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  • Nov 13, 2005, 04:22 AM
    G4-450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Oh and lets not forget the obligatory.

    Which is the Koran alone... so your posts are irrelevant.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    That is always important to add to your increasingly meaningless posts now that your hategroup is being fully exposed right in front of god and everybody, .

    Let us examine who is the hate group here and why your hijacking this topic with racist biased views.

    With a little test that any mentally disabled or intoxicated person can pass hmmmm; Is not the Topic
    Can we trust the Koran?
    BUT, All your posts have nothing to do with the Koran at all, instead, your pointing at people as a fundamentalists bigot and blaiming them for it.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Dont worry, xit will begetting significantly worse
    x.

    LOL, Hey Mr.Hater and Hypocrite, was that a hate threat now?

    You sure have expressed allot of hate for someone who plays the blame game claiming it is others, and you only see the dark side of things which is what fundamentalism is about.

    Conclusion;
    You
    -Claim that the nazis are nice people, and
    -Admitted that you lied in order to play a trick by mixing genealogy before to make a racist point seem significant that Mohammed could not of been a line of prophets teaching Faith in one God, as if God did not create all man kind on earth.
    -Lied that you had any faith in God since your too much of a coward, and again confused faith with death blood cults.

    And from your very last sentance;
    -Your the only one here prone to commit a hate crime and needs police and mental health attention since your illusions may leed you to attack a innocent person on the street from your insane patterns of "xenophobea", which is a build up of paranoid sympotms from the lack of communication with the rest of the world you missed out on.

    LOL LOL,
    the only thing you demonstrated here is that your a coward who dug himself a grave from the envy and lies you have against others in order to hide from your own shadows,
    And you are posting all over the internet in hopes to find gualable people who like yourself believes the sky is falling in order to keep you company in your hiding place, this CURSE alone is your doom because you refuse to change your ways and lied.


    Not everyone agrees with your sickness, it is a curse...
    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/popekiss.jpg
    Pope John Paul II; The Holy Qur'an is the word of God.

    Koran [2.10] There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lied.

    [9.68] Allah has promised the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women and the unbelievers the fire of hell to abide therein; it is enough for them; and Allah has cursed them and they shall have lasting punishment.

    [17.99] Do they not consider that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, is able to create their like, and He has appointed for them a doom about which there is no doubt? But the unjust do not consent to aught but denying.

    [59.16] Like the Shaitan when he says to man: Disbelieve, but when he disbelieves, he says: I am surely clear of you; surely I fear Allah, the Lord of the worlds.
    [59.17] Therefore the end of both of them is that they are both in the fire to abide therein, and that is the reward of the unjust.

    [4.157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Jesus (Isa) son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Jessus/ Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
    [4.158] Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
    [4.159] And there is not one of the followers of the Book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he JESUS (Isa) shall be a witness against them.

    “I do nothing of myself.” (John 8:28)
    “My father is greater than I.” (John 14:28)
    “The Lord our God is one Lord.” (Mark 12:29)
    *
    Matt.13
    [38] The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
    [39] The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
    [40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
    [41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
    [42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
    [43] Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    Mark.12
    [28] And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
    [29] And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
    [30] And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
    [31] And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
    [32] And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he

    Koran;
    [2.159] Surely those who conceal the clear proofs and the guidance that We revealed after We made it clear in the Book for men, these it is whom Allah shall curse, and those who curse shall curse them (too).
    [2.160] Except those who repent and amend and make manifest (the truth), these it is to whom I turn (mercifully); and I am the Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.
    [2.161] Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all;
    [2.162] Abiding in it; their chastisement shall not be lightened nor shall they be given respite.
    [2.163] And your God is one God! there is no god but He; He is the Beneficent, the Merciful.

    We are all been tested in this life so beware.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 06:55 AM
    KAOSKTRL
    Anyone else care to comment?
  • Nov 13, 2005, 07:28 AM
    G4-450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Anyone else care to comment?

    LOL

    Why not just change your ways man, do you really want to live your life paranoid about people and things you heard?

