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Originally Posted by Morganite

"We" is God talking to other Gods?

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Really

For a moment there you had us all fooled that you believed in ONE God and one God created all Humanity, but I guess the greed makes people like you come up with all kinds of arguments to divide humanity into the groups in your head like other racist like you.

Well we all learn something new every day don't we MORGANSTINE, the polytheists.


WE IN THE KORAN IS GOD and his Mighty ANGELS, SAME ANGELS MOSES INVOKED AND ALL THE PROPHETS, ESPECIALLY THE ANGEL KNOWN AS THEE HOLY SPIRIT "Gabriel" (JIBREEL in ARABIC)
[2.97] Say: Whoever is the enemy of Jibreel-- for surely he revealed it to your heart by Allah's command, verifying that which is before it and guidance and good news for the believers.
[2.98] Whoever is the enemy of Allah and His angels and His apostles and Jibreel and Meekaeel, so surely Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers.

This explains why you dabble on with other phlosophies which where based on single grouped out times and generations of people in short lived cultures.


BUT... its clear in the koran that if you believe in one God your on the right path, and for the hypocrites who have taken other Gods are promised the same curses sinners heard from the mouths of David and Jesus in aramaic tongue, maybe this is why they where scared to publish the gospels in the original languages they spoke, because they where probably Godless SUPERSTITIOUS SINNERS.

KORAN
[2.163] And your God is one God! there is no god but He; He is the Beneficent, the Merciful.

[4.155] Therefore, for their breaking their covenant and their disbelief in the communications of Allah and their killing the prophets wrongfully and their saying: Our hearts are covered; nay! Allah set a seal upon them owing to their unbelief, so they shall not believe except a few.
[4.156] And for their unbelief and for their having uttered against Marium a grievous calumny.
[4.157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Jesus (Isa) son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like JESUS/Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
[4.158] Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
[4.159] And there is not one of the followers of the Book (bible) but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he JESUS (Isa) shall be a witness against them.

[2.159] Surely those who conceal the clear proofs and the guidance that We revealed after We made it clear in the Book for men, these it is whom Allah shall curse, and those who curse shall curse them (too).
[2.161] Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all

[3.61] But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.


All these Chapters pointed to the sins people commimted as blasphemy, users, polythiesm and clearly also stated there place with God up after many chances to repent and why this life on earth is the place and only one to do it.

So, get over your race hate games MORGAN, its nothing to do with races aganst races, its all one GOD.

[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
[2.112] Yes! Whoever submits himself entirely to Allah and he is the doer of good (to others) he has his reward from his Lord, and there is no fear for him nor shall he grieve.

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/popekiss.jpg

See how there is only one God?

All you have to do is learn a semitic language and drop Latin which brings the name God into Gender properties like false Gods and Goddesses when God (ELOHIM or ALLAH) does not stand for (male or female) genders or and means the creator and sustainer of pre-ordeal energies which he is not anything onto his creation here on earth or out there in space.

Bush is not the leader of my country. Guess again. So far you are batting 000!

"So far i posted information in my topics and with out even asking why anyone came to there concussions you attacked them for it, this could not be more biased and un helpful to learn anything from another."

Your concussions have affected your thinking.

Offering a different view of something is not 'attacking' but 'discussion.'


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Its more accurate then the Bible because its Supposed to Be God's word, through his angels and a prophet/messenger, not blended up with peoples words and interpretations.

Match the parts of the bible and you got a perfect match of the same God of the Koran, who even in the bible casted Terror into the hearts of evil doers and clearly stated that Good people do not have fear of death for they know there meeting with there lord is a good day not a terrifying one for going to hell.

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Gen.35 [5] And they journeyed: and the terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them, and they did not pursue after the sons of Jacob.

Lev.26 [16] I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror , consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

Deut.34 [12] And in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel.

Job.6 [4] For the arrows of the Almighty are within me, the poison whereof drinketh up my spirit: the terrors of God do set themselves in array against me.

Jesus
"I say to you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.* As for my enemies who do not want me to reign over them, bring them here and kill them in my presence" (Luke 19:26-27).

"Do not think that I have come to send peace on Earth.* I did not come to send peace, but a sword.* I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:34-35).

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Unless these repent

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Qu'ran

[5.39] But whoever repents after his iniquity and reforms (himself), then surely Allah will turn to him (mercifully); surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[25.71] And whoever repents and does good, he surely turns to Allah a (goodly) turning.

Luke.15
[7] Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.
[10] Just so, I tell you, there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who repents."

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My point is if you actually compare the bible with the Koran you will realize that the bible DID NOT SURVIVE all these centuries, 60+ thousand books from the bible have not been added, hands down.

But the God of the Koran is the same God of the Bible, only fighting was ordered when Mohammed was under attack several times and after this only against those who had broken the worlds first PEACE treaties they signed.

As for these changes your all talking about, they had been added into Islamic law after the Jews continued to break there treaties by been a threat to peace and practicing proxy wars as we have witenssed since the last century with Zionist and before with the Crusades.

These new islamic laws have been added after the evidence of the Koran, and treaties which where signed but breeched many times to demonstrate the rights for a islamic pro administration for all faiths to preserve peace.

Today you will see that Jews are still allowed to practice in places like Syria and Jordan but there are limits to this because "in the past" they paid there own tax rates for there own crime bills for there own lifestyles like christians with alcoholic problems which are the cause 90% (650,000 per year in the U.S.) of the Domestic Violence, Rapes and problems with woman Beating, divorces and other things which are the reason for higher taxes then Jews and Muslims and evidently a threat to Peace in the middle east which Islam kept with all faiths the longest, especially in Spain (800 years) until a ethnic cleansing of arab Jews, muslims or Christians took place with the crusades.

Today, we are witnesses against Israel for continuing to break there treaties since Zionists returned to Israel by crossing the borders into Christian and Muslim lands and committing crimes against humanity. its no wonder Islamic countries passed new laws with this evidence as a example that nothing has changed with them since the ethnic cleansing of the children of Israel who where liquidated into one tribe, Judah, the lost and cursed tribe who thinks getting this land will bring them closer to peace after breaking there agreements with there neighbors in 1945...

For Boston Jews, actions speak louder than words
By Shmuel Rosner

Although the evenings have already turned a little cool, and it rained in the middle of the week, the famous turning of the leaves in New England is still not on view in the parks of Boston. But that isn't important. Eshato Kabeda and Noah Mentesnot would not have noticed it, anyhow.

They were rushed to the offices of the Jewish community in downtownBoston almost as soon as they got off the plane  and went right to work. They only arrived here on Tuesday, and by Thursday the job had to be finished.

Wearing a scruffy, beige windbreaker, Kabeda, who looks a little disheveled himself, makes his way into the conference room, and is followed by Mentesnot, who is carrying a blue backpack.

Nancy Kaufman is up and down and all around, flitting around them like quicksilver. They are the visitors from Haifa; and she is the host from the Boston community, the executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council. She barely sits down before beginning to talk, rapid-fire.

"We've done a crummy job," she says. In her mind, the immigration of the Jews from Ethiopia, including the Falashmura, who are black, should have been completed long ago. She attributes the fact that Jews still remain there to an all-round feeble performance by everyone - everyone, including American Jewry, which hasn't made enough of an effort, including Israel, which dragged its feet. Kaufman has no problem saying that Israel has not acted properly. Nor does she have a problem with the fact that she, from her office in Boston, is promoting a policy whose results will be seen far, far away, in Israel.

Clearly, the issue is important to her. And the Boston Jewish community not only talks, but also does. A new project sponsored by Boston is to begin soon in its adopted city, Haifa, with the "full integration of the Ethiopian community in Israeli society," its ultimate goal, no less.

Some 750 Black Ethiopian families live in the city and another 150 will arrive, God willing, when the rest of the Falashmura immigrate to Israel. Kabeda and Mentesnot are the Haifa community representatives who have come to finalize the details of the plan, having already spent months working on the draft. The concluding meeting is scheduled for Thursday evening. Once there is a plan, the funding will be allocated and it will go into the execution stage. And the way Kaufman is speaking, it is hard to believe that it won't happen.

The outcome of the Falashmura story is known to all. There are only differences of opinion as to why it happened.

A few months ago, the Israeli government decided to bring to Israel the 18,000 Ethiopians still occupying the transit camps, which would afterward be closed. The Chief Rabbinate has already ruled that the would-be immigrants are Jews, despite having converted to Christianity.

The United Jewish Communities of North America (UJC) has already announced a major fund-raising campaign. The umbrella organization has pledged $100 million.

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"No blacks allowed in Israel" I heard you say.

Huh?




MORGANITE



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YUP, they where rejected several times and that is a fact, so why the hell would you post the same old fake jew story which was written AFTER these terrible racist discriminations?

Throughout most black societies today, there are Jews who are not accepted by the worldwide community of Rabbinic Jews. They are known as Black Jews, and the movement they represent is known as Black Judaism. Originating in the post-Civil War southern states, the early leaders of this movement were motivated by oppression and racism to migrate north. They came into contact with Rabbinic Jews and the Judaism they represented, but Black Jews and Black Judaism were rejected.


See Jesus attacked these same evil Rabinic ideas and stated that All man belongs to God and not that God belongs to Man, he further stated that if they do such crimes God will choose another nation which will keep his word from the children of Abraham, that nation is Islam, so whether you like it or not I or you have no say over this.

Judaism turned into a cult which supports paganism, many Jews admit that they only see rabbis once a year if at all.


But in Islam, they allow anyone to be muslim or to practice there own faith, providing that there community pays the taxes for there own systems if for example alcohol is legal and there crime ratio is so high as the u.S. with 600,000 rapes a year and 80% of them are alcohol related.

You lied again and you proved your a Zionist wanna be Jew, you will never be nearly a real Jew if your a zionist, this is because zionism's movements are rooted on racist motivations of religious fanaticsm, so it is like another name for nazi, KKK, on and on.

