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  • Jul 12, 2011, 06:40 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Since no one (except Casey) knows and can prove exactly what happened, there is reasonable doubt........... but there is no hard evidence, just circumstantial evidence............ Yes, there was tons of other circumstantial evidence.

    WG, you continue to miss the point of the meaning of "beyond a reasonable doubt". You say that only Casey can "prove" what happened. PROOF, IN THE SENSE YOU MEAN, IS NOT NECESSARY! The EVIDENCE is the key.

    Then you say there is "NO HARD EVIDENCE, JUST CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE". What do you mean, "JUST"? There's no such thing, in law, as JUST circumstantial evidence. Evidence, whether circumstantial or direct, is still EVIDENCE! Evidence is what is used to convict or acquit.

    (Excuse my caps, but I'm getting so damn frustrated as Altenweg and I do this again and again and again, and it seems you're not reading/examining our previous posts on the issue).

    There will always be some scenario that someone can construct that would indicate innocence - but does that scenario pass the test of common sense? If it does, acquit. If not, convict. I cannot imagine a single scenario for innocence (not guilty) that fits the evidence presented - not a single one.

    As a Judge said in another case trying to explain the idea of "reasonable" doubt, is it possible that an alien committed the crime and removed the evidence? Yes, it's within the realm of possibility, but is it reasonable? No.

    You admit there was "tons of circumstantial evidence" - but tons weren't enough for you? Tons? How many tons do you need?

    I know you're bending over backwards in an attempt to be fair, but a court must work within the rules.

    Jury trials are an advance over trial by ordeal, but they are not perfect.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 06:46 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    As I have heard described elsewhere....the problem is the legal definition of "Beyond a REASONABLE doubt" has some taken the meaning in far too many peoples minds to mean " Beyond ANY doubt". And those two things mean very different things.

    Right, you summed it up nicely.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 06:51 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    WG, you continue to miss the point of the meaning of "beyond a reasonable doubt".

    I don't think so.
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    You say that only Casey can "prove" what happened.
    No, I said she is the only one who knows what happened, how Caylee died.
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    you're not reading/examining our previous posts on the issue
    Nor are you mine.
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    There will always be some scenario that someone can construct that would indicate innocence - but does that scenario pass the test of common sense? If it does, acquit. If not, convict.
    This is the U.S. justice system and how it works? -- common sense?
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    I know you're bending over backwards in an attempt to be fair
    Saints preserve us all, especially me.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 06:57 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Her suspicious behavior persuaded me, just like it persuaded you.

    It is very honest of you to admit that you were swayed by "suspicious behavior", but very dishonest to accuse Altenweg of the same thing.

    Altenweg, for 3 days now, has laid out logical point by logical point.

    Nowhere did she give you any reason to say that she was persuaded by "suspicious behavior".

    I have to add that so far no one has provided a REASONABLE alternative to the known (condemning) facts.

    Unless we are to believe that Casey was molested by her father and brother at the age of eight, and this led to the accidental death of her child in a swimming pool 15 years later. How in the world could anyone connect THOSE dots?
  • Jul 12, 2011, 07:06 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    It is very honest of you to admit that you were swayed by "suspicious behavior", but very dishonest to accuse Altenweg of the same thing.

    What else is it? That seems to be what Alty has been talking about all this time, i.e. Casey's behavior before and during that month. If I am wrong, I apologize to her.
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    I have to add that so far no one has provided a REASONABLE alternative to the known (condemning) facts.
    Accidental death is a reasonable alternative.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 07:19 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    This is the U.S. justice system and how it works? -- common sense?

    YES!

    Finally, we may have a breakthrough here. A jury is charged with using its common sense. YES! YES! YES!

    A jury listens to, watches, and examines testimonies, all the while utilizing its God-given common sense. That's the prime reason why we have trials by jury, so that 12 jurors can collectively employ their life experience, their wisdom, and their common sense.