    Adolph Hitler was a propagandist who scared a whole nation with lies that there was a threat, non of it was true, he was the criminal himself, real leaders do NOT run around letting there enemies get the best of them and there nations fall like he did committing crimes behind everyone's backs because he could not be a real leader.

    So Respect goes both ways.

    All your posts are "hear say" by people who do NOT believe in God,
    Jihad is from and in the Bible, as well as many other so called sayings (hadeeths ) outside the bible called (Talmud's) which allow Jews to sleep with 3 year olds, steel from non jews and state that it would take 600 non Jews to claim the life of a Jew, and all the pagan rites of human sacrifices where added to Jesus outside the Gospels as well as sayings claiming he was a trinity, crucified and other ridicules things that have no place with God but to benefit people.

    So are you going to condemn the Bible too now?

    This topic is not about anything else but the concerns people had about the Koran.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 07:39 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by G4-450
    LOL


    This topic is not about anything else but the concerns people had about the Koran.

    So you are defending Islam then?
  • Nov 13, 2005, 11:27 AM
    G4-450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    So you are defending Islam then?

    What does Islam mean?
    And why are you also going of the Topic?
  • Nov 13, 2005, 12:13 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    Hitler lied to vilify the jews ,
    Muslims are vilified when people speak
    The truth about islamic scripture.

    Islam is self indicting.

    Muslims fought side by side with nazis and
    Much of scripture is virtually indistinguishable from Mien Kampf.

    Islamic scripture the Quran calls for the subjegation and eradication of all none muslims.

    SUBJEGATE

    9.29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allāh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allāh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islām) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    http://www.road-to-heaven.com/quran/english/9.htm

    ERRADICATE

    2.193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allāh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allāh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zālimūn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

    http://www.road-to-heaven.com/quran/english/2.htm
  • Nov 13, 2005, 12:34 PM
    G4-450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Hitler lied to vilify the jews ,

    Maybe Hitler was a orthodox Jew. they all say that about non orthodox jews.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Muslims are vilified when people speak the truth about islamic scripture.

    but you lied so... end of that story there.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    islam is self indicting.

    Islam means (doing the will of God) submission. Satan swore that anyone who did not do God's will are his to indict, are you with the party of satan?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Muslims fought side by side with nazis and much of scripture is virtually indistinguishable from Mien Kampf.

    you sure they where muslims? I heard the nazis USED the Japonese, arabs and converted Jews from Spain to fight side by side for them.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Islamic scripture the Quran calls for the subjegation and eradication of all none muslims.

    SUBJEGATE 9.29.
    ERRADICATE 2.193.

    LOL
    Are you sure it is only in the Koran or Islam that teaches to keep these comandments?

    SUBJEGATE and ERRADICATE are titles by polytheists for polytheists, This explains why your scared for your life and hate the one true God who ordered death to polytheists by nature and law,

    So while you fight for what you worship other then God (money, oil, anything else you depend on for sustanance), the believers are told to fight with God against you because you are in error by attacking them for this.

    Read again where it is all from.

    Allah is the same God in the Bible;
    "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)"

    Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

    Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.

    Mark 16:16: He that believeth not, shall be damned.

    Malachi 2:1-4: And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name, ... behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.


    According to Islam, everyone who believes in God can keep there faith, it is only if they become muslim that would make it a evil deed to pretend they do not understand after they made a testamony.

    So you can be Jewish or Christian and you do not have to be a muslim to believe in God and the last day, this is because prophets went to certain peoples.

    But if you blaspheme against God and take other things for love like you should for God who gives you sustanance and you know it even in secret, God promises a terrible doom as you can read above in both the bible and Koran.

    So I did not make anything up, or attacked anyone here did I?

    You decide if this fairy tale is real or a lie, and you choose if you should do God's will or fallow your desires.

    Peace
  • Nov 13, 2005, 02:11 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    Hitler lied to vilify the jews ,
    Muslims are vilified when people speak
    The truth about islamic scripture.

    Islam is self indicting.

    Muslims fought side by side with nazis and
    http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/hanjar.html
    Much of scripture is virtually indistinguishable from Mien Kampf.

