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Originally Posted by Clough

Naw! I think that the issues are only between a few people.

In my opinion, the thread should remain open, and die on it's own.

There really have been only a precious few of us who have beem parcipating on it anyway...

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It is a decision I will have to make Clough, and I will make it, either way, in the best interests of the members involved.

I have been watching this thread since its inception. I know what is happening. I know who has been hurt and why.

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Originally Posted by J_9

I actually moved the thread before anyone even asked.

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Didn't realize that and now I see it's several posts back - my error.

Well I guess it remains that I too should apologize. I think it is clear that my intention when creating this thread was never to start any controversy of any type but to generate some 'personal growth' intrinsic thought.

Over the last two years and nine months that I have been a member of AMHD I have never intentionally participated in arguing or tried to start trouble. If you take a minute to research my threads or any of my posts I believe that you will find that I have tried to be an upstanding member who hopefully brought something positive to the table.

"What would you do if you knew that you would not fail?

This thread's intention was not to be frivolous or to provoke any negative controversial reactions. It was a simple (clear in its intent, I thought) question fully intended to possibly provide a thoughtful response and give others (and myself) the benefit of other members' thoughts.

So, I will in the future choose even more carefully all that I have to ask or say.

I am sorry that this whole mess has taken on a life way beyond what it was created for. I personally do not like to be involved in anything like this has evolved into.

Closing the thread is simple and at this point not a bad idea although I have never had one of my threads closed before I suggest that it should be. However will that resolve the underlying issue that apparently exists, I don't know, hopefully.

All that I have said has been with the knowledge that control is necessary to have a great site like AMHD. And I agree that no other site in my humble opinion is as helpful and thought provoking as the only one where I choose to be a member.


Close it please.

Stringer

Closing the thread will not accomplish anything.

Stringer, I thank you for opening up this thread. It has meant a lot and a lot of good ideas and thoughts have been shared on this thread. Also would like to see and say that maybe resolutions can be done on this page as well.

Stay strong everyone and love you all, and know that maybe the stress of life is getting to each and everyone of us in different ways but we all should come together and mend fences.

No talking about what happened, or second guessing or grudging up things.

Lets make tomorrow a new day with a new set of mind and move on and be better for it. All friendships and family goes through there ups and downs and arguments and disagreements , etc..

But eventually it will work itself out and we will be stronger for it. We are a family here.

Hoping for the best and closing this thread will not resolve anything but make things worse, I know that from PAST experience.

JH, I really liked your post about not failing as a father and husband. It really connected with me too, except me being a mother. My daughters father didn't have the easiest life growing up, I vow to make my daughters the best I can. Even as a single mom.

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Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

JH, I really liked your post about not failing as a father and husband. It really connected with me too, except me being a mother. My daughters father didn't have the easiest life growing up, I vow to make my daughters the best I can. Even as a single mom.

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I like it too, and I wish you the best with parenting. :)

Thanks Ohso!

I'll post here once just to clear a few things up and hopefully put an end to the fighting that I seem to have started.

Judy, I was never upset that the thread was moved, I think it was a good decision.

I am upset that I'm being chastised by two people that are far from guilt free. I've seen both you and Clough hijack threads and both of you veered off topic here. It bothers me that I got my hands slapped from two people that don't have the right to slap them.

I am more sensitive then usual, I've been going through a lot of crap lately and all of you only know a small portion of it, only what I've chosen to share with you. Yes it's getting to me and maybe I should have just logged off and quietly taken a break until I was better able to handle the criticism. I didn't and it's too late now.

For once it would just be nice not to be judged by people that have no right to judge because they're guilty too. That's why I was upset. I'm far from guilt free, but at least I'll admit it.

I'm taking a break so there really is no reason to fight about it anymore, the offending party is leaving for a while so the thread can get back on track and everyone can be happy.

Clough, Judy, I still consider you friends, that doesn't mean we'll always agree and sadly it means that you have the ability to hurt me more then most. The one time poster, troll, newbie, wouldn't have gotten to me. The fact that I do care about both of you made it hurt more. That's my problem, no one else's, and no worries, I'll deal with it, that's why I need a break.

