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Yeaitsme, I wonder how your kids will be turn out with all the hate and anger you've. How many skeltons do you have in your closets.
Also, if you do some reserch you would find that kids who was raise in a same sex married live a healthy balance life.
I agree and seriously hope that people like Yeaitsme do NOT have children to pass down their anger and prejudices to. It seems like the children who are taught these hateful and close-minded ways of life turn out to be skinheads and criminals and other horrible things and do awful things to other people. PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM CHILDREN! And people in general if you continue to spout off hateful words.Quote:
Originally Posted by liz28
I consider the children of gay parents, people who generally are more open-minded, to be lucky.
I personally have a different opinion on your opinion, since this is an open forum I thought I would state mine too.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I think as a Christian, you choose to live a certain way. You choose to live by God's laws and life guidelines. I totally agree with you that you need to Love your brother and I abhore Christians who persecute homosexuality and judge them... who are they to judge?
But I do believe that I also have a right to choose to protect what I believe is right. Granted, it's my choice, my opinion but I still have a right to it. Just like people who believe that gay marriage has a right.
If someone truly loves God, then they would want to follow Him, in every way. The bible (and most Christians believe that the Bible is God's word) strictly talks against homosexuality and defines it as a sin. And I'm not just pointing out homosexuality there are many other sins too: cheating on wives, covetting other people's things, lying, deciet, etc. I believe a sin is a sin.
So yes, you talk about Christians loving their brother, I agree with you. We should not judge, but we has Christians are also called to protect our beliefs as well. I find that so many people want me to be open minded, but no one wants to be open minded to my beliefs, especially if they are Christian.
Open mindedness goes both ways.
ALWAYS? Didn't Jacob marry both Leah AND Rachel? Isn't that a man and a woman and a woman?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondering401K
LOL Two Plus Two Equals Four, But Not AlwaysQuote:
MATHEMATICS: 2 + 2 = 4. Always has been.
Depending on the measurement scale you're using, 2+2 does NOT always = 4. I actually remember being shown how to prove that 2+2 does NOT equal 4.
Actually, I just read a really interesting philosophy book about just that idea. Did gravity REALLY exist before it was defined? And in any case, a LOT of things can affect gravity and prevent the apple from hitting the ground. A vacuum, for one thing. Magnetism, for another--I mean, what if the apple was bronze, and the magnet was opposite the gravitational force? Which way would the apple go then?Quote:
SCIENCE: Gravity is real and makes apples hit the ground. Always has been.
The flaw here, as far as I'm concerned, is that people KNEW the earth was flat, and the sun revolved around it, for THOUSANDS of years. It was a FACT.Quote:
The above is not to say that "gay marriage" is just like mathematics and science. It simply states facts.
The flawed logic of people to try to make everything seem "right" just because they want to promote their "flawed" position is typical of desperate people... or to take factual statements and think that just because they are mentioned in the same post...
People ALSO knew that a brick would fall faster than a feather, every time.
Please--facts change with knowledge. Just because it's a fact today doesn't mean it will be tomorrow.
And just because a word is defined in one way today does not mean it will be defined that way tomorrow. Look in the OED under the word "Ball", for example, or the word "nunnery". Or if that's too much work for you, think of how the definition of the word "mouse" has changed and expanded in just the last 30 years.
OED being the Oxford English Dictionary.
Well asking I believe your wrong on so many accounts I'm not sure where to begin. First off I am a new user and have never been on this site until recently. Second homosexuality harms children horribly. Convincing you of that I'm sure would be an impossible task. Of course abuse to children happens to often and isn't limited to homosexual households. That is a whole entirely different subject. The question I answered was my thought on the homosexual marriage ban that was voted on and overturned by the majoriety of voters in California and I was applauding them on their efforts to stop the abuse that's being done to the children trapped in that particular environment.
Please quote sources for your allegations that children suffer MORE in a homosexual environment than in a heterosexual environment.
Please explain how come children that lives in a same sex household being abuse and have horrible childhoods?
What study has proven this because the one I saw says the opposite yesitme. Again that is just a twisted view of yours whether then a fact but prove me wrong.
To try and explain common sense is a difficult thing to those without. And as far as the comment that my intolerance scares altenweg, your tolerance of it is the problem.
What you stated isn't common sense and not even an opinon but your trying to say it is a fact which is wrong. Maybe your lacking common sense and I can see that why everything that you write.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeaitsme
Everyone would like to know how are children being trapped into an abusive household because they live in a same sex household. Studies have been done about this topic and it proves the opposite of what your saying.
