trusting. But it is never wrong to care.

So it was all fake? I had that suspicion too which is why I did not post in that thread.

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I am thankful for J_9 and CBW for being bold enough to question out loud what others were questioning in their minds. While I do not believe there is a real Sarai, she made that name up too. The baby pictures on her msn were of a little girl but dated from 2006. And the last name was not Spiel. But who can tell if any of that was true? She and her cohort(s) will find another site to go and play on.

Makes one wonder about being so trusting. But it is never wrong to care.

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Shy hunny she had many of us fooled for a long time there are many questions regarding why and are you really who you say you are, but you know what I think its just time to reflect and put it behind up just shows though never get that involved with someone behind a PC you just never know what's real or a lie and you just end up hurt.
We live and learn hugs hunny xx

Hmm, I really need to get to work on that device to stab someone in the face over the internet.

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I am thankful for J_9 and CBW for being bold enough to question out loud what others were questioning in their minds. While I do not believe there is a real Sarai, she made that name up too. The baby pictures on her msn were of a little girl but dated from 2006. And the last name was not Spiel. But who can tell if any of that was true? She and her cohort(s) will find another site to go and play on.

Makes one wonder about being so trusting. But it is never wrong to care.

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That's so true Shy,
Was the myspace thing a scam too then?

NK,
Good for you, you were one of the few who did not fall for it...

Well apparently they were Canadian friends but all the videos showed them living lavishly in Florida. There was talk about what a great mother she was and the videos showed her leaving that baby alone on the bed while she went around the house videotapping.

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Well apparently they were Canadian friends but all the videos showed them living lavishly in Florida. There was talk about what a great mother she was and the videos showed her leaving that baby alone on the bed while she went around the house videotapping.

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Nk they lived in canada the ip's have always come from canada except the 6 weeks she was in Florida.

I am truly confused. I went to sleep early last night and obviously missed something. I woke up this morning and came to my computer looking for an update on the previous post about the loss. Now I can't find it and but I came across this thread. I really don't know what to think.

Ashley,
Apparently it was a troll, all faked. Pathetic but I've seen people do this before to get kicks.

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Nk they lived in canada the ip's have always come from canada except the 6 weeks she was in florida.

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What was the final giveaway that it was a troll? I missed that part.

Wow. This is really sad. Someone spent a lot of their time here, actually helping people and giving advice for months, just to play a sick joke? I am truly very sorry for the people that had their trust stomped on by this devious person(s). My first thought was anger, that someone would take advantage of people's emotions like that. Now, I am just sad that this person has nothing better to do with their time than to make others feel unnecessary grief.

The hubby so called posting in sarai's account it got very heavy last night I'm just glad its over with I hate proving someone wrong but hell that needed doing there were alarm bells all over and canada gave up her story saying it was a lie.
There's a lot more to it though and its going to take some serious looking into but I doubt there will ever be a trueth told :(

Sad about the people doing the troll, but well done on the sleuthing. Members here need to know since some were taking the news hard.

That's what got me riled, some had been trusting them and truly loving them( for the fakeness they were.)

They were the most hurt, first for the death thread,now the betrayal.

Yep FB and its those we need to be a little bit more thoughtfull of they didn't deserve there feelings hurt.

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Allheart i was fine those who were talking to me from the start of it knew i was as suspicious as hell and i really really hate being lied to its my BIGGEST pet hate.
Saying all that i wish them well and i truely hope they live to regret there rather sickening lies and messing with so many NORMAL peoples lives.
I love you sweety and im sorry i told you to come look now but i couldnt let you find that weather i believed it true or not i was looking and finally blew last night before bed when i told j it was'nt right.

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I love you bunches CBW and am so grateful that you did tell me and thought about me.

Hugs to everyone. There is good to be had in all of this madness.

To me, it shows that we at AMHD do genuinly care about each other. Don't let this
Change an ounce of that (does that make sense :confused: LOL

Sorry, at work but just had to thank CBW and give more hugs out.

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To me, it shows that we at AMHD do genuinly care about each other. Dont' let this
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Good point, Allheart. As hard is this is to deal with, especially to those that were close to this person, we shouldn't turn away from someone in the future that does need some one to trust and care about them, whether it be online or in real life.

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What was the final giveaway that it was a troll? I missed that part.

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Frankly, I wasn't looking for a troll. That's not my responsibility. But , while trying to get a grip around what was going on, I poured over dozens of early posts from both of those two, and I saw a trend... Everytime we'd hear from one, the other was gone... The "handwriting" from early was identical to "hubby's"... right down to the way of signing, "i'm off..."
"He" learned to post numerous places and even included links to YouTube... far to quickly to make me feel comfortable with the statement that "he" was "new"

I don't have access to IP addresses, but I smelled a fish. Others here and I agreed there was something wrong.

I'm temporarily disabled, so I've got lotsa time available, and spent some of that time looking over newspapers for Obit's or police reports, etc. Nothing to corroborate any of the claims.

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...that time looking over newspapers for Obit's or police reports, etc. Nothing to corroborate any of the claims.

