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  • Sep 9, 2010, 07:05 AM
    Just Looking
    And yet another lateral thinking puzzle
    Deep in the forest was found the body of a man who was wearing only swimming trunks, snorkel and facemask. The nearest lake was 8 miles away and the sea was 100 miles away. How had he died?

    I'm new at this, so we'll see how it goes. I think it is a lot easier than Morgaine's train puzzle :)
  • Sep 9, 2010, 07:13 AM
    NeedKarma
    Mythbusters!
  • Sep 9, 2010, 07:13 AM
    Unknown008

    Was the man killed?

    Were the facemask and snorkel still on his face?

    Was his swimsuit cut at any place?

    Did the man have any weapon with him like a knife?
  • Sep 9, 2010, 08:00 AM
    Just Looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post
    Was the man killed? No

    Were the facemask and snorkel still on his face? Probably

    Was his swimsuit cut at any place? No, I don't think so.

    Did the man have any weapon with him like a knife? No

    I find myself second guessing how to answer some questions. Bear with me. :)
  • Sep 9, 2010, 08:42 AM
    adam_89

    I am just marking my place here, but I will not answer this one because I know the answer.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 08:45 AM
    Just Looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adam_89 View Post
    I am just marking my place here, but I will not answer this one because I know the answer.

    Darn. I was looking forward to you playing. :(
  • Sep 9, 2010, 08:55 AM
    Unknown008
    Hm...

    Did the man fell from the sky?

    Was there anything else with him like for example a parachute bag?

  • Sep 9, 2010, 09:01 AM
    Just Looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post
    Hm...

    Did the man fell from the sky? Yes

    Was there anything else with him like for example a parachute bag? No

    You might solve this before Morgaine gets a chance to play. Maybe Adam will have to look for a puzzle for her.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 09:10 AM
    Unknown008
    Ok, possible scenario.

    The man went at night to do some diving we don't want to know why. He flew over in a plane/helicopter/etc and jumped, thinking he was going to 'land' in the water, but instead, fell in the forest.

    Is that it? :)
  • Sep 9, 2010, 09:11 AM
    Just Looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post
    Ok, possible scenario.

    The man went at night to do some diving we don't want to know why. He flew over in a plane/helicopter/etc and jumped, thinking he was going to 'land' in the water, but instead, fell in the forest.

    Is that it? :)

    No. I think you'll need more questions.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 09:26 AM
    Unknown008
    Was the man's suit wet?

    Is it relevant that there is a lake 8 miles away?

    Is there any cliff nearby?

    Is there any mountain nearby?

  • Sep 9, 2010, 09:31 AM
    Just Looking
    Was the man's suit wet? Yes, it was at one time. May have dried out by the time he was found.

    Is it relevant that there is a lake 8 miles away? Yes

    Is there any cliff nearby? Irrelevant. (haha, I feel rude saying that)


    Is there any mountain nearby? Irrelevant.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 09:38 AM
    Unknown008
    Lol, it's good to know that something's irrelvant :)

    Ok, so, did the man get on a plane?

    Or a helicopter?

    Did he slip because of his wet feet and fell down down down in the forest?
  • Sep 9, 2010, 09:41 AM
    Just Looking
    Ok, so, did the man get on a plane? Technically no, he did not get on a plane. I'm trying not to mislead you here. :o

    Or a helicopter? No.

    Did he slip because of his wet feet and fell down down down in the forest? No.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 09:57 AM
    Unknown008
    Hm...

    Is it relevant how he got up in the sky?
  • Sep 9, 2010, 10:06 AM
    Just Looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post
    Hm...

    Is it relevant how he got up in the sky?

    Yes.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 10:16 AM
    Unknown008
    He climbed on a ladder attached to a flying vehicle?

    Did he get on the vehicle?

    Is the vehicle relevant?

    Did the vehicle fly high enough to avoid the trees?
  • Sep 9, 2010, 10:19 AM
    Just Looking
    He climbed on a ladder attached to a flying vehicle? No

    Did he get on the vehicle? I think I did mislead you. He somehow got on the vehicle. Try to figure out how.