I'll be back, maybe in one day, maybe in one week, month or year, don't know, but I will be back so no one needs to feel bad or apologize. This one's on me, it's the way I feel and I can't change that any more then I can change the color of my eyes.

Just don't be mad at each other because of this, okay?

I'll leave you be now to get back on topic. I'll post again when I'm ready to come back.

Love you all.

Alty

Thanks for coming back Alty.

I don't want to open up a can of worms here but if a thread is moved to the lounge, where idle chit chat is allowed does a thread really have to stay on track?

I mean there have been threads in the lounge about everyone going camping - we didn't have to talk about camping for 1500 posts.

If it was on the regular board then fair enough, stay on topic but in the lounge, who cares?
Don't like chit chat - don't go to the lounge.

Anyway - I really like Joe's post - you shouldn't have to wish for it though Joe, you already are a great father.

People seem overly focused on the letter, not the spirit, of this thread. A topic like this is GOING to spawn discussion. I have a feeling, that if people hadn't started complaining about it being off topic, it would have righted itself within a few pages. A good chunk of the off topic portion of this thread revolves around rather or not it needs to stay strictly on topic, rather or not it needed to be moved, and rather or not it needs to be closed.

If none of that had been introduced, then the side discussion would have run it's course and the thread would have gotten back on topic. As it stands, it may be a bit too late for that, and it doesn't matter anymore since it got moved to the lounge.

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people seem overly focused on the letter, not the spirit, of this thread. A topic like this is going to spawn discussion. I have a feeling, that if people hadn't started complaining about it being off topic, it would have righted itself within a few pages. A good chunk of the off topic portion of this thread revolves around rather or not it needs to stay strictly on topic, rather or not it needed to be moved, and rather or not it needs to be closed.

If none of that had been introduced, then the side discussion would have run it's course and the thread would have gotten back on topic. As it stands, it may be a bit too late for that, and it doesn't matter anymore since it got moved to the lounge.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by hheath541

people seem overly focused on the letter, not the spirit, of this thread. a topic like this is GOING to spawn discussion. i have a feeling, that if people hadn't started complaining about it being off topic, it would have righted itself within a few pages. a good chunk of the off topic portion of this thread revolves around rather or not it needs to stay strictly on topic, rather or not it needed to be moved, and rather or not it needs to be closed.

if none of that had been introduced, then the side discussion would have run it's course and the thread would have gotten back on topic. as it stands, it may be a bit too late for that, and it doesn't matter anymore since it got moved to the lounge.

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So much for by-gones being by-gones and moving on from here.

Yes, I am one of the people who complained about going off topic.

Instead of keeping this on the thread, why not just PM me and say whatever it is you would like to say?

Or, for that matter, take it up with the moderator who moved it, a person who already feels bad because she's in the middle.

I wasn't targeting any one person. In fact, I'm pretty sure I commented on the same subjects. In this instance, pretty much everyone is to blame.

I was referring to this part of your post: " i have a feeling, that if people hadn't started complaining about it being off topic,

I didn't realize you also complained.

You know what else I would do if I couldn't fail... Open up a a no-kill shelter!

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What would you do if you knew that you would not fail?

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I would bring world peace to this world.

I would hope and pray that all people would get along even with so many differences.

We can talk about differences and opinions that are different without taking it personally.

That I think people need to realize what is truly important in life.

Getting off my computer, before that starting a new account at askmehelpdesk. New user name, new start... Ratings do not mean a thing to me, I am who I am.

Now each and everyone of you think about what is most important in your life right now, and right this moment make it your priority and maybe we all will take a break and be refreshed after this.

Love you all, Bye for now, and will meet you all again soon sometime in the future.

Joe

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You know what else I would do if I couldn't fail... Open up a a no-kill shelter!

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That would be beautiful. No kill shelter, they should all be no kill shelters.

Well when are you going to open one up??

Oh dear, I wish I could quit my job and focus on that 100%. I agree they should all be no kill. Maybe when someone neglects and abuses their animals or are BYB, they should get the death penelty?? I know too harsh, an eye for an eye, is that really justice? Opps now THIS topic could get risqué! I think people should get fined for not spaying or nuetering their dogs (if they don't have breeding rights).

JH please don't go.