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I did the same thing my friend, our radar must be tuned to the same frequency. :)

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Frankly, I wasn't looking for a troll. That's not my responsibility. But , while trying to get a grip around what was going on, I poured over dozens of early posts from both of those two, and I saw a trend...Everytime we'd hear from one, the other was gone... The "handwriting" from early was identical to "hubby's" ...right down to the way of signing, "i'm off..."
"He" learned to post numerous places and even included links to youtube... far to quickly to make me feel comfortable with the statement that "he" was "new"

I don't have access to IP addresses, but I smelled a fish. Others here and I agreed there was something wrong.

I'm temporarily disabled, so I've got lotsa time available, and spent some of that time looking over newspapers for Obit's or police reports, etc. Nothing to corroborate any of the claims.

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I did the same captain, and I talked to others who felt that way. Fortunately I have always been one who is skeptical when something like this happens, and have been online long enough to question... but it still was sad for me and everyone who initially believed it. As I saifd before Im more upset at the idea of such a terrible hoax than the lie itself.

Allheart - thanks for the concern, but I learned long ago not to get too worked up over things until I know for a fact they are true... You are such a good soul.

I'll tell you, at least one good thing came of this :
J_9 posted a link for a child safety seat that I forwarded to my son for his 4 year old daughter. He's going to look for one to put in the family car...

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I did the same thing my friend, our radar must be tuned to the same frequency. :)

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Well, I must admit I did have some suspicion. After the original post was posted, I looked at the 'deceased' one's profile, and noticed they were last seen at 3:00 pm that day. I was wondering how that was possible, until the 'husband' came on. That made me wonder a bit too just because I don't think if something happed to me, my boyfriend would log onto my computer the next day to see if I was talking to men. But I was fooled. I figured it was his way of dealing with the grief or something. I must say, I am still in shock.

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I'll tell you, at least one good thing came of this :
J_9 posted a link for a child safety seat that I forwarded to my son for his 4 year old daughter. He's going to look for one to put in the family car...

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I as well am purchasing one... I found it online yesterday. Thank you J :)

I just want to point out what a great website this is for those who use it properly and for our fine administrators who try to keep such things from happening. Their hard work and professionalism in handling the situation should be commended.

J-9, CBW, and all of you who smelled something fishy and followed your instincts. It is people like you that make this website all that it is.

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Hmm, I really need to get to work on that device to stab someone in the face over the internet.

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ROFLMAO! Can you design mine with a double barrel 12 gauge automatic with a clip that holds 50?

When I went to bed last night I was really thinking about this whole thing. I remember there were times when I felt that something was fishy period with saraispiel and canada_sweety. Some of things they confused from their past and present just seemed, well too much to me. I remember when I felt that I sort of stopped myself thinking I was judging someone else's life and that I don't know everything and it can be possible that some people can really live a really tough life.

I agree that they were clearly the same person and it was just some sort of sick game. It however still does not sit well with me. I can tell you that from now on I will trust my instincts when it comes to people on this site.

Also great work done by all mods and admins. This was a big undertaking - kudos guys.

I don't even know what to say, I feel such relief that they aren't dead and I am so confused as to WHAT HAPPENED or WHY! I am glad there are a lot of good people on this site to protect those of us that are too gullible to see the truth. I am just glad that baby is alive, more than anything.
IF anyone understands the whole story and has the time, could you fill me in? (AS to how you found out they were lying, was it just Canada or Sarai or they both the same person? I am so confused.
THanks to J and CBW for being the pitbulls we need on here. I need to stop being so open and trusting because I look like such a FOOOOL!!
OK well have a good day everyone... I have to go find Start. I can't even tell you what my eyes look like from crying. I Am so dumb...

You're not dumb shattered. A lot of people believed Canada_Sweety. Why would anyone think that someone would lie about something like that or why would anyone think that they made up people or made up who they were? We were all fooled.

This little game seems like a desperate need for attention. She seemed so normal. Too bad our friendship was so unimportant to her.

I feel sorry for people like that. I am not even angry, I just pity her. She must have some serious low self esteem to be in that kind of need for attention. I am thankful that I am not put together that way and I am ALWAYS honest about who I am on here. Sometimes I wince with embarrassment after I click on the post button but oh well. I put it out there and who ever wants to comment or care or respond, can. I am sure that I try to be a good person and this won't be the first or the last time someone has pulled the wool over my eyes.
No matter what, some people just do not have the ability to take responsibility for who they are or what they do to people. NO CONSCIENCE I guess. Sociopath maybe? IDK
KARMA will take care of that, I don't need to do anything, except continue to be me...

Just when you think you know people, you realize you don't. All I can do is be true to my own experience. I have a great capacity to love and neither of them (if there are two of them) are going to ruin it for me. I just need to be smarter about who I trust with it... RIGHT?
By the way, you guys all seem like good people to me, until proven otherwise, I believe what I see. So, thanks for that...

I agree with you fully shattered. What goes around definitely comes around.

Have you heard from start? I know that both of you were really hurt.

I think what we all collectively have to take from this is that there are some bad apples out there but they aren't spoiling the whole bunch. The people I have raised an eyebrow over have been few and far between and for the most part I find that everyone is being honest and truly sharing themselves in order to help.

