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I have a Bryant Plus 90 high efficiency furnace, Model 398A, about 14 years old. I am now on my third inducer motor assembly. The plastic blowers on the first two disintergrated. Does anyone have any idea as to why and what can be done to prevent another failure? Besides the inconvenience of no heat, they charge over $300 for a new motor assembly which seems excessive for this unit.
By disintegrated, what do you mean, and how long are you getting between failures?
The plastic blower broke into many pieces. The first (original) unit lasted 10 years, the second 4 years. I am now on my third unit. The first one was replaces by a service man, I did the second one myself. Checked the inducer housing and cleaned all the parts from it. Could not see where it may have bound up or anything. The blowers just seem to break up and when they start they just explode because of centrifical force.
I can understand your pain. I have about 6 year old Bryan 383K and yesterday the Inducer Motor gave up. I did not research enough because it has been cold, and we ended up with no heat all night. It cost me almost $600, that include parts and service ($497) and $89 for service visit :mad:. The service man took old Fan, otherwise I would have kept it, as now I know the original must be a good one... The new one looks kind of weak, and like you said may give up soon... now I am afraid. But changing the Inducer is very simple... I watched him, and in 30-40 minutes he was done... :
I did replace the last one myself after watching the service man do the first one and paying almost $500 - part plus call. I don't mind paying the service call but I was able to get my last inducer assembly for $285 wholesale which still seels like a rip off for this unit.
Same problem every time? Wheel came apart? Never a burnt motor? I would check gas pressures(overfiring). If unit is overfiring, it may cause the wheel to overheat, causing it to loose strength.
Also, some designs were just not very good. Usually they fix the problem at factory, and change the design of the components so that they will last longer than original ones. Take heil/tempstar for instance. Models that came out ten to fifteen years ago had problems with draft inducer motors, bearing, and wheels all the time. I know people that have to replace the inducer on these every two to three years. It also has a lot to do with the way the condensate drainage is achieved. If I were you, I would just keep an extra blower on hand. They also make repair kits for the wheel assembly(much cheaper than replacing motor and all).
Thanks for the input. I guess it makes sense. I will keep a copy of your reply for the next time I need service and have the pressure checked.
Also wrote the factory and am awaiting an answer although I will not hold my breath. Not much confidence in them.
I've had the same issue. The original owners replaced the inducer motor after 10 years; 6 years later the blower wheel failed (several vanes broke off which caused imbalance/banging), and just this week (4 years into the newest wheel) it failed as well, cracking right down the middle. Fortunately I'm able to purchase replacement wheels (without replacing the entire motor) for $80, but it's a lot of money for a piece of plastic. I'll also note to have pressure checked during the next routine service.
Checking pressures is always a good idea. However, these parts do fail regardless. Its kind of like anything mechanical. It may outlast the furnace, or it may fail in a couple of years. I can't count on my fingers and toes plus ten peoples fingers and toes how many draft inducers I've replaced(with no reason except, it just wore out). Some last longer than others. Think of it as a light bulb(a very expensive light bulb). You know its going to burn out, you just hope to get as many years out of it as you can. Draft inducers, and blower motors are very common failures in furnaces, just the nature of the beast.
Hi mygirlsdad. I understand that mechanical things do fail. What I can't accept is that the manufacturer does nothing to improve on the quality of his product. From what I have been able to determine, my inducer motor is used on Bryant, Carryer, and Payne furnaces. If as you indicate, you have replaced many of these inducers, I would hope that there is feedback to the manufacturer indicatiing the high rate of failure. I would think that a die cast impeller would not be much more expensive than the plastic version. But then, this might reduce the number of replacement units sold and I am sure the manufacturer would not like that. Anyway, thanks for your inputs. This is the first time I have used forum and I think it is a great resource for information.
You have found a great forum here. I havevnt found anything as helpful. I actually found this while looking for answers to a gas fireplace problem. Got addicted right away. Not only can you try to help folks, but you can get help also.
We all have our theory as to why certain munufactures don't upgrade parts(like you said, they want to sell parts). I think they tend to come out with a whole new furnace design after so many years, and then all of their effort is put toward that new design, and they just kind of forget about ugrading parts for the older furnace. Just a thought, we will probably never know.
Hope new inducer last for a long time.. Keep in mind that a furnace usually only has an average life span of fifteen to twenty years.
Inducer are not made by Carrier,byant,panyne,daynight,trane,york,heil,lenn ox and so on. They are made by only a few manufactors. They make them out of plastic because if they where out of metal they will rust out even faster do to the assed in the flue gas. I just look at it as a $$$$$ for the HVAC guy...
