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  • Dec 18, 2008, 09:28 PM
    Reggie18
    REEM inducer blower problems
    I have a REEM RGRA 07EMAEB fyrnace.

    The blower motor comes on but doesn't suck enough to close the pressure switch. My exhaust and intakes are free of obstructions have proper termination, proper amount of elbows and my ptrap is working properly and draining.

    I changed the inducer motor and pressure switch which changed nothing. My heat exchanger is not cracked nor leaking. I am confused why won't my inducer close the pressure switch?
  • Dec 18, 2008, 09:31 PM
    KC13

    Water or other blockage in switch hose?
  • Dec 18, 2008, 09:33 PM
    Reggie18
    Nope hose from blower to switch is free of water and pin holes
  • Dec 18, 2008, 09:40 PM
    KC13

    Try this: remove the exhaust from the inducer if it's not glued and run unit BRIEFLY to see if it works. Do the same with intake or burner box cover off.
  • Dec 18, 2008, 09:42 PM
    Reggie18

    I have already tried running the unit with the exhaust removed and the intake removed separately and together with no success.
  • Dec 18, 2008, 09:48 PM
    KC13

    Does the switch hose connect directly to the inducer housing? You mentioned that you replaced the inducer? Did you check the hose nipple on the housing for blockage?
  • Dec 18, 2008, 09:51 PM
    Reggie18

    Yes I verified the nipple on the inducer cassing and the nipple on the pressure switch all clear when checking my pressures I did so on the inducer cassing nipple then between the inducer and the pressure switch with an inline T I have a fluctuating -.5 to -.7'' instead of -1.3
  • Dec 18, 2008, 09:57 PM
    KC13

    Okay, garden-variety suggestions exhausted, time to start reaching. Is the inducer running at the proper speed? Check voltage to motor with inducer running-if you haven't already. Sounds like you have already given this more than the average college try.
  • Dec 18, 2008, 10:08 PM
    Reggie18

    Never thought of checking voltage... this motor has a 3 prong connector do I check between black and white?
  • Dec 18, 2008, 10:10 PM
    KC13

    Probably, the third line is probably a ground.
  • Dec 18, 2008, 10:11 PM
    Reggie18

    Actually the motor is grounded at the gas valve but ill check it out
  • Dec 18, 2008, 10:16 PM
    KC13

    What color is the third wire? It could be a two-speed motor. Perhaps it isn't running at the high-speed for some reason.
  • Dec 18, 2008, 10:19 PM
    Reggie18

    Black white and black
  • Dec 18, 2008, 10:24 PM
    KC13

    If motor has a label, look for rpm's-are two given?
  • Dec 19, 2008, 07:30 PM
    Reggie18
    actually 4 wires black, brown brown and white.
    White to black = 120.9 v
    brown to white = 5.7 v (both of them)

    So power is good

    No rating plate on blower but its only one speed I'm sure.

    I put high temp silicone around the heat exchager cover gasket between the plate and blower now I have -1" of succion so the furnace will usually turn on but as soon as I put the front pannel on, succion drops and flame goes out
  • Dec 19, 2008, 09:57 PM
    MarkwithaK

    Check the amp draw as well. You can be getting proper voltage but your amp draw could be off.
  • Dec 19, 2008, 11:52 PM
    KC13

    Black = line hot, white = neutral, brown/brown = capacitor. Okay, here's another reach. What are the chances that the pressure switch has been replaced at some point... and it's not the right one? Perhaps a call to your friendly neighborhood distributor could produce an OEM part number for your unit. They will want your model number.
  • Dec 21, 2008, 01:29 PM
    Reggie18
    Pressure switch is fine it has been replaced and was ordered using my distributor and the furnace model number... as for the amp check how manny amps should I be drawing? Written in blower?
  • Dec 21, 2008, 01:48 PM
    MarkwithaK

    Yup. The name plate on the motor will list it's amp draw.
  • Jan 7, 2009, 03:18 PM
    GGman
    Reggie,
    I have a Rheem Classic 90 plus 75k BTU. I am having the same problem as you. I am about to pull the blower out to check for a cracked heat exchanger. Replaced both pressure switch and draft unit. Does any one know what bad connection to Cap would do to fan speed. I suspect that is the problem but do not have enough knowledge of electric motor to make such a claim. BTW I did replace the Cap as well.
  • Jan 8, 2009, 04:06 PM
    Reggie18

    If by cap you mean the gasket the inducer blower mounts onto it will not affect the inducer blower speed. The problem is that if the seal isn't proper it will not be able to create enough succion in order to activate the pressure switch
  • Jan 8, 2009, 04:14 PM
    GGman