    Without the common sense of human beings, we might as well have a computer program to sit in judgement -a program, by the way, that would be utterly defeated by the notion of reasonable doubt.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 07:28 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    What else is it?

    Accidental death is a reasonable alternative.

    (What else is it?) How about those "tons" (your words) of circumstantial evidence for a starter?

    Accidental death is not an argument, it's a statement. I think Altenweg has covered this possibility extensively in a few previous posts. I won't re-do it here. It's there for your perusal.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 07:40 PM
    smoothy

    Legally you don't even NEED a body for a murder conviction. There are numerous cases to show precedent for that.

    And its "Reasonable doubt" not "ANY doubt" that's the threshold of proof that's being overlooked.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 07:41 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    A jury listens to, watches, and examines testimonies, all the while utilizing its God-given common sense. That's the prime reason why we have trials by jury, so that 12 jurors can collectively employ their life experience, their wisdom, and their common sense.

    And if Caylee accidentally drowned (or died somehow by accident) and Casey panicked, but then used that to her advantage?
  • Jul 12, 2011, 07:50 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    And if Caylee accidentally drowned (or died somehow by accident) and Casey panicked, but then used that to her advantage?

    Used to what advantage? Not sure what you mean.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 08:06 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Used to what advantage? Not sure what you mean.

    Let's say Caylee drowned accidentally. For some reason, Casey, being the clueless person she is or maybe was drunk or had taken drugs, was too scared to report it, thinking no one would believe her and would think she had done something to cause the little girl's death. So she put the body in a garbage bag and then in the trunk of her car (sounds like something she would do, even if she hadn't killed the girl) and blocked it out of her mind, continued to party, telling her parents Casey was away from home. So, in that way Casey could have used the accidental death to her own advantage.

    I have a niece who is capable of something like that. She didn't hide the death of her child, but did accidentally burn down her family's house and attached garage in a very bubble-headed way and then went merrily on with her life.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 09:09 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Let's say Caylee drowned accidentally. For some reason, Casey, being the clueless person she is or maybe was drunk or had taken drugs, was too scared to report it, thinking no one would believe her and would think she had done something to cause the little girl's death. So she put the body in a garbage bag and then in the trunk of her car (sounds like something she would do, even if she hadn't killed the girl) and continued to party, telling her parents Casey was away from home. So, in that way Casey could have used the accidental death to her own advantage.



    What mother, in a million years, would ever take her (accidentally) drowned daughter and throw her into garbage bags? Then throw her into the trunk of her car and let her rot there for a month? And then create lie after lie after lie about what happened? Certainly not a mother whose daughter accidentally drowned. Is it possible? Yes. Is it probable? No. Even drunk or drugged. She's sober the next day.

    Remember there's more. She researched how to kill (a reasonable assumption) her daughter using chloroform. She also researched "breaking a neck". Chloroform was found by forensic experts. A chloroform syringe also. Drowned children are not chloroformed.

    Duct tape covered her daughter's mouth and nose. Drowned children are not duct taped.

    Fantastic lies about non-existent nannies, non-existent jobs, and then recanting all those stories to be replaced by stories of molestation by her father and brother when she was 8 years old.

    If this doesn't tell you she was guilty beyond a "reasonable" doubt, nothing ever will.







    Duct tape was found on the remains, covering the child's mouth and nose.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 09:26 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    What mother, in a million years, would ever take her (accidentally) drowned daughter and throw her into garbage bags?

    The daughter is dead. There's nothing she can do about it. She's scared because she will be accused of hurting the girl. Each day that goes by without being found out makes it more and more likely to her that she's managing the situation. She can even ignore the smell coming from the trunk of the car. The daughter's death is not her fault, but there's nothing she can do to bring her daughter back to life. So why not take advantage of her freedom.