    "Existence impels the Jew to lie, just as it compels the inhabitants of Northern countries to wear warm clothing" -Mein Kampf, p. 305

    "...the Jews are a nation of liars...the Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people." -Ishaq Hadith 240


    Islamic scripture the Quran calls for the subjegation and eradication of all none muslims.

    SUBJEGATE

    9.29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allāh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allāh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islām) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    http://www.road-to-heaven.com/quran/english/9.htm

    ERRADICATE

    2.193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allāh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allāh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zālimūn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

    http://www.road-to-heaven.com/quran/english/2.htm
    Shirk is worse than Killing

    Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''
  • Nov 13, 2005, 02:39 PM
    G4-450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Hitler lied to vilify the jews ,

    SUBJEGATE

    9.29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allāh (KAFIR), (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allāh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islām) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    Shirk is worse than Killing

    FLAIMING FLAIMING LOL

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''

    Sore LOSER, you sure isn't a happy camper.. LOL

    I believe that every time you post, you admit that your terrorized because know your going to get what God promised those who broke his first 2 commandments.

    And I know why the un Godly are the terrorized in the bible and Koran now, you on the other hand still does not get it .LOL

    Quote:

    Gen.35 [5] And they journeyed: and the terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them, and they did not pursue after the sons of Jacob.

    Lev.26 [16] I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror , consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

    Deut.34 [12] And in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel.

    Job.6 [4] For the arrows of the Almighty are within me, the poison whereof drinketh up my spirit:the terrors of God do set themselves in array against me.

    -----------------------
    JIHAD is from the same God of the BIBLE;


    1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me.

    2. You shall not make for yourself a graven image. You shall not bow down to them or serve them.

    "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)"

    Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed. this means (KAFIR) in arabic.

    Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord (KAFIR), he shall surely be put to death.

    Mark 16:16: He that believeth not, shall be damned


    You seem to Enjoy the fire... while I put my trust in God.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 03:42 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    Shirk is worse than Killing

    Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''
  • Nov 13, 2005, 03:45 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    This is the Ayah of the Sword

    Mujahid, `Amr bin Shu`ayb, Muhammad bin Ishaq, Qatadah, As-Suddi and `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam said that the four months mentioned in this Ayah are the four-month grace period mentioned in the earlier Ayah,

    [فَسِيحُواْ فِى الاٌّرْضِ أَرْبَعَةَ أَشْهُرٍ]

    (So travel freely for four months throughout the land.) Allah said next,

    [فَإِذَا انسَلَخَ الأَشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ]

    (So when the Sacred Months have passed... ), meaning, `Upon the end of the four months during which We prohibited you from fighting the idolators, and which is the grace period We gave them, then fight and kill the idolators wherever you may find them.' Allah's statement next,

    [فَاقْتُلُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ]

    (then fight the Mushrikin wherever you find them), means, on the earth in general, except for the Sacred Area, for Allah said,

    [وَلاَ تُقَـتِلُوهُمْ عِندَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ حَتَّى يُقَـتِلُوكُمْ فِيهِ فَإِن قَـتَلُوكُمْ فَاقْتُلُوهُمْ]

    (And fight not with them at Al-Masjid Al-Haram, unless they fight you there. But if they attack you, then fight them. )[2:191] Allah said here,

    [وَخُذُوهُمْ]

    (and capture them), executing some and keeping some as prisoners,

    [وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُواْ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ]

    (and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in every ambush), do not wait until you find them. Rather, seek and besiege them in their areas and forts, gather intelligence about them in the various roads and fairways so that what is made wide looks ever smaller to them. This way, they will have no choice, but to die or embrace Islam,

    [فَإِن تَابُواْ وَأَقَامُواْ الصَّلَوةَ وَءاتَوُاْ الزَّكَوةَ فَخَلُّواْ سَبِيلَهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ]