I think your dislike for same sex couples have clouded your mind. I wonder what you would do if you had a child that was gay, most likely disown them. How sad!
If you want to come off as at least being half intelligent states some facts that support what your writing.
I would think that children in a household with two parents, but with one parent despising them because they are not their "natural" child but a step child would be worse than parents of the same sex.
I would ALSO think that having 2 loving parents of the same sex would be better than mommy being married 3 times and daddy being married 2 times, but with a kid by a third woman he never married.
I would ALSO think that a child raised in love regardless of the gender the love is comign from would be better than a child raised with resentment or hatred, regardless the gender of the resentment or hatred.
Funny to hear you talk about common sense, really. Common sense says that children are hurt by hate, not by love. That seems pretty basic to me. Maybe you are the one missing the definition of common sense?
You all might want to check this thread.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/issues...ce-287640.html
I say let people be happy and if its with the same sex then so be it! Everyone dserves to be happy with someone they love and want to spend their life with and they should be able to share the same qualities as a married couple as well.
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Originally Posted by liz28
Would you post your source for studies concerning children trapped in abusive/same sex households? I cannot find anything similar and also find stastics, unless cited, are pretty meaningless.
As far as same sex marriages - to each his own. This is one of those emotional/quasi religious topics that gets blood boiling.
I think we all just have to agree to disagree. The only thing that makes me really sad is that Gay marriage isn't being banned because it's bad, but because it doesn't agree with the bible (or so people claim) and because of misguided information from haters.
It wasn't so long ago that women weren't allowed to vote, they weren't even considered people according to the law. The suffragattes fought for our right to vote, and they fought hard. Were men right, should we never have been allowed to vote? After all, we're women, the "weaker sex" we make decisions based on emotions, those were a few of their arguments against allowing women the vote. It's not all that dissimilar to Gay marriage, all the reasoning behind not allowing it is either based on hate or religious beliefs, not actual fact.
When we discriminate against groups of people we are not only hurting them but we are hurting ourselves, our children, our grandchilren. Discrimintation is discrimination, it's prejudice, hate, and I'm pretty sure that the bible isn't okay with that either!
I never said children in a same sex marriage were abused or trapped in it yeaitme said that and if you reread my post you clearly see I never stated that. So maybe you should be asking yeaitme that like I was in my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by JudyKayTee
--reason.comQuote:
After reviewing the available data in 2002, the American Academy of Pediatrics endorsed second-parent adoption rights for gay couples. A resolution passed by the American Psychological Association in 2004 declared that there was "no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children." It also noted that "the children of lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those of heterosexual parents to flourish."
A theologian named Timothy Dailey is focused on the sexual abuse of children, rather than any other indicators of parenting. After mentioning abuse by priests, Dailey goes on to argue that since pedophiles are overwhelmingly male and about one-third of their victims are boys, that these boy-oriented pedophiles are, by definition, homosexuals. He also quotes a pedophile who complains that gays don't want to have anything to do with him. I guess Dailey feels that gays should welcome this pedophlle as one of their own, but most gay men are not interested in being associated with pedophiles.
Oddly, Dailey also says that studies show that pedophiles respond sexually to women the same way as heterosexual men and great numbers of them marry and have children, suggesting (to me) they are basically heterosexual. He also emphasizes that child sexual abuse is overwhelmingly done by men. Not sure what his point was. We should out law being male? He sites no studies to support his claim that gays are predisposed to molest children. I did not find his argument persuasive.
On the other hand, I was struck by his emphasizing that molestation of both boys and girls is overwhelmingly done by men. Why is it men who molest?
I'm opening a can of worms, watch them wiggle.
I found this on the internet.
"Prop 8 - The Musical" starring Jack Black, John C. Reilly, and many more... from FOD Team, Jack Black, Craig Robinson, John C Reilly, and Rashida Jones
Warning, Christians may be offended.
LOL! I was going to post that too! Great minds... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
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Originally Posted by liz28
This is the study I'm asking about: "Everyone would like to know how are children being trapped into an abusive household because they live in a same sex household. Studies have been done about this topic and it proves the opposite of what your saying."
[QUOTE=JudyKayTee;14086Quote:
Originally Posted by JudyKayTee
Once again Yeaitme stated in her post that it is harmful for children to be raised in a homosexual eniroment. Your quote of mines was a response to her post. I wonder why you didn't quote them and asked them to back up with they said.
