LOL

The way those links are trying to paint Islam (submit to god's will) not only prove that they where never muslims, but fundamentalists racist themselves and far from been peace makers.

Anyone who says that islam (submission to God's will) is a violent religion and claims that it teaches just this while giving examples of fundamentalism about it are not only refuting peace but proving there place as a fundamentalists worse then those who fall from been true muslims.

Even muslims do not judge religions by the people, but rather the people by what they practice wether they are in breech of there religion or violating human rights., something the people on these websites evidently never did but yet fundamentally attack islam for U.S. political interests against arabic countries to loot oil.

If anyone was really interested in God and heard about a book in arabic, preserved, then in all honestly they would read it in arabic or parts of it like that to learn more, but many rejected it out of anti semitic-ism just like they rejected Hebrew.

So if everything those posts where true i would not be saying this and i would of agreed with you, but the facts show that only a person *blinded by greed and *ignorance would fail to see the difference between a "fundamentalist's interest in a war" and "the gospel of unity", maybe you like been submissive to nazi government rather then God (what islam means)


*They are blinded by there greed and use excuses to cheat others of there equal rights and practice thievery and racism.

and

They are Ignorant because the lusts of there greed caused them to turn a blind eye on there crimes prevented them from understanding what they are actually saying in arabic against is that they hate to do God's will and those who do.


So the links you point to are U.S. CIA propaganda and identical to the kinds of reports nazis made about Jews once to the German Public, they BRAINWASHED the German people to give up there rights to buy more time in order to loot and murder the people they hated out of selfish misery. Buying time is what all all previous lying permeative thinking men did and still do apparently, and the U.S. is doing the same in iraq against arabs while blaiming islam as a paradox game.

The nazis even abused the word science to convince people that the jews had defected genes to support racial theories while they expanded breweries to keep everyone drunk like the suckerswho voted for the propagandist HITLER. the U.S. is trying to spread the same thing about Islam when it was the muslims who said the earth was round and this took 500 years for europe to accept.

The Nazis had the German public so scared from false media using propaganda that xenophobia was the norm, been so that they where cowards proves that your been one too now, these people where scared of there own shadows and denied been human.

So are you doing all this because you're a xenophobe racist coward or simply did not understand?
:D

OH yeah, the perfect unchangeable word of allah written by the pen in space before time.

4.89. They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allâh (to Muhammad ). But if they turn back (from Islâm), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them
َhttp://infidels.kafirnation.com/english/surah4.html

[4.88] What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
So your saying that people should not stand up if attacked by those blinded by there lusts for greed and power who think what they posses makes them better people over the lives of others?

People lacking faith in life is not a new thing, they are scared and it is a natural. it is when they are surrounded by a materialist society which they "think" that money will be the ticket to getting there needs and respect but that they are apt to committing crimes against humanity for it.

So just because some people believe money makes them a better person does not prove that it is true does it?

Mabe you where raised in a society that teaches you wrong and you finally realized it later in life like Abraham did.


Religion is not really about living up to the expectations of others, it is about growing and understanding, and I am telling you that you seem to NOT want to understand something because maybe
1. you do not want to make the effort out of arrogance and fear. or
2. your surrounded by people who have expectations of you which you yourself know they are questionable of whose benefits they claim internally, not exteriorly as to your status and respect from them.


So if your going to re consider everything honestly then your going to have to face your own issues.

Anti-Muslim? Not Me
By Robert Spencer
FrontPageMagazine.com | October 7, 2004

Twenty-five percent of Americans hold what AP calls “anti-Muslim views,” according to a story published Monday. AP added that “the poll found that people most likely to have negative attitudes were male, white, less educated, politically conservative and living in the South.” And, no doubt, wear overalls and drive pickups with gun racks and Confederate flag bumper stickers.

Working hard to dispel the prejudice of these benighted Bubbas is none other than the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), which actually conducted the survey. They’re planning activities during the Muslim month of Ramadan to counter what AP characterized as one indication of “anti-Muslim views”: “a belief that the religion teaches violence and hatred.”