    Yes, there are mothers like this.
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    Remember there's more. She researched how to kill (a reasonable assumption) her daughter using chloroform. She also researched "breaking a neck". Chloroform was found by forensic experts. A chloroform syringe also.
    Oh, yes, she researched it, but Fate intervened and took the girl before she could kill her.
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    Duct tape covered her daughter's mouth and nose. Drowned children are not duct taped.
    This was insurance. If the body had been found, Casey could have said that someone murdered the little girl, thus taking the onus off her, since she knew the girl had accidentally drowned.
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    Fantastic lies about non-existent nannies, non-existent jobs, and then recanting all those stories to be replaced by stories of molestation by her father and brother when she was 8 years old.
    I didn't say she isn't a nut-case or a pathological liar.
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    If this doesn't tell you she was guilty beyond a "reasonable" doubt, nothing ever will.
    Nope, it doesn't.
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    Duct tape was found on the remains, covering the child's mouth and nose.
    Additional insurance in case someone found her. Make it look like someone murdered her. Take the trail away from herself.

    Remember, she's not a member of Mensa.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 10:00 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    The daughter is dead. There's nothing she can do about it. She's scared because she will be accused of hurting the girl. Each day that goes by without being found out makes it more and more likely to her that she's managing the situation. She can even ignore the smell coming from the trunk of the car. The daughter's death is not her fault, but there's nothing she can do to bring her daughter back to life. So why not take advantage of her freedom.

    Yes, there are mothers like this.

    Oh, yes, she researched it, but Fate intervened and took the girl before she could kill her.

    This was insurance. If the body had been found, Casey could have said that someone murdered the little girl, thus taking the feared onus off her, since she knew the girl had accidentally drowned.

    I didn't say she isn't a nut-case.

    Nope, it doesn't.

    Additional insurance in case someone found her. make it look like someone murdered her. Take the trail away from her.

    Why will she be scared if she's accused of hurting the girl? There's simply no evidence to support that supposition. The rest of your scenario is based on this weak proposition of her being afraid to be accused. You're building a house of cards.

    In the recorded history of child pool drownings in Florida, there has NEVER been a case where the mother didn't report it. From an expert witness.

    As I've said again and again, yes, you can make up scenarios, but are they reasonable? In this case, absolutely not.

    Why is the trunk of her car drenched in chloroform? From an expert witness.

    Explain the syringe.

    Wouldn't a mother be wracked with grief had her daughter drowned? Explain her party behavior, her tattoos.

    Finally, do you seriously believe a mother would drive around for a month with her daughter's body in the trunk of her car.

    Everything about her actions shows guilt. Common sense. Reasonable doubt.

    You have shown, again and again, that you don't understand the legal meaning of circumstantial evidence, and the concept of reasonable doubt. I don't BLAME you for that, but I think it behooves you now to go research these ideas so we can be discussing from a common basis.

    I can't keep repeating the same things over and over again.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 10:22 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Why will she be scared if she's accused of hurting the girl?

    She's sitting there with her daughter's dead body. She's young and stupid. She's in shock. She has a history of being accused of wrongdoing (or may believe she does), so why not this time too?
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    In the recorded history of child pool drownings in Florida, there has NEVER been a case where the mother didn't report it. From an expert witness.
    And Casey was an everyday, normal mom?
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    As I've said again and again, yes, you can make up scenarios, but are they reasonable? In this case, absolutely not.
    You are thinking of Casey as your average, loving mom without looking at what else may have been going on inside her.
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    Why is the trunk of her car drenched in chloroform? From an expert witness.
    More insurance? Covers up the smell? She dumped the bottle of chloroform into the trunk just because? She kept the "evidence" all together? (It doesn't take much chloroform to knock out a child. So why so much if she killed Caylee?)
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    Explain the syringe.
    Like I said, maybe she had planned murder, but Fate intervened. Or, more insurance to make it look like someone else had killed the girl?