    Reggie,
    Sorry for the shorthand as such. I meant capacitor. This is required for a single phase induction motor. Creates a lag in the phase of the magnetic field of the windings. This allows it spin. Was wondering if a bad connection would cause a out of phase problem thus less RPM. BTW did you slove your problem yet?
  • Jan 8, 2009, 04:24 PM
    Reggie18

    Hmm.. you are talking about the inducer blower? The small blower in the top compartment? As I don't recall ever seeing a capacitor on the inducer on
    One of these models.
  • Jan 8, 2009, 04:28 PM
    GGman
    Yeah mine has the black and white wire plus two brown ones. The Cap is located in the blower section with two brown wires leading to opposite sides of the cap.
  • Jan 8, 2009, 04:37 PM
    Reggie18

    Yes you are right sorry that the model where they use the same capcitor... as far as I know the capacitor is not the problem as it is only used in the initial start up of the motor... umm when you pulled the inducer off did you have a look at the gasket? That was my problem and yes by replacing it I solved my problem
  • Jan 8, 2009, 05:20 PM
    GGman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Reggie18 View Post
    umm when you pulled the inducer off did you have a look at the gasket? That was my problem and yes by replacing it I solved my problem

    I do not suspect that this is my problem. "Background" Furnace is 10 yrs old. Bought the house fall 2007. Furnace worked fine. Problems started this fall on start up worked off and on. Replaced pressure switch. Nope. Replaced inducer motor redid seal with gasket maker. When reinstalling new motor. Blew shop vaccuum exhaust both ways through heat exchanger. Just a bit of soot. Air through drain hoses. Water get to pump through drain hoses and P trap. Nothing blocking exhaust. Cut the pipe in two to be sure. Visual check of the top part of xchanger. Just have to check bottom part. Little more work on my part. Any thoughts, plus where did you get your manometer to measure the vaccuum.
  • Jan 8, 2009, 05:24 PM
    KC13
    Excuse me, did you say something about soot?
  • Jan 8, 2009, 05:26 PM
    GGman

    Yeah in the exchanger furnace LPG
  • Jan 8, 2009, 05:35 PM
    KC13
    Does this model have one pressure switch, or two?
  • Jan 8, 2009, 05:37 PM
    GGman

    Two and it is the draft one failing to close. Tested by jumping switch and all else is okay.
  • Jan 8, 2009, 05:50 PM
    KC13
    Is this switch NO or NC?
  • Jan 8, 2009, 05:52 PM
    GGman

    No
  • Jan 8, 2009, 05:54 PM
    KC13
    Have you tried running the unit with the hose disconnected from this switch? If not, try it for a few minutes. What happens?
  • Jan 8, 2009, 05:57 PM
    Reggie18

    Running the unit without which hose the vacuum hose from the blower to the ps... that will do nothing

    My manometer was bought from my local supplier

    Soot? Hmm... unusual... well my only thought might be the bottom heat exchanger. You have manny small holes with baffles in them if there is water it means there is a bloccage. At the same time you might as well take all the baffles out to check for a blockage
  • Jan 8, 2009, 05:58 PM
    GGman

    The switch needs the vacuum to close it in order to run. Which hose this is not clear?
  • Jan 8, 2009, 06:02 PM
    GGman
    Could the blockage occurred over the summer. The front end of the xchanger is plastic and well mounted(gasket glue) to the metal part of the exchanger. Suspect it is brittle and does not like to be pried on. I seen the metal ends you are talking of. These simply pull out?
  • Jan 8, 2009, 06:03 PM
    KC13
    A restricted heat exchanger may allow the unit to function with only one switch hose connected. The excessive vacuum would transfer through the cross-over hose. That was my point.
  • Jan 8, 2009, 06:06 PM
    Reggie18

    If I remember correctly both switches are individual (one positive goes to heat exchanger cassing and other negative going to inducer)

    Yes there are good chances the cassing could be brittle and break

    And these baffles do simply pull out but be careful it is thin alluminium which bends easilly

    Do you have ac?
  • Jan 8, 2009, 06:15 PM
    GGman

    Reggie you are correct on the pressure switches. Can blow air or pass water to clean the baffles. I have AC. A frame coil over the exchanger but ac was not used this summer as we had a cool summer.
  • Jan 8, 2009, 06:25 PM
    Reggie18

    Yes air will most likelly work if its not a big bloccage and it shouldn't since you actually need speciall brushes which are expensive. If AC was not used than its unlikelly that bloccage occurred during summer unless you were very unlucky and humidity somehow created enough of a temp. change in order to loosen soot. Now when you talked about soot in the exchanger you meen primary (top) or secondary if the later inside or outside?>

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