    (But if they repent and perform the Salah, and give the Zakah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.) Abu Bakr As-Siddiq used this and other honorable Ayat as proof for fighting those who refrained from paying the Zakah. These Ayat allowed fighting people unless, and until, they embrace Islam and implement its rulings and obligations. Allah mentioned the most important aspects of Islam here, including what is less important. Surely, the highest elements of Islam after the Two Testimonials, are the prayer, which is the right of Allah, the Exalted and Ever High, then the Zakah, which benefits the poor and needy. These are the most honorable acts that creatures perform, and this is why Allah often mentions the prayer and Zakah together. In the Two Sahihs, it is recorded that Ibn `Umar said that the Messenger of Allah said,

    «أُمِرْتُ أَنْ أُقَاتِلَ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَشْهَدُوا أَنْ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللهُ وَأَنَّ مُحَمَّدًا رَسُولُ اللهِ وَيُقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُوا الزَّكَاة»

    (I have been commanded to fight the people until they testify that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, establish the prayer and pay the Zakah.) This honorable Ayah (9:5) was called the Ayah of the Sword, about which Ad-Dahhak bin Muzahim said, "It abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet and any idolator, every treaty, and every term.'' Al-`Awfi said that Ibn `Abbas commented: "No idolator had any more treaty or promise of safety ever since Surah Bara'ah was revealed. The four months, in addition to, all peace treaties conducted before Bara'ah was revealed and announced had ended by the tenth of the month of Rabi` Al-Akhir.''

    [وَإِنْ أَحَدٌ مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ اسْتَجَارَكَ فَأَجِرْهُ حَتَّى يَسْمَعَ كَلاَمَ اللَّهِ ثُمَّ أَبْلِغْهُ مَأْمَنَهُ ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لاَّ يَعْلَمُونَ ]

    (6. And if anyone of the Mushrikin seeks your protection then grant him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Qur'an) and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.)
  • Nov 13, 2005, 03:48 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    (I have been commanded to fight the people until they testify that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, establish the prayer and pay the Zakah.)
    Shirk is worse than Killing

    Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''


    Kill people who reject the pedophile prophet.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 04:07 PM
    G4-450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Shirk is worse than Killing

    Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of disbelieving man and woman who are called (KAFIRS in ARABIC), GOD (in the bible also) indicated that these men are committing belief in False GODs and broke the first commandment, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path the truth seekers, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing.

    [?????]=hadgidagufgiyaif; is not one arabic word

    LOL
    THANK YOU FOR ADMITTING THAT JIHAD IS ORIGINALLY FROM THE BIBLE, AND THAT YOUR TERRORIZED BECAUSE You're the KAFIR (polytheist). LOL


    I am having so much fun here at work, we got 6 more hours to laugh here about how your flaming because you have nothing original to say but paste Jihad-Watch propaganda Zionists use to get gullible people like you to believe :p

    Oh, maybe you got Jihad mixed up with Hajeebs, Oh Look, are they muslims ?http://brawl-hall.com/gallery/data/m...ve_Fun_Too.jpg
  • Nov 13, 2005, 04:27 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    I have know idea what you think is so funny,Killing people who don't believe the pediophile was a prohet isn't that funny, Not to me anyway,
    http://www.google.com/search?lr=&ie=...92%D9%84%D9%90
    I also don't understand what your problem is with arabic?
    http://www.tafsir.com/Default.asp
    That fact is islam requires muslims to kill people who are not muslims .
    Not in self defense or only when attacked , but anytime and because and until only muslims remain oin earth .
    Oh that's reall funny,
    Genocide.
    LOL
  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:01 PM
    G4-450
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    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    I have know idea what you think is so funny,Killing people who dont beleive the pediophile was a prohet isnt that funny, Not to me anyway,

    I also dont understand what your problem is with arabic?

    That fact is islam requires muslims to kill people who are not muslims .
    not in self defense or only when attacked , but anytime and because and until only muslims remain oin earth .
    Oh thats reall funny,
    Genocide.
    LOL

    LOL, no what's funny is that you sound like the nazis when they made up lies about the Jews, and they where terrified from it too. Bad Karma man, try to stop lying.

    And by the way, nazis committed genocide too claiming Jihad in the Bible, As many before them who claimed to be christians and revenging others for because they believed in a Mortal God that died rather then the immortal living God.