Many Ethiopians in their 20s and 30s, who were born in Israel or immigrated at a young age, admit that although they passed the military “melting pot” they still feel different and unwanted in Israelis’ hangouts and prefer to hang out in their own places. For many, going to black clubs is not in defiance or rebellion, as is often portrayed in the Israeli media, but because they are forbidden from going to “Israeli” clubs and not allowed to fit in. However, most of them admit that Ethiopian teenagers today have given up the attempt to belong and go to places for “Ethiopians only.”


“Where can they go?” asks Adamka. They see their older brothers still going to black nightclubs, so what can they do? I tried to fit in and go to Israelis’ places, but did not succeed.” He says Ethiopian youngsters today start going to black music clubs and dress as rappers from a young age, among other things as a result of MTV clubs.

“The young Ethiopians feel lost in Israeli society. They have served in the IDF and many go to university, yet they cannot integrate. Many stay to work within the community. They cannot manage to get out,” says Shabtai.

“The youngsters see their elder brothers go to the army, try to escape from their neighborhood, but cannot find work. Why should I make the effort, they think, and remain cloistered in their own society. They no longer want to fit in.”


So there faith has been rejected !

this was what Israelis said= Comments

Why should they be allowed? They belong in Ethiopia, not in Israel. They are only blacks who practice Judaism; they are NOT Jews. I think Israel has the right idea.
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As Benjamin Disraeli, dead prime minister of 19th Century Great Britain said: "Race is everything", and he was Jewish.
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What does the Anti-Defamation League and The Southern Poverty Law Center have to say about Jewish racism against blacks? Funny, I didn't hear anything about this on ANY of the TV networks. What about all this brotherhood stuff? How come it only applies to honky?
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One of my best friends is Jewish (white/semitic variety) and lived for a year in Israel where she worked as a daycare worker/school tutor. She worked with a number of Ethiopian Jewish kids and said that, not only the kids, but she herself, would frequently get dirty looks when they went out in the street. She also said that (to a lesser degree)some Ashkenazic Jews looked down on Sephardic Jews. Very much a liberal, she was upset to see this because Jewish identity should be based on maternal lineage or conversion, not biology. "Racism", it appears, is everywhere.

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This is yet another example of why it is a huge mistake to import large numbers of African settlers into our country. I don't care if it's the US, Israel, Britain, or France: African immigrants are an infection.
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Paul Gottfried, a Jew, writes about the notorious double-standard of Jewish groups such as the ADL - he disapproves of them:

"I believe that American Zionists should be reconsidering their inconsistent positions, instead of ganging up on Judt. Abe Foxman and the Anti-Defamation League, for example, make themselves ridiculous and vulnerable when they denounce those who oppose the granting of drivers licenses in California to illegal immigrants as far-right anti-Semites—while they simultaneously defend Israel as a “Jewish state.”

Tony Judt’s politics are not mine. I believe that Israel should remain predominantly Jewish and that the U.S. and Europe should remain predominantly Euro-American—and I support whatever is necessary to achieve these objectives"

http://www.vdare.com/gottfried/zionists.htm
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to Say= "Jewish identity should be based on maternal lineage or conversion, not biology." means what?
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As a Jew, I have no problem with the above comments except for those which associate Zionists with multiculturists. All of the Zionists whom I know, including myself, are rightists on every issue. Please don't confuse Jewish liberals with Zionists. Liberals expend enormous amounts of energy on lobbying the US government to pressure Israel to give up land and make other concessions in the name of peace. Their solution is always surrender, whether here or in Israel. For much more, please see JTF.org.

Posted by Mike Berman at 4:51 PM on January 16
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I am horrified at the racism black jews have to put up with in Israel. The only way to stop the oppression is to encourage Israel to open it's borders to Africa. Once you have oh lets say 100,000 black Africans per year immigrate to Israel the jews can be cured of their racism

Of course there maybe some bumps in the road to correcting Israeli racism. That's why racial inter-marriage between jews and African-Israelis should be encouraged . Think of all those nice Jewish girls having in their wombs a black baby. In a few generations when one thinks of a Jew one will think of someone with more or less african racial features , it brings a tear to my eye.

Ending Israeli racism through racial inter-marriage is a dream that we can accomplish and seeing that the jews were nice enough to launch similar programs in America and Europe I think it's the least we can do.

Posted by mark at 9:39 PM on January 16
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Apparently Israel has none of the "civil rights" laws that burden the US and still has freedom of association. The story makes repeated reference to Ethiopians being barred from clubs but does not suggest that this is illegal.

Posted by seelow heights at 12:27 AM on January 17
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It is very interesting how some posters felt that those Ethiopians should just stay in Ethiopia. Too bad whites didn't follow such advice when they savaged the cultures of Africa, India, China, you name it century after century.

Has anyone asked how those of Palestine felt about Jews moving in and setting up a country for themselves?

All this talk about crude hip-hop culture. What about the Punk Rock movement where spitting on the singer is a form of praise. The Death Metal movement and mosh-pits, the drugs, sex and rock and roll movement where groups like KISS brag about the thousands of women they bedded. Please. Think of your own short comings before you talk about others.

Posted by Ursula at 6:35 PM on January 20
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Racism plays a big role in Zionist/Judaism today, and as I mentioned many times before from my work in Broadcast for the most powerful Jewish people in America, the problem is real and the public is simply going along so what can good people do to stop wars and crazy foregn policies like Bush's for oil?

How can anyone believe anything you say? You make a statement that there are NO BLACKS IN ISRAEL I send incontrovertible proof that there are. You withdraw from your former 'are NO' position and struggle quantify, but you give your oinion without any facts.

There is a racist at work here, but it is not me. Put your own house in order.





MORGANITE


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How can anyone believe anything you say? You make a statement that there are NO BLACKS IN ISRAEL I send incontrovertible proof that there are. You withdraw from your former 'are NO' position and struggle quantify, but you give your oinion without any facts.

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Show me where is said blacks where not in Israel, your such a bigot and racist that you can not tell the difference between faith and diferent people becuase of your God Complex, read it again red neck, I said they where rejected by people for there faith and equal rights just like the Jews where rejected by Nazis in Germany verbally until they moved innocent people into death camps, if racist like this have it there way then peace would not make sense for them to claim they are religious, did you read carefully what Israelis said about collored Jews?

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There is a racist at work here, ---> MORGANITE
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Yeah there is a racist at work here, you already posted enough proof that your Pro zionists by your cheap hopes to claim that arabs and or muslims are dangerous, just Like HITLER with the jews, how much more racist can you get then this. and you got all this from believing liars like George Bush..

Every thing you stated about Islam has never been proven, as much as your claims to defend Judaism, in-fact, nothing you share here calls for Unity and is simply bias so why not prove your at-least not so attached to your posts here with yourself righteous ambitions?

It was coming to you Moraganite, some one had to slap you all over the place for taking advantage and posting in forums like everyone is a dummy, so why not just post the truth and come together in peace about all this, not enough blood shed for you yet?

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Your mind is so mixed up that you can not think straight. You forget what you have written, then when it is brought to your attention, you can't remember it, and say I am lying.

I will leave you to stew in your own fetid juices.



MORGANITE



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Ah ah, now you're a mind reader too, hmmmm, bet you can not tell your head from your elbow.

Since when did you become the right guy all the sudden, you're the only one who lies around here Mr.Pro Zionist with your bitter hatred for arabs of any faith (islam, christianity or Judaism), your attacking arabs is racist period.

Why not get a real job an work like everyone else, the one you have now online is only going to get you into more trouble then you can handle, as we see.

Interesting Logic you zionists have below:


Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).


Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed").

Sraelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press, June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).

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ah ah, now your a mind reader too, hmmmm, bet you can not tell your head from your elbow.

since when did you become the right guy all the sudden, your the only one who lies around here Mr.Pro Zionist with your bitter hatred for arabs of any faith (islam, christianity or Judaism), your attacking arabs is racist period.

why not get a real job an work like everyone else, the one you have now online is only gonna get you into more trouble then you can handle, as we see.

Interesting Logic you zionists have below:


Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).


Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed").

sraelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press, June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).

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It sounds as if the Zionists, the Idiot Islamists, and the Nazis have a lot in common.

I have never met an Arab I didn't like. You are not an Arab. You are an apostate Muhammedan and your fate is told in the Koran.


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I would like you to post a surah from the koran where it says that the fate of "G4 450" is told mister Morganstine.

So far your fate is all you that you have left and keep gambling in this life according to all scriptures, of-course you can always change before it is over.

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I would like you to post a surah from the koran where it says that the fate of "G4 450" is told mister Morganstine.

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This sura seals your fate because you betray Allah and the Koran, and because Islam is a prison with no way out. Once a person enters that prison, he cannot leave it alive.

"Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two parties about the apostates? Allah has cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they have earned. Do you want to guide him whom Allah has made to go astray? And he whom Allah has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of guidance). They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Aouliya (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Aouliya (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them" (Surat An-Nisa 4:88,89).

This verse means that if a person says the Islamic Shahada: "I testify that there is no God but Allah, I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah," he cannot change his mind. If he does change his mind, he will be executed or beheaded as has happened many times in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and other Islamic countries.

Islam is a religion of intellectual censorship. In Islam the democratic right to free thought and individual decision concerning religious matters is totally denied. We have more than one example of that intellectual censorship.

The first is Salman Rushdie. Salman Rushdie was born to a Muslim family in Bombay, India, but has spent much of his life in London, England. He wrote a book entitled The Satanic Verses. Muslims thought this book was an insult to the Prophet Muhammad and Islam so Ayatollah Ruholla Khomeini issued an order to assassinate Rushdie and promised $5 million to the one whom would kill him. Khomeini, Iran's spiritual leader at that time, said in a statement read for him on the radio in 1989: "Anyone who died attempting to kill Rushdie, he promised, would go straight to paradise."

The second is Dr. Farag Foda, the great author who was assassinated in Cairo, Egypt in 1993 because he wrote many books exposing the true face of Islam and Islamic society. He was accused of being an apostate Muslim and was shot and killed in front of his son.