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I don't even know what to say, I feel such relief that they aren't dead and I am so confused as to WHAT HAPPENED or WHY!! I am glad there are a lot of good people on this site to protect those of us that are too gullible to see the truth. I am just glad that baby is alive, more than anything.
IF anyone understands the whole story and has the time, could you fill me in? (AS to how you found out they were lying, was it just Canada or Sarai or they both the same person?? I am so confused.
THanks to J and CBW for being the pitbulls we need on here. I need to stop being so open and trusting because I look like such a FOOOOL!!!
OK well have a good day everyone... I have to go find Start. I can't even tell you what my eyes look like from crying. I Am so dumb...

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You are not dumb, you are just a caring individual who was taken in like a lot of us. I don't understand why anyone would do something like that. She doubtless thought it was a funny prank, but the last laugh is on her because she has lost all you wonderful caring friends on this forum.

Just a couple of more thoughts from me - and then I am going to just lay it to rest and let the sun come in :)

Oh dear Shattered, never feel bad for having a good, caring heart. There is nothing stupid about caring. So feel very good about yourself. I too, feel like, oh my, how is it my head could be in such a bubble, but I still will always believe with my heart. It is so rare that something like this happens. At least I think so.

I still am realing with happiness that Sarai and her daughter are okay. I know this may sound odd, but I truly have love for her in my heart. How sad she or whomever, must be inside. I can almost guranatee you, that she is crying with regret now, not laughing at her …oops I got ya…I believe far far from it.

My only annoyance with Sarai is if she negatively effected anyone because of the stress of the news. That was very insensitive, extremely.

In my heart I do believe, that those who did have a laugh with her, or shared some private talks, and had heartfelt moments, I truly believe what came from her was sincere. I don't think it would be good to throw it all away.

This was a big huge bad turn in the road for Sarai and I just pray that she can turn this around. I still am so very concerned for her.

I hope you don't feel I am downplaying the pain that was caused. I am just so concerned that Sarai's pain and what drove her to do this may be more troubled then we could realize.

My thoughts and prayers are still with Saria, as well as my concern for her. Also, I am so glad to “know” so many good, kind caring people such as all of you. I continue to believe in each of you and your good hearts.

No, we weren't “had”. We were pulled into another part of Sarai, perhaps a very troubled part and all we can do is hope that she can pull herself out of this sad place she is in.

Many hugs to each of you.

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Just a couple of more thoughts from me - and then I am going to just lay it to rest and let the sun come in :)

Oh dear Shattered, never feel bad for having a good, caring heart. There is nothing stupid about caring. So feel very good about yourself. I too, feel like, oh my, how is it my head could be in such a bubble, but I still will always believe with my heart. It is so rare that something like this happens. At least I think so.

I still am realing with happiness that Sarai and her daughter are okay. I know this may sound odd, but I truly have love for her in my heart. How sad she or whomever, must be inside. I can almost guranatee you, that she is crying with regret now, not laughing at her …oops I got ya…I believe far far from it.

My only annoyance with Sarai is if she negatively effected anyone because of the stress of the news. That was very insensitive, extremely.

In my heart I do believe, that those who did have a laugh with her, or shared some private talks, and had heartfelt moments, I truly believe what came from her was sincere. I don’t think it would be good to throw it all away.

This was a big huge bad turn in the road for Sarai and I just pray that she can turn this around. I still am so very concerned for her.

I hope you don’t feel I am downplaying the pain that was caused. I am just so concerned that Sarai’s pain and what drove her to do this may be more troubled then we could realize.

My thoughts and prayers are still with Saria, as well as my concern for her. Also, I am so glad to “know” so many good, kind caring people such as all of you. I continue to believe in each of you and your good hearts.

No, we weren’t “had”. We were pulled into another part of Sarai, perhaps a very troubled part and all we can do is hope that she can pull herself out of this sad place she is in.

Many hugs to each of you.

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Allheart, you took the words right out of my mouth. I am done too! HUGS TO ALL!

Allheart I have been thinking and I do agree. There have been a lot of moments where both sarai and canada had shown compassion and love in this community. That they wished to play us in this way only speaks of some other, perhaps troubled, aspects of their personalities.

Sadly I do not wish to see either of them back here after this though. I work on the principle of giving my trust readily, but giving trust for a second time almost never.

Allheart, thank you always for your kind thoughts and words that always open our eyes, you're truly something special.

Allheart, as I have said many times in the past, you are so aptly named. You are truly all heart.

I do believe that Sarai was making an attempt at a practical joke. She is young and immature. I don't think she expected it to backfire on her like this, and I am 100%positive that if she isn't regretting her decision and very upset now, she will be over the next few days. She is going to miss the friends she made here. I suspect she has learned a very hard life lesson.

I'm with allheart.

I may have gotten punked, but I'll still believe that everyone here is real and honest.

If anything, it made me give the wife and kids extra hugs, and made me realize that although I disagree and argue with a lot of you, I do wish the best for you all.

Thanks to admin for sorting this thing out.







Grace and Peace