    This are the people who back a GENOCIDE
    http://www.bilderberg.org/

    The Isralian flag and the American flag (mirrored) with the yellow border around it are on the left side. This stands for the relationship between US and Israel, the mirrored flag with yellow border where shown sticked on the jackets of the 101St Airborne who fighted in the war on Iraq.

    On the right site you see the American flag and the United Nations flag which speaks for it self.

    On the top of all that there is the Eagle symbol which was used by the Great Roman Empire. This symbolises the New World Order which is being established as we speak.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    To begin with, the Bilderberg group was founded by Prins Bernhard from the Netherlands who married Queen Juliana of The Netherlands in 1939. The goal of the Bilderbergers was/is to keep up the relation between Europe and America. Bernhard him self has been a member of the NSDAP founded in 1920 (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei / German National Socialist Workers Party) and the SS (Schutzstaffel) founded in 1929 by Heinrich Himmler while Hitler was in power.


    If your not one of them, you better move to mecca,
  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:04 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    Calling me a nazi, saying Im a liar ,calling me a bigot, seems to be the extend of your argument,
    Unfortunately that is not good enough an answer for the genocide in the Quran .
    (I have been commanded to fight the people until they testify that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, establish the prayer and pay the Zakah.)
    Shirk is worse than Killing

    Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''


    Kill people who reject the pedophile prophet.
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  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:21 PM
    G4-450
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    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Calling me a nazi, saying Im a liar ,calling me a bigot, seems to be the extend of your argument,

    You are, you repeatedly did it and even said nazis are nice people LOL and you lied openly to win a argument and still do and that make syou a hypocrite in denial.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Unfortunatly that is not good enough an answer for the genocide in the Quran .

    GENOCIDE means: The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.

    No where is Islam or in the Bible anything like this, both books teach redemption, only Trinitarian Crusade and nazis or alike committed Genocides when they attacked Spain and Jerusalem and killed everyone dark whether Muslim, Christian or Jewish. this is what Genocide means.

    Islam protects believing Christians and Believing Jews. although they argue from pride with each other.

    You lied again.
    [5.68] Say: O followers of the Book(bible)! You follow no good till you keep up the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospals) and that which is revealed to you from your Lord; and surely that which has been revealed to you from your Lord shall make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; grieve not therefore for the unbelieving people

    [5.69] Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah (God) and the last day and does good, they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.

    So you're a very evil liar to attack any of these faiths in the true God.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    the enemies of God are those who break his Commandments.

    your indicted yourself as a disbeliever and hater in God and Humanity so many times here that it is safe to say I have met a satanist online for the first time, you make Hitler look like santa claus.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Kill people who reject the pedophile prophet.

    where did you read this in the Koran? LIAR LIAR YOUR PANTS ARE ON FIRE LOL , your really funny.

    If he was a pedophile, I wonder what you think about the Koran been the only book in the world that limits the amount of wives to 4, people of the bible had hundreds of wives and slept with 3 year olds.

    BY THE WAY, ARE YOU A MEMBER OF THIS SITE OR NOT?
    You seem to be on these thinking patterns.
    http://www.bilderberg.org/2005.htm#banner

    The Isralian flag and the American flag (mirrored) with the yellow border around it are on the left side. This stands for the relationship between US and Israel, the mirrored flag with yellow border where shown sticked on the jackets of the 101St Airborne who fighted in the war on Iraq.

    On the right site you see the American flag and the United Nations flag which speaks for it self.

    On the top of all that there is the Eagle symbol which was used by the Great Roman Empire. This symbolises the New World Order which is being established as we speak.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    To begin with, the Bilderberg group was founded by Prins Bernhard from the Netherlands who married Queen Juliana of The Netherlands in 1939. The goal of the Bilderbergers was/is to keep up the relation between Europe and America. Bernhard him self has been a member of the NSDAP founded in 1920 (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei / German National Socialist Workers Party) and the SS (Schutzstaffel) founded in 1929 by Heinrich Himmler while Hitler was in power.