The third is Professor Nasr Hamid Abu Zeid, who was accused of being an apostate Muslim because of his books about the Koran. The court in Egypt ruled that he must divorce his wife, Ibtihal Younes. He fled from Egypt and is now living with his wife in Holland.

The fourth is the well-known Egyptian writer Naguib Mahfouz, who became the first Egyptian to win the Nobel Prize in Literature. Muslims stabbed him in front of his house in an attempt to kill him. The man is over 80 years old. They wanted to kill him because they thought that he insulted Muhammad in his novel, "The Children of Gabalawi."

It is of great importance for any American or any secular Muslim to know what kind of society he or she will live in if fundamentalist Muslims rule. The Taliban, Afghanistan's former ruling Islamic movement, is an example of this extremist militant faith, which is based on a literal interpretation of the Koran, wjch shows in their way of life.

In Afghanistan under the Taliban, any woman who showed more than her eyes was savagely flogged by so-called men. In Saudi Arabia, a woman is banned from driving a car or from walking down the street without covering all of her body except for her eyes. Where is the freedom?

Christians who went to Afghanistan to help the poor and the sick with food and medicine were arrested and jailed because they had Bibles and Christian cassette tapes.

In Saudi Arabia Christians are banned from holding worship services let alone building a church.

In the meantime, Muslims are taking advantage of the American freedom and building hundreds of mosques on American soil. Where's the balance?

In Sudan more than one million Christians were killed by the Islamic government in Khartoum.

In Algeria, thousands of Muslims were slaughtered by militant Muslims with no regard for life. This is barbarism.

Today we are hearing on radio and television many Muslim clerics saying that Islam means peace. But the word Islam means "submission" and a Muslim is one who is in submission to Allah.

Their goal as stated in the Koran is to bring the entire world into submission to Allah and the Koran and have a global Islamic empire.

"Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two parties about the apostates?

Allah has cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they have earned. Do you want to guide him whom Allah has made to go astray?

And he whom Allah has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of guidance). They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another).

So take not Aouliya (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad).

But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Aouliya (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them" (Surat An-Nisa 4:88,89).

What insane barbarism!

You G4-450, who do not even have an Arabic name, but is named for an infidel computer, have abandoned the principles if Islam and teach an aberration of it, so you are an apostate, and I issue a Fatwah upon your head that can never be rescinded.



MULLAH MORGANITE (ABDULLAH)

Wow, the above makes the whole catholic priest/pedophile thing seem like a small blip on the radar - no wonder the Vatican had no issue with covering it up. Then of course there are the crusades...

Seems like the safest course is to eschew organized religion and just be a good person and treat others well.

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Wow, the above makes the whole catholic priest/pedophile thing seem like a small blip on the radar - no wonder the Vatican had no issue with covering it up. Then of course there are the crusades ...

Seems like the safest course is to eschew organized religion and just be a good person and treat others well.

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Well , with out taking any side here, honestly, Morganite does sound like the very people he hates, the muslims. in fact he insists to convert everyone to a muslim now.

Just read the whole post he made above himself with out any idea about the koran but his motivated religious fanatical intentions, I have to say your right, be good and be happy.

Notice how he hates muslims and islam for been the ones to keep the abrahamic faith as it was BEFORE organized religions started.

But that will take more time to understand. yet I agree that you have to have your free choices to love God and not the way Morganite preaches lies about others.

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Originally Posted by Morganite

This sura seals your fate because you betray Allah and the Koran, and because Islam is a prison with no way out. Once a person enters that prison, he cannot leave it alive.

"Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two parties about the apostates? Allah has cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they have earned. Do you want to guide him whom Allah has made to go astray? And he whom Allah has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of guidance). They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Aouliya (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Aouliya (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them" (Surat An-Nisa 4:88,89).

This verse means that if a person says the Islamic Shahada: "I testify that there is no God but Allah, I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah," he cannot change his mind. If he does change his mind, he will be executed or beheaded as has happened many times in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and other Islamic countries.

Islam is a religion of intellectual censorship. In Islam the democratic right to free thought and individual decision concerning religious matters is totally denied. We have more than one example of that intellectual censorship.

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Hmm, I think if the ALLAH of the koran is the ALLAH of the bible then Jihad sounds like this in aramaic,

Jihad started with the Bible!

"All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Chronicles 15:13)"

"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"

It's odd how one of the 10 Commandments says "Thou shalt not kill (or murder). (Exodus 20:13)", and yet, the bible ordered the killing of innocent children and non-virgin girls by the mass!



"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"
The so-called "Jihad" Noble Verses came for specific times and places. They don't apply for all times and everybody! I can't slay you, a non-Muslim, just because you're not a Muslim. The pagan Arabs were very hostile people and only knew the sword as an answer. Many wars were imposed upon the Muslims, and thus, it is only normal and natural to find Noble Verses that deal with these specific hostile situations. But the Ultimate and Overall Message of the Noble Quran is PEACE, as clearly proven in the Noble Verses above.

SUICIDE BOMBINGS IN THE BIBLE
"Samson said to the servant who held his hand, "Put me where I can feel the pillars that support the temple, so that I may lean against them." Now the temple was crowded with men and women; all the rulers of the Philistines were there, and on the roof were about three thousand men and women watching Samson perform. Then Samson prayed to the LORD, "O Sovereign LORD , remember me. O God, please strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes." Then Samson reached toward the two central pillars on which the temple stood. Bracing himself against them, his right hand on the one and his left hand on the other, Samson said, "Let me die with the Philistines!" Then he pushed with all his might, and down came the temple on the rulers and all the people in it. Thus he killed many more when he died than while he lived. (From the NIV Bible, Judges 16:26-30)"

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Originally Posted by Morganite

The first is Salman Rushdie. Salman Rushdie was born to a Muslim family in Bombay, India, but has spent much of his life in London, England. He wrote a book entitled The Satanic Verses. Muslims thought this book was an insult to the Prophet Muhammad and Islam so Ayatollah Ruholla Khomeini issued an order to assassinate Rushdie and promised $5 million to the one whom would kill him. Khomeini, blah blah blah"[/I]

The second is Dr. Farag Foda, the great author who was assassinated in Cairo, Egypt in 1993 because he wrote many books exposing the true face of Islam and Islamic society. He was accused of being an apostate Muslim and was shot and killed in front of his son.

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You forgot to mention that Rashid admitted that he found these documents and used them to publish a book, he just took advanatage of it and also tried to cover it up, Rashid lives in NY and fear of his life, if he did the same things to the Vaticin I am sure the same would be carrid out on his life.

You're a liar morganite, you know very well this man took advantage of using of zionist in th us to get a book published in america, where they lobby hatred against islam.

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Originally Posted by Morganite

It is of great importance for any American or any secular Muslim to know what kind of society he or she will live in if fundamentalist Muslims rule. The Taliban, Afghanistan's former ruling Islamic movement, is an example of this extremist militant faith, which is based on a literal interpretation of the Koran, wjch shows in their way of life.

In Afghanistan under the Taliban, any woman who showed more than her eyes was savagely flogged by so-called men. In Saudi Arabia, a woman is banned from driving a car or from walking down the street without covering all of her body except for her eyes. Where is the freedom?

Christians who went to Afghanistan to help the poor and the sick with food and medicine were arrested and jailed because they had Bibles and Christian cassette tapes.

In Saudi Arabia Christians are banned from holding worship services let alone building a church.

In the meantime, Muslims are taking advantage of the American freedom and building hundreds of mosques on American soil. Where's the balance?

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please post proof, and first the answer to my previous post, you hypocrite...

AND, again--_> your been a racist Zionists here, you mean to say there are no christian (nazi) or jewish(zionist) fundamentalists who wish death and even have the world hostage today? Ni try hypocrite, I can't make up my mind what you are but you sure isn't a honest person,

MULLAH MORGANITE (ABDULLAH)[/QUOTE]

MULLAH MORGANITE (ABDULLAH) ha ha ha ha ha ha, when all else fails you pretending to be a muslim, I never hear any muslim say the Chinese race is the best race on earth, basically this is what you said a few times before, claiming I could not of been chinese and sit around to listen and agree with you like they do, so kind are they, maybe you should ask them how they feel about you, liar.
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Originally Posted by G4-450

MULLAH MORGANITE (ABDULLAH) ha ha ha ha ha ha, when all else fails you pretending to be a muslim, i never hear any muslim say the Chinese race is the best race on earth, basically this is what you said a few times before, claiming i could not of been chinese and sit around to listen and agree with you like they do, so kind are they, maybe you should ask them how they feel about you, liar.
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I do not claim to be Muslim.

Mullah is Arabic for a male religious teacher. A Mullah is a man recognized as having a religious education, similar in most ways to a Rabbi in Judaism.

In India, the Middle East, and North Afica Mullah denotes a Muslim teacher or reader of the Koran, and traditionally an expert on Islamic law. But I live in none of those places

The basic meaning is a title of respect for one learned in the sacred law.


So, wrong again. :eek:

Ha ha ha

India has tons of Muslims silly boy, saying someone is wrong again, get a clue and stop crying about your short comings.

Are you going to ever make up your mind about living in peace with others or do you still support war criminals like Bush who defends torture and murder after lying that it ever happened for years. :eek:

Hard to believe India has anything left after the rape it went through with Islam,
Best estimate at this point is 80 million dead .
Islam has an unbeleiveable amount of blood on its hand from Yatribe to today unbroken mayhem Islam is an obvious fruad.
Islam is what happens when a street gang kills the cops (the meccans who decided to put and end to his pirate act)and grows without restraint.
Islam has no right to any legitimate complaint about anything any more then the crips or the bloods.

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Hard to believe India has anything left after the rape it went thru with Islam,
best estimate at this point is 80 million dead .
Islam has an unbeleiveable amount of blood on its hand from Yatribe to today unbroken mayhem Islam is an obvious fruad.
Islam is what happens when a street gang kills the cops (the meccans who decided to put and end to his pirate act)and grows without restraint.
Islam has no right to any legitamate complaint about anything any more then the crips or the bloods.

