See my post above yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottGem
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See my post above yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottGem
You should be careful about using wikipedia as a factual source. Here is a quote from a Canadian Government website on copyright law:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Not infringement:
Quoting a few lines of the article in a research paper (fair dealing);
Playing records at home;
Giving a public performance of a play by Shakespeare (no copyright exists/public domain);
Obtaining permission from the author and paying a fee to him or her (if requested) in order to use an article; and
borrowing a musical tape from a friend to copy onto a blank tape for private use (a royalty payment to the owner of the song rights has been paid when the blank tape was purchased).
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Source: CIPO - A Guide to Copyrights: Copyright Protection
NK is wrong - see my quote from the Canadian Gov't website explaining the exemptions from copyright law below.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottGem
I live in Canada and have been following this fairly closely over the years. There have been discussions about making changes to this, but time will tell if that happens. Certainly there are those in the industry who are not happy with this provision is the law, but until chnages are in fact made and in force, copying remaining legal.
My apologies, I totally added the wrong link:
Canadian copyright levy on blank audio recording media
I'm not sure that covers the free-for-all filesharing world where the originator has not purchased the original material or media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
I agree with NK here. I agree the Canadian law is trying to decriminalize someone letting a friend make a copy of media they purchase. I think it's a different animal to making a copy and putting it on a site for dozens of strangers to copy. Or for stangers to just grab copies for free.
All right, I get the point, I will not download Limewire... I have yet to get any advice with Trillian, I went to the link provided. And read there, nothing helped... Is my computer just retarded?
There are two sides to the activity. The person sharing and the person copying. What we have been discussing, and what the topic was about, was downloading and copying for personal use.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Did you try here?
Cerulean Studios: Creators of Trillian and Trillian Pro Instant Messengers
This is the download site for Trillian
Note this quote from that site:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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... unless the legislation is changed or the courts interpret matters differently, it appears that making a private copy for your own use of a musical work downloaded in any manner from the internet is not an infringement of copyright. In their decision, the Copyright Board states:
The regime does not address the source of the material copied. There is no requirement in Part VIII that the source copy be a non-infringing copy. Hence, it is not relevant whether the source of the track is a pre-owned recording, a borrowed CD, or a track downloaded from the Internet.
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To be fair, I should repeat - this applies only to Canada. Downloading in the US is still illegal. And this applies only when the copying is done to certain types of media in Canada where the copyright fee is applied.
Thanks to everyone that turned this post into LIMEWIRE and PIRATING as well, I was asking for help on Trillian, and I have dropped the subject of Limewire.
I repeat...
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Originally Posted by J_9
Hmmm... I wonder if the judge would allow that argument:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
"Your honour, yes I have downloaded 10,000 songs form the internet but it's ok, I bought two blank DVDs for $1.29 so the levy I pay absolves me from any royalty payments." :D
Actually it's a good thread. I gave you the tech support site for Trillian. It would appear that it's not used a great deal by the members here so your best bet is contacting them for the problem you are having with their product (I assume you got it from their site).Quote:
Originally Posted by ChihuahuaMomma
Also you learned that downloading songs from P2P is indeed illegal and we have possibly saved you from being sued by the RIAA. It's all good. :)
This is why I suggested starting a new thread. You need to attract people familiar with Trillian and you need to detail what you have tried and what happens when you try.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChihuahuaMomma
Ok, so your contention is that it is the person sharing who is breaking the law but the person taking advantage of that sharing is blameless (at least under Canadian law).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Whether that is true or not, there is a large issue here and that is one of ethics. Lets take a different scenario. A person robs a bank. In the course of trying to getaway, the robber empties a bag of money causing a mob scene that blocks the police from pursuing. The mob grabs up the money dumped out. Is it legal for the members of the mob to keep that money? After all they didn't steal it from the bank? I think the courts would rule that they have no right to keep that money.
A person downloading songs that were illegally distributed is, in my humble opinion as guilty of piracy as the person who made the song available. Even if the laws won't allow prosecution its still an unethical thing to do.
This is not a matter of whether you agree with the law, it is a matter that that is what the law says and how the courts have interpreted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Scott,Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottGem
This is not a matter of what my contention is, nor what you opinion is. I responded because there were comments about the legalities of downloading, and that refers to what the law states, not what personal opinions are. To validate this, I provide the legal opinion of the office of the government of Canada responsible for this area of law.
What I stated therefore is the law in Canada, and how it is both written and interpreted by the courts.
As for ethics, I have no doubt that a vigorous debate result, but the issue brought forward was not ethics, but rather it was stated that downloading was illegal. My response was specific to that point.
Tom
Dude, I married with a lawyer, I know it's all about interpretation... and precedents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Yes indeed. That was my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Yes, I tried there... there was no help on why it wouldn't work...Quote:
Originally Posted by J_9
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