How’s that again? Americans are “anti-Muslim” because they think Islam teaches violence and hatred? With Muslims shouting “Allahu akbar” (Allah is greatest) while beheading civilians in Iraq and murdering children in Beslan, Russia, perhaps it’s a bit premature to convict this 25% of Americans of bigotry. With the leader of the Pakistani radical Muslim group Jaish-e-Mohammed, Maulana Masood Azhar, saying last year that “in Islam the only meaning of jihad was killing,” maybe that twenty-five percent is on to something.



But of course, CAIR maintains that all that is a hijacking of Islam. CAIR Board Chairman Omar Ahmad insisted that those who commit violence in Islam’s name “have nothing to do with Islam. People claim they are doing it for Islam, but it’s really in spite of Islam,” Ahmad said. And they have convinced Americans of this: “About two in three,” according to AP, “said they agreed that ‘the people who use Islam to justify violence are misinterpreting its teachings.’”



Maulana Masood Azhar himself was not so easily convinced. He declared that the misinterpreters were the Muslim moderates, saying that those who elaborated the ideas of the “greater jihad” and the “lesser jihad” were “against Islam.” The “greater jihad,” as American Muslim spokesmen never tire of reminding us, is spiritual struggle. The “lesser jihad,” they say, is warfare, but only for defense. In my book Onward Muslim Soldiers I detail how radical Muslims including Abdullah Azzam, Osama bin Laden’s mentor, and Hassan Al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood (the first modern radical Muslim group), rejected the concept of the “greater jihad” as being founded upon inauthentic traditions of the Prophet Muhammad. Azhar evidently shares this view.



What’s more, from the standpoint of Islamic theology and tradition, the radicals have the better of the argument. The courageous ex-Muslim Ibn Warraq writer explains: “For every text the liberal Muslims produce, the mullahs will use dozens of counter-examples [that are] exegetically, philosophically, historically far more legitimate.” He adds that “it is time for moderate Muslims to question honestly the principles of their faith. To admit the role of the Qur’an in the propagation of violence.”



To admit the role of the Qur’an in the propagation of violence is simply to open one’s eyes and read the statements of Osama bin Laden and other radical Muslim leaders. Is to do this “anti-Muslim”? Certainly CAIR, as shown by this AP article, thinks of all such efforts as “anti-Muslim,” and the media uncritically accepts the group’s contention that to discuss the roots of terror in the doctrine of jihad is to hate Muslims. But in fact, to criticize the elements of Islam that give rise to terror is not to be anti-Muslim at all; individual Muslims themselves may not accept or even know about the doctrines that Osama and others use to justify themselves.



Moreover, to ignore these elements out of fear of being anti-Muslim plays into the hands of the jihadists by foreclosing on any honest examination of why they’re really doing what they’re doing — which foreclosure, of course, destroys the chance that any positive and truly effective steps can be taken to stop them.



It is not hating Muslims to ask them to remove the hate from their religion, and to accept the principles of human rights that are accepted everywhere else in the world. But will Omar Ahmad and CAIR admit this? I doubt it. Ahmad, of course, was reported as saying in 1998 that “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.” He has since claimed that his remarks were misrepresented, but the reporter says she remembers his statement, if not his exact words, and declines to retract her story.


Is Omar Ahmad himself “anti-Muslim”?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/articles/

Well all these so called anti semitic, anti whatever are ignorant racists bigots that barely make out anything even if they gathered in high numbers.

Unfortunately the media has and is all run by people who claim they are Jews in the U.S. but no one knows who is really Jewish anymore since many do not practice or if they are ultra orthodox they consider non jews VERMIN.

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

And your exaggeration of islam phoebes in the U.S. of A is false,
The only people backing this are the richy rich xenophoebsin washintong,

In fact AP has said repeatedly that reporters have been targeted the same way muslims and iraqies have in order to cover scare them from getting inromation about illegal US crimes against humanity, the US is ordered to kill reporters and have in the past and blamed the "al Quada" aka "the Base " in english, fundamentalists in iRaq or others elsewhere did it.
So I can not see how people believe the media these days when they could have indicted Bush for lies under oath since day one.