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It is a internationally known fact that India was raped by the English colonialism, just like others who where religiously as well as mentally in the U.S. and around the world.

Islam freed the indians while the English murdered them in america, remember?

You post only reflects a poor judge of character, especially racists.

Fo changing you id and posting a 2nd me I would like to see where you will make a positive change, do you have any evidence other then what I posted? So far ISlam is the religion Jesus spoke about and invited people to, anyone who finds peace boring and rejects it is poisoned by evil and are not to be trusted.

SIMPLY PUT YOU ARE AN IDIOT OR A LIAR
best estimate so far if 80 million hindus died at the hand of Islamic imperial jihad

Hinduism's losses

There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Islam. A first glance at important testimonies by Muslim chroniclers suggests that, over 13 centuries and a territory as vast as the Subcontinent, Muslim Holy Warriors easily killed more Hindus than the 6 million of the Holocaust. Ferishtha lists several occasions when the Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand Hindus, which they set as a minimum goal whenever they felt like "punishing" the Hindus; and they were only a third-rank provincial dynasty. The biggest slaughters took place during the raids of Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE); during the actual conquest of North India by Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants (1192 ff.); and under the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526). The Moghuls (1526-1857), even Babar and Aurangzeb, were fairly restrained tyrants by comparison. Prof. K.S. Lal once estimated that the Indian population declined by 50 million under the Sultanate, but that would be hard to substantiate; research into the magnitude of the damage Islam did to India is yet to start in right earnest.

Note that attempts are made to deny this history. In Indian schoolbooks and the media, an idyllic picture of Hindu-Muslim harmony in the pre-British period is propagated in outright contradiction with the testimony of the primary sources. Like Holocaust denial, this propaganda can be called negationism. The really daring negationists don't just deny the crimes against Hindus, they invert the picture and blame the Hindus themselves. Thus, it is routinely alleged that Hindus persecuted and destroyed Buddhism; in reality, Buddhist monasteries and universities flourished under Hindu rule, but their thousands of monks were killed by Ghori and his lieutenants.

Apart from actual killing, millions of Hindus disappeared by way of enslavement. After every conquest by a Muslim invader, slave markets in Bagdad and Samarkand were flooded with Hindus. Slaves were likely to die of hardship, e.g. the mountain range Hindu Koh, "Indian mountain", was renamed Hindu Kush, "Hindu-killer", when one cold night in the reign of Timur Lenk (1398-99), a hundred thousand Hindu slaves died there while on transport to Central Asia. Though Timur conquered Delhi from another Muslim ruler, he recorded in his journal that he made sure his pillaging soldiers spared the Muslim quarter, while in the Hindu areas, they took "twenty slaves each". Hindu slaves were converted to Islam, and when their descendants gained their freedom, they swelled the numbers of the Muslim community. It is a cruel twist of history that the Muslims who forced Partition on India were partly the progeny of Hindus enslaved by Islam.

http://sarvadharma.org/Museum/Articl...icgenocide.htm


How is this a continuation of

"The Prophet (Muhammad) said: 'Do not stone the adulteress who is pregnant until she has had her child.' After the birth she was put into a ditch up to her chest and the Prophet commanded them to stone her. Khalid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and he cursed her. The gentle Prophet prayed over her and she was buried."
(Hadith No. Muslim 682)

this?

John 8:7. So when they continued asking him, he lifted himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Let me guess, You don't follow hadith , and I take the Quran out of context and Im a bigot , right?

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Fo changing you id and posting a 2nd me i would like to see where you will make a positive change

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When your cat walks across your key board think about editing it so you at least give the appearance of lucidity .

But that was history, we live in the modern world

Hindu, Enemy Of Islam'
These are extracts from government-sponsored textbooks approved by the National Curriculum Wing of the Federal Ministry of Education.

"Before the Arab conquest people were fed up with the teachings of Buddhists & Hindus." "Before Islam people lived in untold misery."

"European nations have been working during the past three centuries...to subjugate countries of the Muslim world."

Class IV

* The Muslims of Pakistan provided all facilities to the Hindus and the Sikhs who left for India. But the Hindus and the Sikhs looted the Muslims in India with both hands and they attacked their caravans, buses and railway trains. Therefore, about one million Muslims were martyred on their way to Pakistan.
* The Hindus treated the ancient population of the Indus Valley very badly. They set fire to their houses and butchered them.
* The religion of Hindus did not teach them good things, Hindus did not respect women.

Class V

* After the war of 1965, India with the help of Hindus living in East Pakistan, incited the people of East Pakistan against West Pakistanis. In December 1971, the Indians themselves also attacked East Pakistan. As a result... East Pakistan separated from us. We should all receive military training so that we can foil the designs of the enemy in the future.
* The Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.

Class VI

* In the middle of the city of Deebal (Sindh), there was a Hindu temple. There was a flag hoisted on top of it. The Hindus believed that as long as the flag kept flying, nobody could harm them. Mohd bin Qasim found out about this... The Muslims began to catapult stones at the temple and at the flag, ultimately making it fall to the ground. The whole city became tumultuous and the Hindus lost heart. Some Muslims clambered up the walls of the temple and forced open the door. Qasim's army entered the city and after conquering it, announced peace. The Muslims treated the vanquished so well many Hindus converted to Islam.
* Before the Arab conquest the people were fed up with the teachings of Buddhists and Hindus.
* The foundation of the Hindu setup was based on injustice and cruelty.
* The Hindus who had always been opportunists cooperated with the British.
* The Hindus used to please the goddess Kali by slaughtering people of other religions.

Class VII

* Some Jewish tribes also lived in Arabia. They lent money to workers and peasants on high rates of interest and usurped their earnings. They held the whole society in their tight grip because of the ever-increasing compound interest.
* History has no parallel to the extremely kind treatment of the Christians by the Muslims. Still the Christian kingdoms of Europe were constantly trying to gain control of Jerusalem. This was the cause of the Crusades.
* European nations have been working during the past three centuries, through conspiracies or naked aggression, to subjugate countries of the Muslim world.

w Hindus always desired to crush the Muslims as a nation. Several attempts were made by the Hindus to erase Muslim culture and civilisation.
* The Hindus too wished to ruin Muslim civilisation and culture by destroying Urdu which has been closely associated with the Pakistan Movement.

Class VIII

* During the Khilafat Movement Hindus and Muslims were completely united and like brothers and they started to cooperate and live in peaceful togetherness. But as soon as this movement ended, Hindu hatred of the Muslim re-emerged.
* Before Islam people lived in untold misery all over the world.

Class IX

* The Hindus and the Muslims... could not amalgamate each other's way of life to become one nation.The main reason for this difference of cultures, civilisation and outlook was the religion of Islam which cannot be assimilated in any other system as it is based on the principle of... oneness of God... On the other hand, Hinduism is based on the concept of multiple Gods... There lies the difference between the Hindu and Muslim way of thinking.
* In connivance with the (British) government the Hindus started communal riots and caused loss of life and property.At the time of prayers the Hindus tortured the Muslims by playing music in front of the mosques. Before the commencement of classes the students saluted the portrait of Mahatma Gandhi and Muslim students were also forced to do so.
* Muslims promoted equality and social justice as against the division (created by) the (Hindu) caste system.

Class X

* (The ideology of) Pakistan... was a revolt against the prevailing system of India in which Hindu nationalism was imposed on the Muslims...
* Islam gives a message of peace and brotherhood... There is no such concept in Hinduism. Moreover Islam preaches brotherhood, equality and justice... On the other hand, the Hindu society is based on caste system which downgrades the entire mankind.
* After the establishment of Pakistan the Hindus and Sikhs created a day of doom for the Muslims in East Punjab.
* The Hindus were encouraged by the (British) government to force the Muslims to join the Congress.



(These extracts have been translated from Urdu which is the standard medium of instruction in government schools in Pakistan.)

Sorry link for prior
http://acage.org/articles/?id=0088

Oh well that source is a hate site and bigotted, yak. Yak. Yak.
Here,s another.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatc...ves/007743.php


August 19, 2005

Fitzgerald: Telling the truth about India

Jihad Watch's Hugh Fitzgerald sheds the light of truth on another subject about which there is a great deal of misinformation and disinformation: the treatment of Hindus (and Sikhs) by Muslims in India.

In sheer numbers, no group of Believers has suffered from Islam like the Hindus. It is amazing that few Indian-Americans, and few Indo-British, seem to know the history of their own ancestors and of what the Muslim conquest -- or perhaps one should say the Early Conquest and then the Later Conquest -- did to India, which Naipaul accurately described as a "wounded civilization." K. S. Lal writes of the 60-70 million Hindu victims murdered by their Muslim masters. When those Muslim masters ceased the mass killings, it was not out of any sense of mercy, but only to extort the jizya from people who would now be treated in a manner akin to Jews and Christians: dhimmis who would be allowed to live, but would be subject to a series of economic, political, and social disabilities that guaranteed a permanent status of degradation, humiliation, and physical insecurity. There are those who are morally indifferent to how the Mughal conquerors ruled, or to what happened to the Hindus (or the Sikhs). One thinks of the deplorable William Dalrymple (who is apparently not deplorable enough for the TLS to cease assigning him books to review on the subject) in his popular accounts of the luxury and love-intrigue at Mughal courts, or that other, more scholarly apologist for Islam, Francis Robinson. A number of factors have contributed to the indifference of Hindu intellectuals in India, and outside India, to the real nature of Islam. For the first, there is the common desire to ape the attitudes of so-called intellectuals in London and New York. It would not do, it does not do, to be too exercised about Islam. And of course, all things pertaining to Hindutva, to a sense of Indian nationalism connected to Hinduism, is mocked in the world, though it offers not the slightest threat or menace (unlike Islam) to anyone – anyone, that is, but the Muslims who continue to procreate and "gain market-share" as a percentage of the population in India, even as they harry or persecute or murder the Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan and Bangladesh and, whenever they can, in Kashmir and elsewhere in India.