    Did she purchase the chloroform and syringe before or after Caylee's death? Were any receipts produced?
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    Wouldn't a mother be wracked with grief had her daughter drowned?
    Maybe she was. But the girl was dead (accidentally), and she was free of responsibility. Time to party.
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    Explain her party behavior, her tattoos.
    See above.
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    Finally, do you seriously believe a mother would drive around for a month with her daughter's body in the trunk of her car.
    Yes, a very dysfunctional one would. You are thinking "normal" here.
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    Everything about her actions shows guilt. Common sense. Reasonable doubt.
    Guilt? Not at all! Whether she killed Caylee or the girl accidentally drowned, Casey's actions show only one thing: She is the center of her own world.

    We can end this here, if you like.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 10:35 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    We can end this here, if you like.

    LOL - yeah, time to end it.

    You have presented what I would call the "alien" defense. Somebody from outer space did it. No matter how unreasonable, throw it at the fan.

    Good job.

    If I ever need a good defense attorney... and the jury has the IQ of a rutabaga...
  • Jul 12, 2011, 10:39 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    If I ever need a good defense attorney

    Maybe I'll get my law degree next.
  • Jul 12, 2011, 11:22 PM
    tickle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Casey Anthony is being RELEASED from jail - Sunday.

    Did you think she was staying?

    I haven't been following this Athos. I don't want to.

    Tick
  • Jul 13, 2011, 04:21 PM
    Alty

    Quote:

    Like I said, maybe she had planned murder, but Fate intervened. Or, more insurance to make it look like someone else had killed the girl?

    Did she purchase the chloroform and syringe before or after Caylee's death? Were any receipts produced?
    WG, I have to point this out. The chloroform wasn't purchased, that's why she researched how to make it online, visiting one particular site with detailed info on how to make (not purchase) chloroform at home.

    I have to ask, if the child accidentally drowned, why take the time to chloroform her, duct tape her, put her in two garbage bags, a laundry bag, and dump her in the woods.

    Seems like overkill to me.

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    Guilt? Not at all! Whether she killed Caylee or the girl accidentally drowned, Casey's actions show only one thing: She is the center of her own world.
    I'm still amazed that you've read all of this evidence and believe Casey ( a known liar) about the drowning. I'm also shocked that you would think that a narcissist like Casey would sit in jail for 3 years when Caylee's death was accidental (according to you). Can you explain that? Why would you sit in jail for 3 years for something that wasn't chargeable? Why wouldn't you be admitting that the child drowned? Why wait until your trial to let that info out?
  • Jul 13, 2011, 05:02 PM
    tomder55

    All this is some fine speculation . None of it was proved beyond the high burden of reasonable doubt. I agree with those who blame CSI . In the past the prosecutors may have been able to skate and get by with a jury pool that did not have much understanding of forensics . As the people have become smarter ,perhaps it is tougher for prosecutors to build a case . Too bad . This should be a message to over-reaching prosecutors to get their ducks in a row before they attempt to get a capital first degree murder conviction.
  • Jul 13, 2011, 05:20 PM
    Alty

    First-degree murder
    Definition
    : a murder that is committed with premeditation or during a serious felony (as kidnapping) or that otherwise (as because of extreme cruelty) requires the most serious punishment under the law

    Found;

    http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source...hGtL3Q&cad=rja

    The reason the prosecution went for a first degree murder charge are the searches which include: chloroform, inhalation, alcohol, death, self-defense, making weapons, and head injuries.

    Also, the duct tape and the presence of chloroform in the trunk of the car, and found on the scene.

    This shows premeditation.

    They didn't over reach, not at all.
  • Jul 13, 2011, 05:37 PM
    Alty

    One other point that hasn't been mentioned yet. Early on, during a visit with her parents that was recorded at the jail house, there was a rumor that Caylee had drowned in the swimming pool. Cindy brought it up in the conversation, said that was the latest rumor going around, Casey's response" Surprise, surprise". In other words, she's not surprised that people are making up stories.

    ‪Casey Anthony Says She Is Victim in Jail Intervi‬‏ - YouTube

    If Caylee had drowned, this would have been the opportunity to tell all, instead she denied it, stuck with the kidnapping story.