As of your kill kafir story, Islam has the same laws called the ten commandments, Jesus preached them as well.



Jesus said, "Keep the commandments." The man says, "Which Ones?" (Matt. 19:18 KJV). Jesus recites the 10 commandments. (Mark 10:19 KJV).

There is none good but One, that is, God." (Mark 10:18) (Matt. 19:17).
1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. Thou shalt worship no other god
2. You shall not make for yourself a graven image. You shall not bow down to them or serve them.

3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not kill. (unless in defence against tyrants who do mischief in the land, or against the Talmud "oppresors")
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.


Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

2. Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.

Hmmmm, as I understand it, Exodus 22:20 demands that the children of Israel carry out what you call the struggle (aka Jihad in arabic) against tryany, how about you, can you see it yet?

So remember again, if your not a muslim, christian or jew unless you practice your religion, and all 3 faiths share these ten commandments.

Stealing is a gift from Allah

Lying is a requirement for muslims and is a gift from allah.

All your links point to anti semitic "opinions" that refute to been good people and especially arabic and arabs. it is not only a hate crime but a sick pathological pattern of lies that demonstrates how well the U.S. brainwashed its public like the Nazis once.

If a book from God came to Germany in German we are not to refute it out of envy, and we know it is for all man kind, So it happened that the a Koran came to arabs in arabic for all mankind and is refused out of envy and hatred for arabs before even reading it just like you are.
Yet the human race can only be traced as far back as to the middle east near iran before people migrated where you now are because of the earth expanding, so we are all one race, the human race.

If you take the time to read the ten commandments and compare them to Islam's, they are identical all the way down to Jihad, only difference is that they are in arabic. Every Jewish and other religious scholar agrees that Abraham ( who existed before Moses) pre dates Judaism, and Islam is the religion of Abraham, and the Kabah was the house of worship for the one true God, the first real church ever. it is in arabia...

So if your from any of the 3 monothiest faiths and you practice, muslims have no problem with that, BUT, everything your saying about muslims having a problem and wanting to murder others for there faith is proven false according to the bible itself. for the koran makes it clear about who where the believing people of the book where from the hypocrite polythiests and liars, so they are not all one and the same at all in the koran.

Your just trying to confuse everyone by mixing the people who defend themselves against the US occupation with your racial theories to support the hate crimes committed against humanity in iraq over looted oil.
In this life you will only go so far been reckless with these crimes.

COLLECTIVE "opinions" by anti semitic racists are not facts but xenophoebic Temper Tantrums and you know it is true.

G4 is the Quran you use available on line?

Question for G4: If islam isn't violent, how do you expolain the aggression of the Ottoman empire? (just curiously wondering what your answer is)

Hell, how does he explain Mohammeds violence and cold blooded murder.

Khomeini accordingly delivered notorious rebuke to the Islam-is-a-religion-of-peace crowd: "Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]…. Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."

Have you any idea what was going on in Rome and the world during that time?

How did you expect Mohamed to liberate the believers from the hypocrite polythiests gangs who where willing to kill anyone over silly superstitions? Romans alone where addicted to paganism, we still see that going on today in hollidays and other rituels which embrace evil ideologies.

The rejection of God's words in the koran is completely racist, the jewish scribes also did it to Jesus, thy wrote many early "Talmud's" (sayings in hebrew aka hadeeths in arabic) in aramaic instead of Hebrew and then the gospals mysteriously sprung up in western latin greek instead of aramaic which is what Jesus spoke.

Bellow is the farthest arguments bigots go with the bible against islam. this is the climax and where they hit the wall, and where muslims have the evidence with arabic of there place with Abraham which they try to use as there way to deny they are in the wrong by mixing up blood lines with faith.