The astounding ignorance of Indian history that one finds in the Western world, and the supplanting of that history by the ooohing and aahing over Mughal emperors, should stick in everyone's craw. And some sympathetic attention to the claims of Hindus to Hindustan, and to the other non-Muslim populations in that most naturally tolerant of civilizations, should be given in Western universities and in the Western media. Even those newspapers in the Western world that are aimed at an Indian immigrant audience tend to pull their punches about Islam, or perhaps ignore the subject altogether (save in a few cases where the readership is definitely Hindu or Hindu and Sikh). This is done, one supposes, because the newspaper owners do not wish to alienate Muslim Indians in the West who might also read the paper, even if it means ignoring the major issue of our time and possibly of our century: the issue of the world-wide Jihad, from which Indian civilization suffered, and from which Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India itself (including Indian Kashmir), and now in Great Britain, also suffer. Hindus and Sikhs in Britain, having come to the West with its freedoms and opportunities, and who once here have not given any occasion for alarm or offense, now find themselves, thousands of miles from India, subject yet again to the implacable hatred and menace of Islam. Whenever an Indian (Hindu or Sikh) intellectual becomes known outside of India, he is quick to demonstrate his abhorrence of what is called "communalism" (which always means: those silly Hindus, and Sikhs, who may be too much attached to their own traditions and faiths, and of course are to be regarded with lack of sympathy should they dare to demonstrate any lack of sympathy themselves for Islam). One can see the phenomenon, for example, in the attitudes and rhetoric of Amartya Sen, who has written about the "democracy" within Islam. Sen’s is an entirely ahistorical piece that makes one wish to insist that this particular shoemaker should stick to his last profession, though now he appears to have decided to make shoes for the whole wide world.

Readers should go to the historians of India -- K. S. Lal, Sir Jahundath Sarkar, those who contributed to the 19th-century volume edited by the Englishmen Dowson and Elliot -- as well as to the modern non-Indian scholars Koenraad Elst and Francois Gautier. They will be surprised what they will learn about the history of India. They might even begin with that book with the old-fashioned title "The Wonder That Was India," about pre-Islamic India, written by A. L. Basham. Others might choose to look at the grim list of Hindu temples, thousands of them, destroyed by Muslims, a list compiled by Sita Ram Goel (another author, who along with Ram Swarup is regarded by many Bright Young Indian Things as simply beyond the pale -- and they make this judgment without ever having bothered to read his works), and published in two volumes.

Among those of Indian descent well-known to the outside world, and who cannot be ignored as "Hindu fanatics" (a term thrown around a good deal, even though the most fanatical of Hindus would not come close, in the menace that his worldview would present to non-Hindus, to what the mildest and most "moderate" of Muslims presents to non-Muslims), the only one to tell the truth about Islam has been V. S. Naipaul.

There should be many more.

Various Islamic conquerors wreaked great havok upon the Hindu and Buddhist cultures of India. Mahmud of Ghazni swore to make war against the idolators every year of his life--he led about 17 invasions, and faithfully followed the Qur'anic directive to kill the idolators wherever they could be found. The slaughter he wrought at the temple of Somnath alone, at which Muslim chroniclers claim a toll of 50,000 Hindus, appoints him a place of infamy in Indian history. After his conquests of Varanasi, Ujjain, Maheshwar, Jwalamukhi, and Dwarka, not one temple was left standing. In Kangra, besides over 10,000 other temples destroyed by Mahmud:

* In the middle of the city there was a temple larger and finer than the rest, which can neither be described nor painted. The Sultan [Mahmud] was of the opinion that 200 years would have been required to build it. The idols included "five of red gold, each five yards high," with eyes formed of priceless jewels. The Sultan gave orders that all the temples should be burnt with naphtha and fire, and leveled with the ground.[VA Smith p207]

Tarikh-i-Yamini of Utbi, Mahmud’s court historian, recorded Mahmud's conquest of Thanesar in 1011:


* The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously [at Thanesar] that the stream was discoloured, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it. The Sultan returned with plunder which is impossible to count. Praise he to Allah for the honour he bestows on Islam and Muslims.

And Nandana in 1013:


* The Sultan returned in the rear of immense booty, and slaves were so plentiful that they became very cheap and men of respectability in their native land were degraded by becoming slaves of common shopkeepers. But this is the goodness of Allah, who bestows honour on his own religion and degrades infidelity.

Mahaban 1018:


* The infidels deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river, but many of them were slain, taken or drowned. Nearly fifty thousand men were killed. The Sultan gave orders that all the temples should be burnt with naptha and fire, and levelled with the ground.

Kanuaj:


* In Kanauj there were nearly ten thousand temples. Many of the inhabitants of the place fled in consequence of witnessing the fate of their deaf and dumb idols. Those who did not fly were put to death. The Sultan gave his soldiers leave to plunder and take prisoners.

Shrawa:


* The Muslims paid no regard to the booty till they had satiated themselves with the slaughter of the infidels and worshippers of sun and fire. The friends of Allah searched the bodies of the slain for three days in order to obtain booty… The booty amounted in gold and silver, rubies and pearls nearly to three hundred thousand dirhams, and the number of prisoners may be conceived from the fact that each was sold for two to ten dirhams. These were afterwards taken to Ghazni and merchants came from distant cities to purchase them, so that the countries of Mawaraun-Nahr, Iraq and Khurasan were filled with them, and the fair and the dark, the rich and the poor, were commingled in one common slavery.


Faithfully following the example of the prophet, whom upon entering Mecca had the idols of the Kabaa smashed and ordered the Quray****es to destroy their own private idols, the various Muslim conquerors, from Qasim to Mahmud, Muhammad Ghuri, Firuz Shah, Timur, Akbar the Great, Aurangzeb and others, utterly devastated India's Hindu and Buddhist cultural heritage. The great wealth of India has led many apologists to claim that the Hindu conquests were not religious in nature, but fortunately for the rest of us the Islamic conquest were well documented by their undertakers. Timur speaks of his motivations for invading India:

* About this time there arose in my heart the desire to lead an expedition against the infidels, and to become a ghazi; for it had reached my ears that the slayer of infidels is ghazi, and if he is slain he becomes martyr. It was for this reason that I formed my resolution but I was undetermined in my mind whether I should direct my expedition against the infidels of China or against the infidels and polytheists of India. In this matter I sought an omen from the Koran and the verse to which I opened was this: 'O Prophet, make war upon the infidels and unbelievers, and treat them with severity'.


Thus, archeological evidence shows that thousands of mosques in the former Hindu empire are built on the foundations of, and, in many cases, from the debris of, demolished Hindu temples. Idols were smashed or mutilated and trampled on before Muslim places of worship, or, if they contained precious metals, were melted down and re-used. Some were turned into toilet seats or handed over to butchers to be used as weights. Sacred Hindu texts were defiled or burnt, and cows were slaughtered upon the temple sites so that Hindus could never use them again.

The magnitude of Muslim atrocities in India is so great that I grossly understimate their scope simply by attempting to describe them, particularly in one chapter of one book. By the sword of Islam, an entire civilization was destroyed and the number of dead easily number in the millions over several decades. The value of the booty--'jewels and unbored pearls and rubies, shining like sparks or like wine congealed with ice, and emeralds like fresh sprigs of myrtle, and diamonds in size and weight like pomegranates'[Smith p207]--can never be measured. As a result of [this] fanaticism, thousands of temples which had represented the art of India through a millennium were laid in ruins. We can never know, from looking at India today, what grandeur and beauty she once possessed. [Will Durant] This rich cultural heritage, like the foundations and materials of Hindu temples used to erect Muslim mosques, were highjacked by Islam. Indian mathemeticians conceived algebra and the number zero, which were translated to the Muslim world through its conquests, and then brought to the West through conquest; Islamic civilization now mistakenly receives credit for these innovations. India before Islam was one of the most advanced civilizations of all time.

Are we clear now?

:p ha ha ha LOL

Jihad watch is a Zionist racist website, the Pro Israel religious fanatical are no different then the Neo Nazis where about there Jew hatred,

Zionists are NOT "Jews" anymore then Nazis are not "Christians or Socialists".
This is the same for those who call themselves Egyptians and at the same time Muslims.

They are ignorant Racists who make up 99.9 percent of there stories, you better get out your history books before Hitler's clans suck you into there lies.

Here are some facts about where racism was invented;
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

No wonder you where suckered by Bush.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...sh_sosorry.gif

Very funny guy

By the way,

The number zero came from the earliest arabs just like the wedding ring came from egypt, not from the muslims in the 9th century,

The number zero was re introduced by arab Hindus aka pakistan area before islam came around, and today all numbers are arabic which took europe about 500 years to accept after literally living in the dark ages, which they keep trying to go back into thanks to greedy leaders who know how to take advantage of the most inbred ignorant ethnic morans who also slept for that long while muslims told them the world was round.

And the above is a fine example of the lies these "jihad watch" web sites feed haters, if you like hatred start with facing your very own enemy with in... cause you have nothing to stand on but that your admitting to been a sore loser like the nazis who rather blamed the world when they cold not live in it while they had the hate disease.

I take it that you think you found peace in blame games?

Here is something you should consider to recognize who is been truthfull in there speech.Men of little or no faith always put down the law and tell better people what to do, in case of refusal they shower insults and injuries, no attention is to be paid to them. it is there way.

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:p ha ha ha LOL

Jihad watch is a Zionist racist website, the Pro Israel religious fanatical are no different then the Neo Nazis where about there Jew hatred,

Zionists are NOT "Jews" anymore then Nazis are not "Christians or Socialists".
This is the same for those who call themselves Egyptians and at the same time Muslims.

They are ignorant Racists who make up 99.9 percent of there stories, you better get out your history books before Hitler's clans suck you into there lies.

Here are some facts about where racism was invented;
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

No wonder you where suckered by Bush.
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Like I said I knew you would attack JW,
A site that like the drudge report they ,
Collect news and opinion pieces that ask

The Question
If Islam has been jihacked by extremist prove it with scripture ?

Guess what you can't because that is what I set out to prove 3 years ago.

False claims of racism and bigotry are simply not a suffciant answer for the genocide and subjegation coming from the Quran.