    Make sense?
  • Jul 13, 2011, 11:41 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Altenweg View Post
    I'm still amazed that you've read all of this evidence and believe Casey ( a known liar) about the drowning.

    You didn't really read what I wrote, did you.
  • Jul 16, 2011, 07:18 PM
    Alty
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    You didn't really read what I wrote, did you.

    Yes WG, I did.

    Quote:

    Let's say Caylee drowned accidentally. For some reason, Casey, being the clueless person she is or maybe was drunk or had taken drugs, was too scared to report it, thinking no one would believe her and would think she had done something to cause the little girl's death. So she put the body in a garbage bag and then in the trunk of her car (sounds like something she would do, even if she hadn't killed the girl) and blocked it out of her mind, continued to party, telling her parents Casey was away from home. So, in that way Casey could have used the accidental death to her own advantage.
  • Jul 16, 2011, 08:10 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Altenweg View Post
    Yes WG, I did.

    I think WG is posing a possible scenario to show the case was short of "beyond a reasonable doubt". I think somewhere along the line WG agreed that she was guilty, but she (WG) thought a lesser charge was appropriate.

    Even though lesser charges were proffered (manslaughter), WG either missed that or felt even that was not "lesser" enough.

    We're getting to the point where it becomes difficult to remember everything that has been said in this thread.

    But my conviction that pre-meditated murder happened has not, for a single moment, been shaken by a single thing I have read here or elsewhere.

    Most revealing will be Casey Anthony's actions in the near future. Will she do super-highly-paid interviews? Will she garner oodles of money with a book? How about a movie? If the answer to any of these is YES - making money off the death of her child - even the unconvinced will begin to wonder.

    Paramount now is her physical safety as she is released from jail. Some self-appointed avenger may be lurking out there. Even though I believe she is guilty, I pray that she finds a safe place away from the madding crowd.
  • Jul 16, 2011, 08:39 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Even though I believe she is guilty, I pray that she finds a safe place away from the madding crowd.

    Most of the world thinks she is guilty. In today's newspaper, there was a short article about a woman in Oklahoma who rammed the vehicle of another woman who apparently looks like Casey Anthony.

    Fri, Jul. 15 2011 04:15 PM EDT
    Casey Anthony Lookalike Attacked by Oklahoma Stranger
    By Eryn Sun

    More and more cases of strangers being persecuted for indirect relations to Casey Anthony are being reported, with an Oklahoma woman recently attacked for looking like the 25-year-old.

    Sammay Blackwell, who works at a convenient store, was rear-ended by a woman who accused her of looking like Anthony, according to KOTV.

    Blackwell told reporters that Shireen Nalley came into her convenient store last Friday and told her, “You look like Casey Anthony.”

    “She said that I was trying to hurt babies, I was killing babies, and she was going to stop it before it happened again.”

    When Blackwell left work around 10:30 p.m. that night, she got into her car and saw Nalley again.

    “I began to back out and looked, and I could tell she was staring directly at me; I could almost see the whites of her eyes. I proceeded to pull out of the parking lot, and she was right behind me.”

    After driving a few miles, Nalley rammed her van into the back of Blackwell's truck, and struck her again, causing Blackwell's vehicle to flip two and a half times before landing on the driver's side.

    “I just laid there playing dead,” she recalled.

    Blackwell's mother Debbie Smith told KOTV that she would never forget her daughter's reaction. “I got to her, she was crying, she was shaking, she says, 'Mama, this lady thinks I'm Casey Anthony, she tried to kill me.'”

    “[Nalley] could have taken me away from my family, my daughter,” Blackwell said, who also has a daughter coincidentally by the name of Caylee as well.

    Police arrested Nalley on charges of assault and battery with a deadly weapon. KOTV reported that the woman told police she was “trying to save the children.”

    Blackwell, as well as many others, worries about the aftermath of Anthony's release from jail.

    “I don't look that much like her, so what about people who actually do look like her and live closer to Florida instead of Oklahoma? What's going to happen to those people?”