    Is the vehicle relevant? Yes

    Did the vehicle fly high enough to avoid the trees? Yes.



    I need to get some work done but I'll check back in a while.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 10:52 AM
    Unknown008
    Does the vehicle has wings?

    Is the vehicle a seaplane?

    Is the man a secret agent? (:p)

  • Sep 9, 2010, 11:11 AM
    adam_89

    Oh I thought it was a helicopter. Maybe I am wrong on this one. Or maybe different versions. I will pm you J-Lo.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 11:21 AM
    Just Looking
    Does the vehicle has wings? Yes

    Is the vehicle a seaplane? I know I misled you. Let's say it's a plane. That why I said "technically, no". It was the way your question was worded.

    Is the man a secret agent? (:p)

    There's a man who leads a life of danger
    To everyone he meets he stays a stranger
    With every move he makes another chance he takes
    Odds are he won't live to see tomorrow

    Secret agent man, secret agent man
    They've given you a number and taken away your name

    Umm - no. :p
  • Sep 9, 2010, 11:49 AM
    Unknown008

    Oh, I understood it another way :o

    Okay, back on.

    Did the man have a relevant task to do at the lake?
    Does the man want to prove something by going to the lake?
    Is the plane with which he flew his?
    Did the plane (pilot) expect him?
  • Sep 9, 2010, 11:53 AM
    Just Looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post
    Oh, I understood it another way :o

    Sorry. I think you're on the right track now.

    Okay, back on.

    Did the man have a relevant task to do at the lake? Not really
    Does the man want to prove something by going to the lake? No
    Is the plane with which he flew his? No
    Did the plane (pilot) expect him? No
  • Sep 9, 2010, 12:04 PM
    Unknown008

    Hm..

    Did he climb on the plane unnoticed?
    Did someone in the plane notice him when they were over the forest?
    Did the plane rotate, so that the man could no longer hold on to the plane?
  • Sep 9, 2010, 12:10 PM
    Just Looking
    Did he climb on the plane unnoticed? No
    Did someone in the plane notice him when they were over the forest? No
    Did the plane rotate, so that the man could no longer hold on to the plane? No


    This is fun - don't you think? :D
  • Sep 9, 2010, 12:11 PM
    albear

    Did he suffocate?/lack of oxygen?
  • Sep 9, 2010, 12:13 PM
    Unknown008

    Yes it is! No's also help in eliminating possibilities :)

    So it seems he was killed then...

    Was the man captured by the person/people of the plane?
    Was he tied to the plane?
    Did the person/people push him when they were over the forest?

    EDIT: Okay, my last post of the day. See you later Bear and JLo :)
  • Sep 9, 2010, 12:15 PM
    Just Looking
    So it seems he was killed then...

    Was the man captured by the person/people of the plane? Not captured
    Was he tied to the plane? No
    Did the person/people push him when they were over the forest? No


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post
    EDIT: Okay, my last post of the day. See you later Bear and JLo :)

    Good night.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 12:19 PM
    adam_89

    He seems so close yet so far from this. I think he is thinking of he got onto the plane and was killed by the plane or someone on it.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 12:21 PM
    Just Looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adam_89 View Post
    He seems so close yet so far from this. I think he is thinking of he got onto the plane and was killed by the plane or someone on it.

    I know, but he is making progress. I'm glad he didn't guess it right off, and he's so fun to watch playing this.

    Okay, lunchtime here. :)
  • Sep 9, 2010, 12:27 PM
    adam_89

    Yea, I enjoy Unky's questions. They are helpful and some funny. Keep up the good work Unky.

    Have a good lunch
  • Sep 9, 2010, 04:00 PM
    morgaine300

    Two things:

    Now you know what it's like from this side. LOL. It can be very difficult answering things, figuring out how literally to take it, how they mean it isn't how you took it, will it be misleading. Then the questions out of the blue that you never thought about and are not sure are even relevant, but they might be. Some are obvious and easy, but some I think about for a long time.

    But you also see how terribly amusing it can be. :D

    As for finishing before Morgaine gets there, you have to remember Morgaine doesn't do mornings. (I don't know where you're at, but the time you posted this was morning for me. I've also had a bad day thus far and didn't get on here until later than usual.)