Muslims do not get to appropriate any innocence that goes to jews because of hitler and nazism ,
As muslims were fighting shoulder to shoulder
With nazis and were often the them Neimoller was talking about.
Islamic Script proves Islams guilt .


2.216. Jihâd (holy fighting in Allâh's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allâh knows but you do not know.

2.217. They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar). Say, "Fighting therein is a great (transgression) but a greater (transgression) with Allâh is to prevent mankind from following the Way of Allâh, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah), and to drive out its inhabitants, and Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islâmic Monotheism) if they can. And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever."
http://infidels.kafirnation.com/english/surah2.html

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Tafsir Ibn Kathir

http://www.tafsir.com/Default.asp

Shirk is worse than Killing

Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

[وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:

[وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''

Your first big mistake is inventing arabic definitions, or are you trying to lie your way through?

Jihad means struggle, both inner and outer, the fighting for Allah's cause is ordained in the bible too, with the torah, the same laws in islam called the "Sharia" and called "Tenack" in Hebrew or simply the "Ten Commandments" , they where coded in a way no man could have corrupted them.

Same for the rest, your propagating lies kid. All the laws of the bible are the same laws in the Koran, only nothing was left out at all and clear, read it for yourself before going to racist websites.

Its simple, Muslims picked up where Jews left off worshiping according to them and to jesus, that is so simple but hard to believe for the people in deep sin who claim to be doing what the "Sharia" and called "Tenack" or Ten Commandments so to speak orders them to do, do you do this, if you do not then I would suggest you stay away from the subject cause it proves your legit hypocrite, think about it.

Too anyone playing along at home,
Please make noet of all the documentation and scriptural evidance G4-450 uses to refute me
Are his posts attacks on me other people and websites or are they consice arguments that reveal how Isalam has been Hijacked and twistied by extremists?

Noble Qur’an 2:190 Footnote: “Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.”


The passage itself can be found in two places. It is on page 39 of the Noble Qur’an translation by Muhammad Khan and distributed by “King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur’an—The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques. It is a footnote to Qur’an 2.190 and is designed to explain Jihad according to Allah as this is the first time the word is used.
And it can be found on page 580 of the Islamic University of Medina’s translation of Sahih al-Bukhari’s Hadith. There it opens Bukhari’s Book of Jihad.

In both cases, the Islamic scholars are condensing Allah’s and Muhammad’s teachings on Jihad to a single paragraph.

G$ did you noit get the memo at the bomb factory ?
Your Iman told you , "you cannot defend or promote Islam on the internet any more, the cat is out of the bag ,
islam is a pig in a poke!"

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Your first big mistake is inventing arabic definitions, or are you trying to lie your way through?

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Are you insane?

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Jihad means struggle, both inner and outer, the fighting for Allah's cause is ordained in the bible too, with the torah, the same laws in islam called the "Sharia" and called "Tenack" in Hebrew or simply the "Ten Commandments" , they where coded in a way no man could have corrupted them.

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I provided the consice defination of the Jihad

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Same for the rest, your propagating lies kid. All the laws of the bible are the same laws in the Koran, only nothing was left out at all and clear, read it for yourself before going to racist websites.

Its simple, Muslims picked up where Jews left off worshiping according to them and to jesus, that is so simple but hard to believe for the people in deep sin who claim to be doing what the "Sharia" and called "Tenack" or Ten Commandments so to speak orders them to do, do you do this, if you do not then I would suggest you stay away from the subject cause it proves your legit hypocrite, think about it.

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YAK YAK YAK.
Irreleavent and untrue.
funny though
Stay away from the subject ?
Google my user name , roll up your're tent, and move on.
Your finished here.

Im going to guess this one was an idiot,
http://img116.exs.cx/img116/1231/z7shysterical.gif

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Too anyone playing along at home,
please make noet of all the documentation and scriptural evidance G4-450 uses to refute me Are his posts attacks on me other people and websites or are they consice arguments that reveal how Isalam has been Hijacked and twistied by extremists?

Noble Qur’an 2:190 Footnote: “Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite.”


The passage itself can be found in two places. It is on page 39 of the Noble Qur’an translation by Muhammad Khan and distributed by “King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur’an—The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques. It is a footnote to Qur’an 2.190 and is designed to explain Jihad according to Allah as this is the first time the word is used.
And it can be found on page 580 of the Islamic University of Medina’s translation of Sahih al-Bukhari’s Hadith. There it opens Bukhari’s Book of Jihad.

In both cases, the Islamic scholars are condensing Allah’s and Muhammad’s teachings on Jihad to a single paragraph.

G$ did you noit get the memo at the bomb factory ?
Your Iman told you , "you cannot defend or promote Islam on the internet any more, the cat is out of the bag , islam is a pig in a poke!"

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WHAT :p You're a serious liar, you changed what the Koran said to lie, and your only fooling yourself, I can not imagine what your getting out of fooling yourself from the truth, its like a trap that will snatch your soul sooner or later.

And who are you referring to take note here, your imagionary friends?
And what Imam are you referring to, did you see me going to one?
You have ben making things up and lying all alone.

The "Jihad watch" web site does not tell you that Jihad means struggle in order to be clement, this is within and or against evil ones who attack you out of greed, as in for oil or you homes like pirates.

Jihad does NOT mean fighting as in attacking at all, just struggle. even says to stop if they surrender.

On the other hand, take a note cuase you may need to get away from the people you surrounded yourself with, they are NOT telling you the truth and they are no different from the nazis who also where skitzo paranoid and threw little jewish children into ovens, in fact they are still at large.

Read for yourself,
[2.190] And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. (((((Fight if attacked is what this means and stop when its over))))

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. ((((same thing again))))

[2.192] But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. ((((if they desist, stop! ))))

This means your fighting for a rightious cuase, not for vengeance or attacking, or did you think good people should walk into ovens again lik ein Nazi Germany because they believe in God?

Jesus said; Matt.12 [50] For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven(((means Muslim)))), the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: ALLAH, but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Here is a commandment;
Though Shall Not Kill, --> Unless it is against tyrant Opressors who are blinded by there greed, this is Jihad outwardly in the open, eitherwise you committed the sin of suicide by allowing ones to kill you.

Jihad in the bible, where it comes from;
"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"

Maybe this is where you are confusing Jihad up with.

There is a big difference between Clement of evil people attacking and looting the innocent's land and goods from the clement as in Hitler's racist "New World Order" and "struggle" and "Nimp Kumpf" that the Bush legacy is talking about when they mean ethnic cleansing the world.

Do you agree with standing up and protecting the innocent or do you prefer to surrender to people hostile to you, and throw you out of your home like the nazis did to the jews?

Your just paranoid of ethnicity, period. you need to get out and learn how to live in the world as it is. and accept it that you're a human just like all of us.

As I understand you, you basically;
1--back up the EVIL bad people in your post
AND
2 --you are saying that the good guys should not fight in there defense if attacked..

Again, Of all 3 Abrahamic faiths, Islam waas the first and last and took off where the children of Israel lost to the tribe of Judah.

You lost your argument for literally lying about islam, especially stating that jihad s apillar; the 5 pillars of islam are

1 Shahada, means making a testimony to the one true god of all prophets up until Mohamed, and that there are no other gods but god, the god of abraham,

2 Salat, means prayer

3 ramadan, the holy month of fasting

4 zakat, the tax to the poor

5 hajr, going to mecca

and guess what.! they are not all mandatory, God accepts everything from his believers been that they are sincere in there oaths, not like the people who break them like you, I recommend you change and heal rather then feeding off the xenophobic paranoa.

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Im going to guess i am a idiot skinhead, i like to lie

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:p You totally lied and made things up,
Why did you not copy and paste exactly what you wanted to post from the koran rather then adding little tricks to the texts , and you did not prove one single thing but that you are a anti semetic xenophobic nazi hater, get a life will yah :D

EXPOSED long ago

If you have a leg to stand up on then get the truth, cause the only people who swallow your lies are the real idiots, and anyone who does that is not trustworthy like you, and I take it you swallowed Bush's real deeep ?

http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...h_twofaces.jpg

We know who you voted for,
http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...umb_people.jpg

There is little to say If you are going to put yourself above Sahih Bukahari and the care takers of the two great mosques as a higher authority of all things Islamic.
You did get one thing right I hate Nazism but even some Nazis were good people.
I having a hard time finding a descent muslims who by the way were allies of Hitler’s.
Here is a nice little Fatwa

Question;
Many muslims priase Hitler for killing jews, shoud they or are they wrong.
Answer;
Islam has ordered us Muslims to fight against the enemies of Islam and not be like the Jew and make other nations fight their wars. We as Muslims may share in Hitlers hatered for the Jews but we cannot praise him for the manner in which he went about killing the jews (if the history books are correct). But rather we as Muslims are governed by the Shariah which prohibit the killing the old and the weak etc.

And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

You can find one of the most respected exegesis of the Quran here
http://www.tafsir.com/Default.asp
And here is a vetted none doctored Quran that I use.
http://infidels.kafirnation.com/english/Default.html
You can obtain an identical copy from http://www.road-to-heaven.com/
And it only gets worse for you from here.

[2.192] But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. ((((if they desist, stop! ))))

The is the tasfir on the Verse you are having a fit about, it say's

The Order to fight until there is no more Fitnah

Allah then commanded fighting the disbelievers when He said:

[حَتَّى لاَ تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ]

(... until there is no more Fitnah) meaning, Shirk. This is the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ar-Rabi`, Muqatil bin Hayyan, As-Suddi and Zayd bin Aslam.