THEY SAY; In the Old Testament: " The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken. I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." (Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18)

This can't possibly refer to Mohammed. Mohammed is the descendant of Ishmael, and the Jews never looked at the descendants of Ishmael as "brothers." On the other hand Jesus fits the description "like unto Moses." Jesus was a Hebrew, as was Moses, while Mohamed was not. Jesus performed signs and wonders, as did Moses, and Mohamed did not. Peter, in the New Testament, left no doubt about the fact that this prophecy applies to Jesus. (See Acts 3:20-26)

In the New Testament: " But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me. "(John 16:26).

Muslims say that the Greek word which was translated "the comforter", actually means " the praised one" or "Mahmoud" in Arabic, in reference to Mohammed.

If you read what iti is saying carefully, you got a person who claims one son of Abraham is not like the others son while claiming they practice faith.

Abraham himself on the other hand, is the father of nations, founder of Faith in one God, so when you read the gospels you get a line up starting from one person down to Jesus, so these faithless racist liars pretend this is to do with a blood line meaning that some people have bad blood and the blood line of Jesus must not, basically using this to discriminate like the crusades did by killing Jewish and Christian arabs in spain once.


There are 2 facts that muslims hold against them in truth.
1. Ishmael was Abraham's first born., there is a intended typo in most bibles, which is written that Isaac was the sacrificial son, who was born later, if you read it you will see for yourself some scribes changed it, Jesus confronted them about these things and abusing the laws.

2. Anyone who mixes up there faith with blood lines obviously holds a testimony against themselves for been faithless, faith is the light which God sends down to man, God's wisdom, in order to guide them out of utter darkness., and Jesus not only told about Muhammed, but that God will choose another nation which will replace the children of Israel if they failed to keep there promise, Ishmael also had 12 triebs named after him


Fiath is nothing to do with blood, anyone can be Jewish, christian or Muslim.

So the fact that “Cain rose up against his brother Abel, and killed him” (Gen.4.8) and Jesus adds the comment “innocent Abel” (Mt. 23.25) proves that the family of faith is not like the family of the fathless, if you want to know who your family is, who the ones you can trust are just decide who you are first.

If you decide to be a polythiests, and love things enough to kill anyone who is a threat to your Gods, then you're the party of polythiests.

If you believe in god, and trust in his will to keep his commandments, then your a muslim, becuase in Matt.12 [50] For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

So all the murdering and bloodshed about islam and mohamed is false, the earliest muslims where attacked and muslims indeed spared believers, and let otehrs go as long as they left in peace.

AS FAR AS A KORAN OR BIBLE ONLINE;
All 3 versions
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

You can use various search engines as well
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/simple.html

And bibles as well (Torah and Gospal) aka old testament search engines
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/kjv/simple.html

Mohammed cannot trace his linage to ishmeal ,
And the comforter was always the holy spirit Still is .
You, are into the wall.

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Mohammed cannot trace his linage to ishmeal ,
and the comforter was always the holy spirit Still is .
You, are into the wall.

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Sure he can, he believed in God and the gospal of unity and had faith like all the prophets in the bible did after Abraham's ministry who where wiling to loose there lives standing by the truth with faith and kept his covenant, those who do are his family, no need for blood lines.

If blood lines mattered then why did Cane kill his brother Able?
“Cain rose up against his brother Abel, and killed him” (Gen.4.8) and Jesus adds the comment “innocent Abel” (Mt. 23.25).

And the holy spirit was allways and is Gabriel, the archangel. known as Jibreel in arabic.

Anyone who believes in the trinity has abandoned true christianity for a polythiests pagan religion and committed treason against God's first commandment (I am your lord God and there is no other) in the bible (torah and gospel) and the Koran,
This is the first commandment and it is the gravest sin punishable by death directly from God and anyone who believes in God knows it very well too that man's natural place in his world can not be if they deny there creator.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord...

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.*

So You do not agree with Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed about one God, the God of all man kind,
The trinity and holy ghost is biblical corruption from the enemies of Jesus themselves to decieve others from the truth, real Christians believe he was either God's son or simply a good man like all other prophets, although jesus been his son (which muslims do not agree with the son) or not Jesus still was sent with a mission from God to the children of israel, the koran calls him the messiah, christ.

you hit that wall with religion now, so your problem is not islam it is that you have racist issues here.