    If your not one of them, you better move to mecca,
  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:26 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    Shirk is worse than Killing

    Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''


    Kill people who reject the pedophile prophet.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:27 PM
    G4-450
    I like the arabic you paste, what does it say?
  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:29 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    Its from the Quran.
    Im sure you can read it,
  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:33 PM
    G4-450
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    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Its from the Quran.
    Im sure you can read it,

    Nope I cant, but one thing for sure, you paste it in many places and pretend it means several things, LIAR

    LOL

    Keep on lying, soon your own friends won't trust you and you will run from your own shadows because they will chew you for every word you made up and spit you out in the streets where you will beg to eat like many before you who even the poor have doubt about, And when a muslim, jew or christian walks by they will give you a nickel and tell you they do not even want your thanks, because it is for God just to remind you it is there duty and yours to give ZAKAT.

    LOL

    Would you like to re post your propaganda again :) FLAMER

    The Isralian flag and the American flag (mirrored) with the yellow border around it are on the left side. This stands for the relationship between US and Israel, the mirrored flag with yellow border where shown sticked on the jackets of the 101St Airborne who fighted in the war on Iraq.

    On the right site you see the American flag and the United Nations flag which speaks for it self.

    On the top of all that there is the Eagle symbol which was used by the Great Roman Empire. This symbolises the New World Order which is being established as we speak.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    To begin with, the Bilderberg group was founded by Prins Bernhard from the Netherlands who married Queen Juliana of The Netherlands in 1939. The goal of the Bilderbergers was/is to keep up the relation between Europe and America. Bernhard him self has been a member of the NSDAP founded in 1920 (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei / German National Socialist Workers Party) and the SS (Schutzstaffel) founded in 1929 by Heinrich Himmler while Hitler was in power.


    If your not one of them, you better move to mecca,
  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:37 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    Do you have some kind of problem with the source?
    http://www.tafsir.com/Default.asp

    what is Tafsir Ibn Kathir
  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:39 PM
    G4-450
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    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Do you have some kind of problem with the source?
    http://www.tafsir.com/Default.asp

    what is Tafsir Ibn Kathir

    Nope, the links yo gave have nothing to do with your posts above. LOL

    And they also have nothing to do with the actual Koran, which is what this topic is :) Are you going to stoop even lower now Satan?

    How are your friends below?
    The Isralian flag and the American flag (mirrored) with the yellow border around it are on the left side. This stands for the relationship between US and Israel, the mirrored flag with yellow border where shown sticked on the jackets of the 101St Airborne who fighted in the war on Iraq.

    On the right site you see the American flag and the United Nations flag which speaks for it self.

    On the top of all that there is the Eagle symbol which was used by the Great Roman Empire. This symbolises the New World Order which is being established as we speak.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    To begin with, the Bilderberg group was founded by Prins Bernhard from the Netherlands who married Queen Juliana of The Netherlands in 1939. The goal of the Bilderbergers was/is to keep up the relation between Europe and America. Bernhard him self has been a member of the NSDAP founded in 1920 (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei / German National Socialist Workers Party) and the SS (Schutzstaffel) founded in 1929 by Heinrich Himmler while Hitler was in power.


    If your not one of them, you better move to mecca,
  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:49 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    You know you are an idiot don't you?
  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:51 PM
    G4-450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    You know you are an idiot dont you?

    LOL
    I have been honest about this, now we know you're the problem and not muslims, you keep lying, so strange how far you go as a coward LOL


    You owe it to yourself to at least admit who the idiot is now and change. :D http://brawl-hall.com/gallery/data/m...hurch_Sign.jpg
  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:54 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    2.191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harām (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

    2.192. But if they cease, then Allāh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    2.193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allāh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allāh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zālimūn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

    http://infidels.kafirnation.com/english/surah2.html

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=5008

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=5035

    No nothing to do with the Quean nothing to do with islam ,
    You are simply unqualified to comment on Islam.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:57 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    In broad strokes
    Tafsir
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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    A tafsir ( (Arabic: تفسير )tafsīr, also transliterated tafseer, Arabic "explanation") is Qur'anic exegesis or commentary. Someone who writes tafsir is a mufassir ( (Arabic: مفسر ) mufassir, plural (Arabic: مفسرين ) mufassirīn).
    Contents
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    * 1 Sources of Tafsir
    * 2 Genres of Tafsir
    * 3 Prohibited Tafsir
    * 4 Major Mufassireen
    * 5 Modernist Mufassireen
    * 6 Tafsir in other languages
    * 7 External links