    Anthony will be released from prison on Sunday, with the general public protesting her acquittal and early release. She was found not guilty on counts of murder, manslaughter, and child abuse.

    However, she was charged with four counts of lying to law enforcement and sentenced to four years in jail, along with a $4000 fine. Anthony's release date was sooner than expected due to time already served and gain time based on her good behavior.

    Her defense lawyer, Jose Baez, filed a notice of appeal for her four convictions at the Orange County Courthouse on Friday.
  • Jul 16, 2011, 09:23 PM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Most of the world thinks she is guilty. In today's newspaper, there was a short article about a woman in Oklahoma who rammed the vehicle of another woman who apparently looks like Casey Anthony.

    Fri, Jul. 15 2011 04:15 PM EDT
    Casey Anthony Lookalike Attacked by Oklahoma Stranger
    By Eryn Sun

    More and more cases of strangers being persecuted for indirect relations to Casey Anthony are being reported, with an Oklahoma woman recently attacked for looking like the 25-year-old.

    Sammay Blackwell, who works at a convenient store, was rear-ended by a woman who accused her of looking like Anthony, according to KOTV.

    Blackwell told reporters that Shireen Nalley came into her convenient store last Friday and told her, “You look like Casey Anthony.”

    “She said that I was trying to hurt babies, I was killing babies, and she was going to stop it before it happened again.”

    When Blackwell left work around 10:30 p.m. that night, she got into her car and saw Nalley again.

    “I began to back out and looked, and I could tell she was staring directly at me; I could almost see the whites of her eyes. I proceeded to pull out of the parking lot, and she was right behind me.”

    After driving a few miles, Nalley rammed her van into the back of Blackwell’s truck, and struck her again, causing Blackwell’s vehicle to flip two and a half times before landing on the driver’s side.

    “I just laid there playing dead,” she recalled.

    Blackwell’s mother Debbie Smith told KOTV that she would never forget her daughter’s reaction. “I got to her, she was crying, she was shaking, she says, ‘Mama, this lady thinks I’m Casey Anthony, she tried to kill me.’”

    “[Nalley] could have taken me away from my family, my daughter,” Blackwell said, who also has a daughter coincidentally by the name of Caylee as well.

    Police arrested Nalley on charges of assault and battery with a deadly weapon. KOTV reported that the woman told police she was “trying to save the children.”

    Blackwell, as well as many others, worries about the aftermath of Anthony’s release from jail.

    “I don’t look that much like her, so what about people who actually do look like her and live closer to Florida instead of Oklahoma? What’s going to happen to those people?”

    Anthony will be released from prison on Sunday, with the general public protesting her acquittal and early release. She was found not guilty on counts of murder, manslaughter, and child abuse.

    However, she was charged with four counts of lying to law enforcement and sentenced to four years in jail, along with a $4000 fine. Anthony’s release date was sooner than expected due to time already served and gain time based on her good behavior.

    Her defense lawyer, Jose Baez, filed a notice of appeal for her four convictions at the Orange County Courthouse on Friday.

    Amazing story and, I'm afraid, it won't be the last.
  • Jul 17, 2011, 01:09 PM
    Alty

    Well, she's out. She was released shortly after midnight today. She's a free woman, walked right out the front door of the jail, got into an SUV, and now, God only knows where she is.

    Her life will be hell, but a million dollar interview has already been offered to her, and money for pictures in the next few weeks.

    Also, just a side note, she's appealing the 4 convictions for lying to police. Her attorney believes all the lies she told should have been lumped into one. So, more tax payer dollars going towards Casey. :(
  • Jul 17, 2011, 01:49 PM
    tickle
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Amazing story and, I'm afraid, it won't be the last.