Allah's statement:

[وَيَكُونَ الدِّينُ للَّهِ]

(... and the religion (all and every kind of worship) is for Allah (Alone).) means, `So that the religion of Allah becomes dominant above all other religions.' It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Abu Musa Al-Ash`ari said: "The Prophet was asked, `O Allah's Messenger! A man fights out of bravery, and another fights to show off, which of them fights in the cause of Allah' The Prophet said:

«مَنْ قَاتَلَ لِتَكُونَ كَلِمَةُ اللهِ هِيَ الْعُلْيا فَهُوَ فِي سَبِيلِ الله»

(He who fights so that Allah's Word is superior, then he fights in Allah's cause.) In addition, it is reported in the Two Sahihs:

«أُمِرْتُ أَنْ أُقَاتِلَ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَقُولُوا لَا إِلهَ إلَّا اللهُ، فَإِذَا قَالُوهَا عَصَمُوا مِنِّي دِمَاءَهُم وَأَمْوَالَهُمْ إلَّا بِحَقِّهَا وَحِسَابُهُمْ عَلَى الله»

(I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight the people until they proclaim, `None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. Whoever said it, then he will save his life and property from me, except for cases of the law, and their account will be with Allah.)

Allah's statement:

[فَإِنِ انتَهَواْ فَلاَ عُدْوَنَ إِلاَّ عَلَى الظَّـلِمِينَ]

(But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against the wrongdoers.) indicates that, `If they stop their Shirk and fighting the believers, then cease warfare against them. Whoever fights them afterwards will be committing an injustice. Verily aggression can only be started against the unjust.' This is the meaning of Mujahid's statement that only combatants should be fought. Or, the meaning of the Ayah indicates that, `If they abandon their injustice, which is Shirk in this case, then do not start aggression against them afterwards.' The aggression here means retaliating and fighting them, just as Allah said:

[فَمَنِ اعْتَدَى عَلَيْكُمْ فَاعْتَدُواْ عَلَيْهِ بِمِثْلِ مَا اعْتَدَى عَلَيْكُمْ]

(Then whoever transgresses against you, you transgress likewise against him.) (2:194)

Similarly, Allah said:

[وَجَزَآءُ سَيِّئَةٍ سَيِّئَةٌ مِّثْلُهَا]

(The recompense for an evil is an evil like thereof.) (42:40), and:

[وَإِنْ عَاقَبْتُمْ فَعَاقِبُواْ بِمِثْلِ مَا عُوقِبْتُمْ بِهِ]

(And if you punish them, then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted. ) (16:126)

`Ikrimah and Qatadah stated, "The unjust person is he who refuses to proclaim, `There is no God worthy of worship except Allah'.''

Under Allah's statement:

[وَقَـتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لاَ تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ]

(And fight them until there is no more Fitnah) Al-Bukhari recorded that Nafi` said that two men came to Ibn `Umar during the conflict of Ibn Az-Zubayr and said to him, "The people have fallen into shortcomings and you are the son of `Umar and the Prophet's Companion. Hence, what prevents you from going out'' He said, "What prevents me is that Allah has for bidden shedding the blood of my (Muslim) brother.'' They said, "Did not Allah say:

[وَقَـتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لاَ تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ]

(And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah))'' He said, "We did fight until there was no more Fitnah and the religion became for Allah Alone. You want to fight until there is Fitnah and the religion becomes for other than Allah!''

`Uthman bin Salih added that a man came to Ibn `Umar and asked him, "O Abu `Abdur-Rahman! What made you perform Hajj one year and `Umrah another year and abandon Jihad in the cause of Allah, although you know how much He has encouraged performing it'' He said, "O my nephew! Islam is built on five (pillars): believing in Allah and His Messenger, the five daily prayers, fasting Ramadan, paying the Zakah and performing Hajj (pilgrimage) to the House.'' They said, "O Abu `Abdur-Rahman! Did you not hear what Allah said in His Book:

[وَإِن طَآئِفَتَانِ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ اقْتَتَلُواْ فَأَصْلِحُواْ بَيْنَهُمَا فَإِن بَغَتْ إِحْدَاهُمَا عَلَى الأُخْرَى فَقَـتِلُواْ الَّتِى تَبْغِى حَتَّى تَفِىءَ إِلَى أَمْرِ اللَّهِ]

(And if two parties (or groups) among the believers fall to fighting, then make peace between them both. But if one of them outrages against the other, then fight you (all) against the one that which outrages till it complies with the command of Allah.) (49:9) and:

[وَقَـتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لاَ تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ]

(And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief))

He said, "That we did during the time of Allah's Messenger when Islam was still weak and (the Muslim) man used to face trials in his religion, such as killing or torture. When Islam became stronger (and apparent), there was no more Fitnah.'' He asked, "What do you say about `Ali and `Uthman'' He said, "As for `Uthman, Allah has forgiven him. However, you hated the fact that Allah had forgiven him! As for `Ali, he is the cousin of Allah's Messenger and his son-in-law.'' He then pointed with his hand, saying, "This is where his house is located (meaning, `so close to the Prophet's house just as `Ali was so close to the Prophet himself').''

[الشَّهْرُ الْحَرَامُ بِالشَّهْرِ الْحَرَامِ وَالْحُرُمَـتُ قِصَاصٌ فَمَنِ اعْتَدَى عَلَيْكُمْ فَاعْتَدُواْ عَلَيْهِ بِمِثْلِ مَا اعْتَدَى عَلَيْكُمْ وَاتَّقُواْ اللَّهَ وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَ الْمُتَّقِينَ ]

(194. The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of equality (Qisas). Then whoever transgresses against you, you transgress likewise against him. And fear Allah, and know that Allah is with Al-Muttaqin.)

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Lets take a look at another fatwa whether you believe the Quran is a fraud documenting Mohammed justifying his crimes in the name of allah a rock idol given to his family from the sabians.
Or just lies made up along the way .
Its vercaity or lack their of aside ,
What does it say and what do those things
Look like when put into real life?

Islam Questions & Answers
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Question Reference Number:: 13241
Title: Treatment of prisoners-of-war in Islam

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How are prisoners of war treated in Islam?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Islam is the religion of mercy and justice; it commands us to call others to the religion of Allaah in a kind and good manner, and to encourage people to enter this great religion.
If some people persist in rejecting the religion of Allaah and stand in the way of ruling by that which Allaah has revealed on earth, or they fight against the call to Allaah, then we give them the choice of three things:

Either they become Muslim; or if they refuse they pay the jizyah (whereby they pay a specified amount to the Muslims in return for being allowed to remain their land, and the Muslims undertake to protect them); or, if they refuse that, there is nothing left but the way which they themselves have chosen, which is fighting and dealing violently with those who have persecuted the Muslims and put obstacles in the path of the Islamic da’wah. In this way the Muslims will gain the upper hand and the enemies will be humiliated; then when we have killed and wounded many of them and gained the upper hand over them,
We may take prisoners and bind a bond firmly on them [cf. Muhammad 47:4], because in that case it is more in tune with the idea of mercy by choice (not because we are afraid of them); at that point war should not continue any longer than is necessary.
War in Islam should not be waged for the sole purpose of shedding blood or seeking vengeance.
If the Muslims capture them and take them to a place that has been prepared for them, they should not harm them or torture them with beatings, depriving them of food and water, leaving them out in the sun or the cold, burning them with fire, or putting covers over their mouths, ears and eyes and putting them in cages like animals.
Rather they should treat them with kindness and mercy, feed them well and encourage them to enter Islam.
Thumaamah ibn Athaal – the leader of Bani Haneefah – was brought (to Madeenah) as a prisoner and tied to one of the pillars of the mosque.
The Messenger(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to him and said, “What do you think, O Thumaamah?” He said, “What I think, O Muhammad, is good.
If you kill me, you will kill one with blood on his hands – i.e., I will deserve to be killed because I have killed Muslims – and if you release me you will release one who will be grateful.
If you want money,then ask, and I will give you whatever you want.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) left him for three days, and each day he would come and ask him similar questions, and Thumaamah would give similar answers.
After the third day,
He commanded that he should be released. Thumaamah went to a stand of date-palms near the mosque where he bathed (did ghusl), then he came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said, “I bear witness that there is no god except Allaah and I bear witness that Muhammad is the slave of Allaah and His Messenger.”
Then he said: “O Messenger of Allaah, by Allaah there was no one on earth whose face was more hateful to me than yours, but now your face is the most beloved of all faces to me.
By Allaah, there was no religion that was more hateful to me than your religion, but now your religion has become the most beloved of all religions to me.
By Allaah, there was no land more hateful to me than your land, but now your land has become the most beloved to me. Your cavalry captured me when I was on my way to perform ‘Umrah, so what do you think I should do?”
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) congratulated him, and told him to go for ‘Umrah. When he came to Makkah, someone asked him, “Have you changed your religion?” He said, “No, but I have submitted with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and by Allaah you will not get a grain of wheat from al-Yamaamah unless the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) gives permission.”
Think about this story, may Allaah bless you, and how the kind treatment of Thumaamah led to his embracing Islam, which could not have happened were it not primarily by the grace of Allaah, and also the kind treatment which Thumaamah received.
In the Qur’aan, Allaah says of the righteous (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they give food, in spite of their love for it (or for the love of Him), to the Miskeen (the poor), the orphan, and the captive,
(Saying): ‘We feed you seeking Allaah’s Countenance only. We wish for no reward, nor thanks from you’”
[al-Insaan 76:8-9]
Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Ibn ‘Abbaas said: in those days their prisoners were mushrikeen; on the day of Badr the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded them to be kind to their prisoners, so they used to put them before themselves when it came to food…
Mujaahid said, this refers to the one who is detained, i.e., they would give food to these prisoners even though they themselves desired it and loved it.”
The ruling on tying up prisoners:
It is well known that if prisoners are able to escape they will not hesitate to do so, because they may be afraid of dying and they do not know what awaits them.

Hence the Muslims were commanded to tie up their prisoners and to tie their hands to their necks, lest they run away. This is something that still happens and is well known to all people.

The wisdom behind permitting the taking of prisoners is so as to weaken the enemy and ward off his evil by keeping him away from the battlefield so that he cannot be effective or play any role; it also creates a means of freeing Muslim prisoners by
Trading the prisoners whom we are holding.
Detaining prisoners

Prisoners should be detained until it is decided what is the best move. The ruler of the Muslims should detain prisoners until he decides what is in the Muslims’ best interests.