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    Sources of Tafsir

    The five sources for commentary of the Qur'an are:

    1. The Qur'an. This is the highest form of tafsir, because the Qu'ran explains itself.
    2. The Hadith. Muslims believe that the Muhammad was sent to explain and clarify the Qur'an to people. The books of the Hadith contain much tafsir of the Qur'an, under titles such as "Meaning of Qur'anic verses". This is the second highest form of tafsir, because the Islamic prophet is explaining it.
    3. The reports of the Sahaba. The Sahaba, or companions of Muhammad, knew Muhammad would have better insight into the Qur'an. If there is a consensus of the companions on a certain verse, then that consensus is followed. If there is no consensus, scholars interpret the verse using set principles.
    4. The reports of those who learned from the companions. These people grew up in an environment with people who had known the Prophet, so their insight is the next in line of the sources of tafsir.
    5. Reason. The use of reason (deductive logic and evaluation of arguments) is the final method of understanding the Qur'an.

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    Genres of Tafsir

    * Asbāb al-nuzūl: defining the "occasions of revelation" of the suras.
    * Naskh: dealing with the abrogation of one Qur'anic verse by another.

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    Prohibited Tafsir

    It is prohibited to perform Qur'anic tafsir using solely one's own opinion. This is based on the authenticated hadith of Muhammad which states it is prohibited.
    [edit]

    Major Mufassireen

    Major Tafsirs of the Qur'an include:

    * Ibn Kathir: "Tafsir ibn Kathir" - A classic tafsir, considered a summary of the earlier Tafseer by Ibn Jarir (at-Tabari). It is especially popular because it uses 'hadith' to explain each verse and chapter of the Qur'an.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 05:59 PM
    G4-450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    2.191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harām (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

    2.192. But if they cease, then Allāh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    2.193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allāh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allāh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zālimūn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

    http://infidels.kafirnation.com/english/surah2.html

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=5008

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=5035

    No nothing to do with the Quean nothing to do with islam ,
    You are simply unqualified to comment on Islam.

    Muslims stick to God's Comandments from the Bible, and Genocide has never been carried out by islam ever. no proof of it once so ever, fighting evil unil they surenders is all it states.

    You lied, your practice hypocrisy, polythiesm, maybe you recent religion because your gay but you sure are the enemy o God in the Bible and Koran.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 06:00 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    Ibn Kathir
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    Ibn Kathir (Arabic : بن كثير ) was an Islamic scholar born in Busra, Syria in 1301 CE. He was taught by the Islamic scholar Ibn Taymiyya in Damascus, Syria and Ibn al-Qayyim. Ibn Kathir wrote a famous commentary of the Qur'an named Tafsir Ibn Kathir which linked certain Hadith, or sayings of Muhammad, and sayings of the Sahaba (companions of Muhammad) to verses of the Qur'an, in explanation. Tafsir Ibn Kathir is famous all over the Islamic world and among Muslims in the Western world, and is one of the most widely used explanations of the Qu'ran today.

    Ibn Kathir was renowned for his great memory regarding the sayings of Muhammad and the entire Qur'an. Ibn Kathir is known as a qadi, a master scholar of Hadith, and a mufassir or Qur'an commentator. Some regard Ibn Kathir as a precursor to the contemporary Salafi or Wahhabi school of law, but Ibn Kathir saw himself as a Shafi scholar. This is indicated by two of his books, one of which was Tabaqaat ah-Shafai'ah, or The Categories of the Followers of Imam Shafi.

    Other books written by Ibn Kathir include Signs Before the Day of Judgement and The Birthday of the Prophet which supports arguments as to the legality of celebrating Muhammad's birthday (seen as a reprehensible innovation or bid'a by some Muslims), and Biographies of the Prophets.