    Hi Athos, just an aside, and I am not being rude, but why don't you just delete some of the post you ar highlighting and just concentrate on a major sentence for your reply because we have already read through the original post. Sorry... admire your responses. This is just an IMO :D
  • Aug 7, 2011, 03:08 PM
    classyT

    Alty,

    She was seen last week in a store close to OSU campus here in Ohio. I actually go to the area she was spotted all the time. If I see her, I will kick her butt and let you know how it felt. Ha ha ( actually couldn't kick anyone's hinney, I'm a wimp) BUT..
    It brought up a question on a local christian radio station. The DJ asked what would you do if she showed up at your Church. Interesting question I thought and as a Christian, it is easier to say what you should do and a lot harder to do it.

    I guess I believe she isn't getting away with anything. It only looks like she did. I believe with all of my heart Caylee is in a better place. I guess it is the only way I know how to deal with the entire mess.
  • Aug 7, 2011, 04:11 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    She was seen last week in a store close to OSU campus here in Ohio.

    That wasn't her.
  • Aug 7, 2011, 04:44 PM
    classyT

    WG,
    Really? Well I was on vacation last week. I just heard the report that it was her. Hadn't heard the latest. Well, I guess never mind then.



    ... note...

    I just checked out the pictures on TMZ. It LOOKS like her and they aren't confirming it was or wasn't.
  • Aug 7, 2011, 05:45 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by classyT View Post
    I just checked out the pictures on TMZ. It LOOKS like her and they aren't confirming it was or wasn't.

    The most hated woman in America isn't going to be waltzing around at some mall shopping and looking like herself. You have heard what happened to a few women who look like her, haven't you?

    TMZ is a gossip web site that I wouldn't trust any farther than I could throw it.
  • Aug 7, 2011, 06:30 PM
    Aurora_Bell

    I actually just watched TMZ and it showed video of the alleged Casey. She was wearing an Ohio state ball cap. But they said specifically it was her. Even as a gossip show, I would assume they would have to cover themselves legally. She was shopping at Old Navy by her self.
  • Aug 7, 2011, 06:47 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell View Post
    I actually just watched TMZ and it showed video of the alleged Casey. She was wearing an Ohio state ball cap. But they said specifically it was her. Even as a gossip show, I would assume they would have to cover them selves legally. She was shopping at Old Navy by her self.

    Who's going to sue them? Casey? And for what?

    The Website notes that the woman is first seen wearing flip-flops on the corner of a street called Glenmar. “The suggestion is that Casey went for a stroll with her Starbucks,” however, Lalate.com found the nearest Starbucks from Glenmar is two miles away – not just a short stroll down the street, which could be a bit difficult to walk in flip-flops.
  • Aug 7, 2011, 06:58 PM
    Wondergirl

    Here's some more gossip to bite into --

    Some have speculated that if the photos are of Casey, she may be pregnant as she appears to have put on several pounds since she walked out of jail a free woman on July 17, 2011 after being acquitted by a Florida jury.

    Or maybe she's put on a little weight from eating real food (instead of institutional food).
  • Aug 7, 2011, 07:29 PM
    Aurora_Bell

    Well I was actually thinking that the person who "was" Casey would sue, but I guess after thinking it out, I'm not sure for what. Just seems there would have to be some legal standing there. But I really wouldn't know either way.

    Wow, I really, really hope this woman is not pregnant.
  • Aug 7, 2011, 07:45 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell View Post
    Wow, I really, really hope this woman is not pregnant.

    Like I said, gossip.
  • Aug 7, 2011, 07:56 PM
    Alty

    Doesn't really matter if it was her or not.

    Her lawyers are back in court. They're fighting the probation order for when she was charged with writing fake cheques. The judge at that trial specifically said, in court, that she was to serve probation after any jail time she was to endure. Well, somewhere along the way someone screwed up. She was sent a letter stating that her probation was served while she was in jail.

    Well, that's not what the first judge intended, so now they're fighting in court.

    If the probation order is held, she'll have to go back to Florida for her 1 year probation.
  • Aug 7, 2011, 08:08 PM
    Wondergirl

    She could probably have probation transferred to where she is now.

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