He may ransom them for money, or exchange them for Muslim prisoners, or release them for nothing in return, or distribute them among the Muslims as slaves, or kill the men, but not the women and children, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade killing the latter.
The purpose behind detaining prisoners is so that the Muslims may be protected from their evil.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to enjoin the Muslims to treat prisoners well, whereas the Romans and those who came before them the Assyrians and Pharaohs, all used to put out their prisoners’ eyes with hot irons, and flay them alive, feeding their skins to dogs, such that the prisoners preferred death to life.

Ahkaam al-Sijn wa’l-Sujana’ wa Mu’aamalat al-Sujana’ fi’l-Islam by Hasan Abi’l-Ghuddah, 256 (www.islam-qa.com)

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even some Nazis were good people.

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Now your claiming to be good and take the credit for killing 6 million jews ?

It is illegal for anyone to say what you just said, to claim it was good to place people in ovens, judge them by appearance is denial of the holocaust and countable for imprisonment in many countries, even ISLAMIC ones.

Your clearly another racist nazi who feeds of hatred, you guys are all miserable schizophrenic xenophobes who need lots of help for your disease, its you that has a problem with living in this world with others.

And for your information, on a islamic level, muslims believe people like yourself are cursed for seeking sustanance in anything other then your own creator out of arrogance and then hurting innocent people for yourself hatred.

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Islam has ordered us Muslims to fight against the enemies of Islam and not be like the Jew and make other nations fight their wars.

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Now you're a muslim? since when... you did not even recognize the 5 pillars of islam, fighting is not even listed... and you also lie allot.

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We as Muslims may share in Hitlers hatered for the Jews but we cannot praise him for the manner in which he went about killing the jews .

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Who is we?
I have not met one Muslim who backed up Hitler or his racist evil crimes against humanity,

The longest moments of peace in Jerusalem was during the islamic administration. this is because the first Peace treaties where order by ALLAH, and muslims promised to protect those who believed in Allah whether they where Jews, Muslims or christians, and this was a order.
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You can find one of the most respected exegesis of the Quran here.

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:D You pointed to allot of places but have not one presented your facts on the table here, it is only your loss to think that you can turn a blind eye on your own lies and keep pretending no one knows what your doing,


It is clear that your not a muslim, and it is clear that your not a trustworthy person at all, no one hijacked islam, if anything Israel hijacked the U.S. of A.

Ariel Sharon:
"We control America"
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.


"Israel controls the United States Senate."
- Sen. William Fulbright

Sorry People are smart enough to see
How stupid your replies are and how
They do not address the scripture.

Murder and Mayhem are part and parcel of Islam .
Jihad is visiting France.
They are carving out a new Gaza Strip.

As for peace and equity under Islam it is a myth it never happened Dhimmitude is hatefull oppression
a snip from a two part essay
http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...rticle_id=4467
http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...rticle_id=4470
which is part of a much longer series of essay from this book
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...23076?v=glance

by Andrew Bostom
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...rs.asp?ID=1056

Paroxysms of violent persecution erupted yet again in October-November 923 C.E. according to the patriarch of Alexandria, Sa’id b. Bitriq, as well as two Muslim chroniclers [summarized by Gil]: [63]

…the Muslims attacked…in Jerusalem on Palm Sunday (26 March 937) and set fire to the southern gates of Constantine’s church and to half of the exedra, whereupon the Church of the Calvary and the Church of the Resurrection collapsed…According to al-Makin and al-Maqrizi,

the Church of the Resurrection and the Church of the Calvary were also robbed of their treasures…It seems at the same time the Muslims attacked in Ascalon again. According to Yahya b. Sa’id, the assault was made on ‘the great church there, known by the name of Mary the Green.

They destroyed it and robbed it of all its contents and then set fire to it’…The bishop of Ascalon then left for Baghdad to get permission to rebuild the church, but he did not succeed. The church was left in ruins, for the Muslims who lived in Ascalon agreed amongst themselves that they would not allow it to be built again.

As to the bishop, he never returned to Ascalon and remained in Ramla until his death.

During the early 11th century period of al-Hakim’s reign, religious assaults and hostility intensified. As Gil notes, [64]

…the destruction of the churches at the Holy Sepulchre [1009 C.E.] marked the beginning of a whole series of acts of oppression against the Christian population, which according to reliable sources, extended to coercion to convert to Islam.

Yahya b. Sa’id’s description of the events surrounding the destruction of the Churches of the Holy Sepulchre is summarized by Gil: [65]

They dismantled the Church of the Resurrection to its very foundations, apart from what could not be destroyed or pulled up, and they also destroyed the Golgotha and the Church of St Constantine and all that they contained, as well as the sacred grave stones.

They even tried to dig up the graves and wipe out all traces of their existence. Indeed they broke and uprooted most of them. They also laid waste to a convent in the neighborhood…The authorities took all the other property belonging to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and its pious foundations and all its furnishings and treasures.

Citing both Muslim (al-Quda’i, Ibn Khallikan, and Ibn Al-Athir) and non-Muslim (Bar Hebraeus) sources, Gil also describes the edicts al-Hakim imposed upon the Christians and Jews beginning in August 1011 C.E.: [66]

They were ordered to wear black turbans. The Christians had to wear a cross the length of a cubit and weighing five ratls around their necks around their necks; the Jews were obliged to wear a block of wood of similar weight…they had to wear some distinguishing mark in the bath-houses, and finally al-Hakim decided that there were to be separate bath-houses for their use…Ibn Al-Athir conveys…

that al-Hakim ordered (after the destruction of the Chucrh of the Resurrection in Jerusalem…) that all the churches in the realm be destroyed, and this was done, and that the Jews and Christians were then to accept Islam, or emigrate to Byzantine lands.

They were also obliged to wear special distinguishing signs. Many converted…Bar Hebraeus speaks of thousands of churches which were destroyed in the Fatimid kingdom at that time; the decree regarding the wearing of the cross around the neck was also, he says, a means of pressuring the Christians to convert.

The wooden block the Jews were obliged to wear, had to be in the shape of a calf, as a reminder of the golden calf…

In a separate, focused analysis of the conditions of the dhimmis of Jerusalem, Gil concludes that during the early through the mid 11th century, the Jews suffered both economically and physically: [67] Economic conditions in Jerusalem were rather harsh, and the yeshiva often issued urgent appeals for aid. Besides, there were frequent acts of oppression on the part of the Muslim authorities.

Very often special heavy taxes were imposed, which aggravated the already precarious situation of both the yeshiva and the Jewish population of Jerusalem. It must be remembered that taxation in Jerusalem was probably different from that found in other parts of the Muslim world. It seems that Jews there had to pay a comprehensive lump sum for the whole Jewish population of the city, regardless of its numbers.

When the population decreased as a result of wars and Bedouin upheavals, the burden on each individual became heavier. In such situations the yeshiva was forced to borrow money, against heavy interest, from wealthy Muslims. When the time of repayment arrived, Jewish notables were in danger of being imprisoned, as the yeshiva was not in a position to accumulate the funds it had to return. In some cases people were actually incarcerated and it took a great deal of effort to collect the funds necessary for their release. An example is the letter written by Abraham, the son and main assistant of Solomon b. Yehuda, head of the yeshiva, to the sons of Mevasser, a family of parnasim of Fustat, asking them to keep their promise to send the aid in time to pay the kharaj. Muslim Turcoman rule of Palestine for the nearly three decades just prior to the Crusades (1071-1099 C.E.) was characterized by such unrelenting warfare and devastation, that an imminent “End of Days” atmosphere was engendered. [68]

For example, Gil describes one of Atsiz b. Awaq’s jihad campaigns in Syro-Palestine at around 1077 C.E.: [69] Then Atsiz advanced on Jerusalem from Damascus, placed the city under siege, and promised its inhabitants the aman; on this basis, the inhabitants opened the gates of the city to him. Atsiz prevailed over Jerusalem, completely ignoring his promise of aman, and went on a rampage.

He slaughtered 3,000 people there…He also conducted campaigns of annihilation against Ramla, until all its people had fled, and against Gaza, where he murdered the entire population. He likewise massacred people in al-’Arish and elsewhere and wrought endless havoc in Damascus, where only 3,000 of the original 500,000 inhabitants had remained, due to starvation and scarcity. Jaffa, too, was attacked, and its governor…fled from the town to Tyre, together with all the city’s inhabitants, while the walls of Jaffa were destroyed on Atsiz’ orders. A contemporary Russian chronicle cited by Gil indicates that the Turcomans,

Claims of hatered and bogotry are simply not an answer to the genocide and subjegation in the Quran.
Im sorry you will have to do better than "Im taking the Quran out of context",Im clearly not and I have given you the proof.
and "Im a bigot' those are not good enough arguments

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Sorry People are smart enough to see
how stupid your replies are

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like who and what people are you referring too?

Are you calling yourself stupid agan, you are the only one who replied remember :D and your not sticking to the topic.

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and how they do not address the scripture.

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who's scripture, yours?

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Murder and Mayhem are part and parcel of Islam .

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Islam means to submit to Peace in arabic, another slap again upside your inbred skinhead, bammm. are you the offspring of siblings or what?. And don't blame me for your own remarks when all you had to do was make the effort figure that out yourself before opening your mouth, your only feeding your own fire wood now.

So maybe your referring to what you want to "THINK" it means because you listen to those nazis who are actually "inbred morons" you call nice people who feed you fear and control your freedom by breeding you inside a terror dome.

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Jihad is visiting France.

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:p oooh, I am scared, did you notice that the people rioting in france where NOT muslims at all too, anyone you know there egghead?

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They are carving out a new Gaza Strip.

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Yeah those Israelis today are indeed doing what your saying, they only broke there treaties and UN resolutions over 650+ times and yet no one even addressed that they are the threat to world peace.

They even launched a site called "Jihad Watch" to create a smokescreen for there propaganda machine in order cover it all up, but there Prime Minister already let the cat out of the bag.


- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.

Ariel Sharon:

"We control America"

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."

This was publicly said of several times, not only once.