    I copied everything into a Wordpad file (trying to not really pay attention to what I was copying), and I'm going to try going back and seeing what I can come up with. But I do have other things I need to get done for the moment, so it will be a little while. But Unky's asleep, Adam never posts this late... I should be safe for the moment. ;)
  • Sep 9, 2010, 04:01 PM
    morgaine300

    P.S. You're not supposed to feel bad answering irrelevant. All answers are important.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 04:24 PM
    Just Looking

    I'm Pacific time, but I'm an early riser so I usually come on around 5:00 am for the first time... and then I usually wake up in the middle of the night and I'll also come in somewhere between midnight and 3:00 am.

    It has been fun doing this. Unky's such a sweetheart. I can't help but want to help him. I hope you have fun with this. I'll be looking forward to what you ask or conclude.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 04:41 PM
    jmjoseph
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Just Looking View Post
    I'm Pacific time, but I'm an early riser so I usually come on around 5:00 am for the first time ... and then I usually wake up in the middle of the night and I'll also come in somewhere between midnight and 3:00 am.

    It has been fun doing this. Unky's such a sweetheart. I can't help but want to help him. I hope you have fun with this. I'll be looking forward to what you ask or conclude.

    He's smart too. I have full confidence that he'll get it.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 04:43 PM
    morgaine300

    It's funny. 4 pages just seemed like a lot of questions and I started wondering if it was close to being solved. But now that I have them all listed out and am looking at them, I realize not a lot has been established yet. So I already have questions. I'll throw a bunch out, try to force myself to go get my stuff none, and pop back in later.

    He was in the lake prior to being in the plane, right?

    And he was in the forest after being on the plane?

    Is it relevant that the sea is 100 miles away?

    Did someone in the plane just spot him in the water while flying over?

    Was this plane a rescue vehicle?

    Even if not, did someone in the plane rescue him?

    Did he enter the plane under his own power?

    You never answered this: Did he die of some kind of suffocation/lack of oxygen?

    Was he dead before he was on the plane?

    Did he die on the plane?

    Did he die after arriving at the forest?

    Did the plane land in the forest? (Guess that would be difficult.)

    Did the plane crash in the forest?

    Is the plane in the forest at this point?

    Are there any other humans in the near vicinity (in the forest), dead or alive?

    Trust me, my head is full of a million more, but I think it wise to get some of these facts established first, so I'll stop.
  • Sep 9, 2010, 04:46 PM
    morgaine300

    Hmm, I just re-read about him falling out of the sky.

    Did he fall into the forest?

    Did he fall into the water?

    Was there a boat involved at all?
  • Sep 9, 2010, 04:49 PM
    Just Looking
    He was in the lake prior to being in the plane, right? Yes

    And he was in the forest after being on the plane? Yes

    Is it relevant that the sea is 100 miles away? It's relevant that water was a distance away, whether the sea or lake.

    Did someone in the plane just spot him in the water while flying over? No

    Was this plane a rescue vehicle? Yes

    Even if not, did someone in the plane rescue him? No

    Did he enter the plane under his own power? No

    You never answered this: Did he die of some kind of suffocation/lack of oxygen? Hmmm... I didn't see that. No.

    Was he dead before he was on the plane? No

    Did he die on the plane? No

    Did he die after arriving at the forest? Yes

    Did the plane land in the forest? (Guess that would be difficult.) No

    Did the plane crash in the forest? No

    Is the plane in the forest at this point? Not sure

    Are there any other humans in the near vicinity (in the forest), dead or alive? No

    Trust me, my head is full of a million more, but I think it wise to get some of these facts established first, so I'll stop. Well, it was quite an impressive list. :)
  • Sep 9, 2010, 04:50 PM
    Just Looking
    Did he fall into the forest? Yes

    Did he fall into the water? No

    Was there a boat involved at all? No
  • Sep 9, 2010, 04:54 PM
    Just Looking

    Was this plane a rescue vehicle? Yes

    I just asked someone else for their opinion on this and was told I should have said No. How's that for confusing? :o

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