    Ibn Kathir became blind just before his death. When Ibn Kathir died he was buried beside his teacher Ibn Taymiyya in the Sufi Cemetery of Damascus, Syria in 1372 CE.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 06:05 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    Your statements do not carry the weight you wish them to nor the historical accuracy Your rank and file person who has graduated from high school may not be able to document the unending imperial islamic jihad since the massacre of the Banu Qurayza But I can inclkuding the 80 million hindus
    I like the sound of Muslim kush.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 06:06 PM
    G4-450
    Here is a lesson in what I understand of arabic.
    Islam (do God's will)
    Zakat (donation to the poor),
    Kafir (disbeliever)
    Muslims (people who do God's will, keep the comandments) and
    Shirk (a PAGAN)

    Replace the words you have and you might get a climpse of truth to where you stand in all this.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 06:11 PM
    G4-450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Your statments do not carry the weight you wish them to nor the historical accuracy Your rank and file person who has graduated from highschool may not be able to document the unending imperial islamic jihad since the massacre of the Banu Qurayza But I can inclkuding the 80 million hindus
    I like the sound of Muslim kush.

    And your just like the people you hate that you hope to find, so you can blame them for the rotting of your soul from lying.


    LOL, and by the way, let me know if you see any flying carpets too. you seem to have a vivid imagination about your fears now, its catching up.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 06:13 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    .191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harām (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

    2.192. But if they cease, then Allāh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    2.193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allāh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allāh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zālimūn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

    http://infidels.kafirnation.com/english/surah2.html

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=5008

    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=5035

    No nothing to do with the Quean nothing to do with islam ,
    You are simply unqualified to comment on Islam.
    Shirk is worse than Killing

    Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:

    [وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

    (And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''
  • Nov 13, 2005, 06:16 PM
    G4-450
    Quote:
    You trust him?
  • Nov 13, 2005, 06:17 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    You read aribic

    قُلْ فَمَن يَمْلِكُ مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئاً إِنْ أَرَادَ أَن يُهْلِكَ الْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَأُمَّهُ وَمَن فِى الاٌّرْضِ جَمِيعا

    وَللَّهِ مُلْكُ السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَآء
  • Nov 13, 2005, 06:18 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by G4-450
    You trust him?

    Nope he's an
  • Nov 13, 2005, 06:18 PM
    G4-450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    You read aribic

    ???? ????? ???????? ???? ??????? ??????? ???? ??????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ????? ???????? ????????? ????? ??? ????????? ???????

    ???????? ?????? ???????????? ??????????? ????? ??????????? ???????? ??? ??????

    Nope I don't, sorry

    Do you?

    I can read greek and a little hebrew in the bible though, and Jihad is there too.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 06:20 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    Are you an expert on islamic scripture?
  • Nov 13, 2005, 06:22 PM
    G4-450
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KAOSKTRL
    Are you an expert on islamic scripture?

    You sure isn't a expert if no one is

    especially when you refute GOD's commandments in both the koran and Bible because your guilty of sin according to both books, and you know it.
  • Nov 13, 2005, 06:29 PM
    KAOSKTRL
    The Polytheism and Disbelief of the Christians

    Allah states that the Christians are disbelievers because of their claim that `Isa, son of Maryam, one of Allah's servants and creatures, is Allah. Allah is holier than what they attribute to Him. Allah then reminds them of His perfect ability over everything and that everything is under His complete control and power,

    [قُلْ فَمَن يَمْلِكُ مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئاً إِنْ أَرَادَ أَن يُهْلِكَ الْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَأُمَّهُ وَمَن فِى الاٌّرْضِ جَمِيعاً]

    (Say: "Who then has the least power against Allah, if He were to destroy the Messiah, son of Maryam, his mother, and all those who are on the earth together") Therefore, if Allah wills to do that, who would be able to stop Him or prevent Him from doing it Allah then said,

    [وَللَّهِ مُلْكُ السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَآءُ]

    (And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them. He creates what He wills.) All things in existence are Allah's property and creation and He is able to do everything. He is never asked about what He does with His power, domain, justice and greatness so this refutes the Christian creed, may Allah's continued curses be upon them until the Day of Resurrection.

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