Well aside from the idiotic nonsense in your earlier post about lineage.
We will address this idiocy.
So Christians and Jews have corrupted Islam and need to return to islam?

You would be well served to put aside your isistance that mohammed was a prophet Of God.
He is an obvious fraud Im mean real obvious,
Islam isn't rocket science its not even a good knock off.
You desrve better.

Claims of racism and bigotry are not a good enough
Answer for the genocide and subjegation from the Quran.

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Well aside from the idiotic nonsense in your earlier post about lineage. we will go ahead and address this idiocy.
So Christians and Jews have corrupted Islam and need to return to islam?

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LOL
Well lets see what a idiot is, hmm,

Mohammed did what Abraham would do, so I still can not understand where he did not fit in this picture of prophethood, only a this believer would say he was a murder, because he only killed who ever cursed God's name , who attacked believers and wanted to take back the kabah for pagan rites.

So I can not agree with you that he killed Jews or Christians, there are many scripts written about it but no evidence has ever been proven about what you say, its all propaganda and only racists use it to justify there hate crimes against semitic peoples.


Your ideology of blood lines came from ethnic inbred morons, everyone knows idiots or retardation comes from breeding with siblings, so your silly ideas that there is a genetic blood line in prophethood spells you out as a idiot and bigot racist who thinks God was a man and there father, yet its clear that the one true God can choose anyone who he created to be a prophet and send the holy spirit Gabriel to guide them.

So eat your heart out because Islam, Christianity and Judaism is here to stay until the end of time, and only the hypocrites like you are the ones who will perish.

LOL

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Claims of racism and bigotry are not a good enough
answer for the genocide and subjegation from the Quran.

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You think Hitler was your prophet now?


Well genocides are usually committed by racist bigots, like your hero Hitler for one, who else was a bigger looser then him and how dumb could the German people be to of believers a dark haired guy that they where actually gifter above others and falloed him to hell.

Geeze, you should never use the word idiot because it gives you away.

I was hoping you would be able to do more than shuck and jive , Calling people a bigot and ignoring the questions is going to work.
So Christians and Jews have corrupted Islam and need to return to islam?

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I was hoping you would be able to do more than shuck and jive , Calling people a bigot and ignoring the questions is going to work.
So Christians and Jews have corrupted Islam and need to return to islam?

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They did? I never heard that before... LOL

The only history recorded between the Jews, Christians and the Muslims is that when the Jews where in power they committed genocides against other tribes from tribal favortism, and when the chrstians came along, they killed each other in different generations. even WW2 was a example of it with the Pope aproving it all.http://www.trosch.org/jpi/popekoran.jpg
But the Pope also missunderstood what the Koran said about the Jews too.

When Islam was completed, which is the book of all the prophets in the bible and a one universal brother hood, peace treaties where written, and it was the Jews and the Christians that had the problems with each other.

So who ever was not Jewish or Christian where enemies of all 3 faiths according to there Foundations in Abraham.

So islam never propagated hatred towards the Jews. only kafirs, and that s because it is the first commandment in the bible, and the Jews know it well.

The Koran specifically points to certain incidents where certain Jewish scribes wrote the babylonian Talmuds with there own hands and claimed they murdered Jesus, the Mesiah, The Christ, and that his mother was a harlet in order to say there books are hollier then God's, these where not real Jews who did this but hypocrites who made deals with Julias Ceaser and the roman Empire.

Mohammed demanded them to share there books with the world if they where from God, and they claimed there God was not the God of Mohammed, so what God is it that created these scribes that could not create Mohammed, satan?

Muslim means doing God's will, his commandments.
You can be a Jewish or Christian muslim, but it is like been a part time worshiper.

But islam teaches to speak out the truth, if they do not hear it it is because they are not ready or do not want to.

Most of the time, anti Islamist have always hated believers for they do not want to accept One True God created all mankind, instead they claim that God did not create other people and they hate others for there ethnicity or origin, and yes, this is bigotry, especially what Hitler did, so your denial of it only spells out your place in it.