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My theory: blame it on global warming. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mygirlsdad77
That is correct. As an example I recently replaced a power vent on a Bradford & White hot water tank and called them to gripe about the cost. They said, sorry, but we don't make the part.Quote:
Originally Posted by greghvacguy
Awful lot of that going around these days. I'm okay with some stuff being outsourced, but when it crosses the line on our national survival I have a problem. Call me a pinhead or patriot if you like.
I have seen 2 styles/versions of this wheel, the older being white plastic and the newer being black plastic. I haven't seen a broken newer version as of yet, but certainly lots of the older version due to the composition being less durable. If you are getting the older type as a "new" replacement, chances are it has been sitting in supply inventory somewhere for quite a while. Has anyone encountered breakage of the newer type (black)?
This is the upgrade you were looking for. KC nailed it about possible old style being sold as new(it is new, or at least never been used) . Definitely something to look into, make sure you get the black one for next replacement.
Also, thanks kc, will put this in my notes.
Both of the ones that I replaced were of the newer version - they were black plastic. The latest one I installed was also black plastic.
Okay, so much for that... I still haven't seen one of the newer type break. Have you ever noticed a sulfuric odor when replacing one?Quote:
Originally Posted by woodymach
No, I did not notice any sulfur odor. As for the manufacturers improving the quality of their product - I don't think they really care. If they can get it to go past the warranty period, that is just fine for them. Considering the cost or replacing the unit, most people are just going to keep getting it repaired. This is not an item you keep on buying. How many furnaces does the average family buy during their lifetime? 2 - 3??
There must be something unusual that is causing these failures. I just performed a secondary heat exchanger replacement on a 398 last week, and it still had the vintage-1989 inducer wheel intact. The customer is the original purchaser of the unit, and my company installed it, so there are no mysteries or questions regarding the age of the parts. Do you, by chance, live in a coastal area? I'm not sure what impact salt air might have on the unit, but I would expect the effects would be more evident toward the metallic parts.
I live in the Chicago area. I had the house custom built and specified Bryant because of previous experience with them and my father-in-law was in heating and plumbing and considered them a good product. Unfortunately, I have had several problems with this unit and writing the factory appears to have no effect. Could just be a lemon.
Not much explanation from here. Except to say you have just had a run of bad luck. Can't really get to the source of the problem from here. You do have the furnace going again don't you?? If so, just hope it works for some time. And maybe think about getting into a newer model, with a long standing warranty.
Just a note to thank everyone that responded to my question/problem. As expected, I never did get a response from Bryant. As a bit of information, I was able to find a source for the blower only through the internet. I found it at Shortys HVAC for $37 including shipping which I think is a deal and they were really fast in shipping it.
That is a deal indeed! Still... something unusual. I did another 398 secondary h/x replacement today, this one from 1986! Still the original inducer wheel... have you ever had the gas input checked?
Next time I have the furnace serviced, I will have the pressure checked.
My bryant furnace comes on,and blow cold air for a very long time with out the main burner coming on.I would turn the thermostat to off,and return a hour later to turn it on.The furnace would come on and work fine,this problem have been going on for about a year and getting progressively worst.What could be the problem?
My bryant furnace comes on and blows cold air for a very long time with out the main burner coming on.I would turn the thermostat to off,and return a hour later to turn it on.The furnace would comeonand work fine,this problemhave been going on for about a year and getting progressively worst.What could be the problem?
Try cleaning the flame sensor.
That was done.Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by hvac1000
Exact model number?
My furnce is making a high pitch sound when blower comes on and then once in a while a grounding noise, sometimes the noise will be often. I have turned it down and it doesn't do it as much, could it be the blower or squirrel cage?
My furnace is making a high pitch noise and sometimes a grinding noise. Could it be the squirrel cage or blower itself?
kenchadak, please start your own post, you will get more responses this way.
I have a Carrier 58sta/stx and funny enough the nolise that came from my furnace sounds like... when we were kids and we used to put baseball playing cards in our spokes.. I discovered that fan wheel was imbalanced... I centered it... a few days later... I heard the noise again... then it went silent... the furnace itself is running correctly albeit the inducer motor is quite warm to touch... I also disccovered that part of the plastic wheel... the inner part that grips the shaft was broken... luckily enough I found a place that sells them for $18.00... and it is an easy fix... mind you... when I called the HVAC guys they said they would replaced the motor for a mere $800.00... I was glad to find forumns such as this or I could have been out some bigger bucks :)
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