I saw a special on channel 13 over 2 years about kids being raise in a homosexual environment and they found that it does no damage to the child in any way and they are capable of providing the same needs to a child just like a man and women. I also read study online about the same subject and it basically said the same thing. I am pretty should you can Google things about this topic to read yourself or go pbs.org to found the special I was referring to.
My computer is down and I actually on my pds phone and so a search will take too long but I sure your capable of performing a search.
Asking, I love your post and tried to rate it but it said I had to spread the rep. Maybe you should post that on yeaitme thread too.
[QUOTE=liz28;1408746][QUOTE=JudyKayTee;14086
Once again Yeaitme stated in her post that it is harmful for children to be raised in a homosexual eniroment. Your quote of mines was a response to her post. I wonder why you didn't quote them and asked them to back up with they said.
I saw a special on channel 13 over 2 years about kids being raise in a homosexual enviroment and they found that it does no damage to the child in any way and they are capable of providing the same needs to a child just like a man and women. I also read study online about the same subject and it basically said the same thing. I am pretty should you can google things about this topic to read yourself or go pbs.org to found the special I was referring to.
My computer is down and I actually on my pds phone and so a search will take too long but I sure your capable of performing a search.[/QUOTE]
I didn't ask about Yeaitme's post because "Syn" did and it would have been redundant.
I can't find such a study but I will continue to look until your computer is back up and running.
[QUOTE=JudyKayTee;1408752]I find it odd that you couldn't find any studies on Google. I type in "studies on kids with a same sex couple" and thousands of studies came up, and this is from my phone. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...le&btnG=Search You can read anyone you want. I love my phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by liz28
[QUOTE=liz28;1408797]Quote:
Originally Posted by JudyKayTee
Which specific
Site are you reading? I find all kinds of studies but nothing concerning what you posted. Everything else but the study you referenced and, as you said, there are thousands of them.
[QUOTE=JudyKayTee;1408821]Once again I posted studies that supported what I posted. Once again I stated studies have been done that proves homosexual are capable of raising kids just like a hexterosexual couple and you can read any studies from the linked I posted, from the thousands.Quote:
Originally Posted by liz28
This will be my last response to you because I posted proof to what I said and have no idea what else you want. You asked for it and I gave it to you.
I think it is a tragic, hateful, and religious backed attempt to force beliefs on others.
I am in Canada, where gay marriage is legal. When the issue was being dealt with in the court systems, it was a big hullabaloo. Denying same-sex equal rights was eventually declared unconsitutional under Canadas Rights and Freedoms.
Then, it wasn't a big deal. It isn't an issue in politics, neighbourhoods, schools, coffee shops, anywhere. Because it is legal, and the issue was decided, that's the end of it. The entire country abides by the same laws. To change the constitution back to making it illegal, seems like going from 2008 back to the caveman days. It just won't happen.
It makes for a healthier society where people are accepted and respected, regardless of what their sexual orientation is. That is the purpose of equality for all is it not?
I do believe that eventually common sense will rule the day in California, and this issue will finally be put to rest, and gay people will have the rights they deserve as human beings, tax payers, and citizens.
The above is not to say that "gay marriage" is just like mathematics and science. It simply states facts.
The flawed logic of people to try to make everything seem "right" just because they want to promote their "flawed" position is typical of desperate people... or to take factual statements and think that just because they are mentioned in the same post...
This does not hold water. I am NOT gay, yet I support gay marriage. I am not trying to make something "seem" right
in order to fit my personal agenda. As a straight person why should I care about gay marriage? Because it is the right thing to do and it is wrong to discriminate against any particular sector of Gods children. Love is love and isn't that more important than what body parts are involved?
That's not intolerant at all? REALLY??? Read the rest of your speech... it is not only intolerant, it's bigoted, narrow-minded and dictatorial! What gimme a second, I'll get out my thesaurus and get you a few more!Quote:
Originally Posted by yeaitsme
Children that are subjected to their perverse lifestyle? How dare you! The only one around here that leaves something to be desired by their lifestyle is you! Raising children that will go on to spout your hate like a pack of drones, just program them all, tell them it came from God and send them out into the world.
The disgusting stuff you are spewing makes me sick to my stomach.
But do you know what? The justice will come the day you finally take the blinkers off and realise your not in Kansas anymore Toto. YOU are not mainstream America. YOUR IDEALS AND PROPAGANDA are not mainstream America.
How dare you make reference to a closet, you have no idea what it is to come out. But it's a lot better to come out than to be thrown out on your a$$ and that is what it is going to feel like when you realise YOU ARE NOT THE MAJORITY.
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