Ask Me Help Desk - Lateral Thinking Puzzle

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Originally Posted by QLP

OK. The woman was the wife of one of the men. He comes home and finds her having a kinky time with a man in a bath full of ice-cubes. He pushes the bath tub out of the window. The bath hits a passerby killing him. The other man is killed but is still in the bath tub along with the wife (who might be dead or alive). The husband dies of a heart attack.

That's a very good version, but not it. But you are getting the right idea.

As for doing kinky things in a bathtub full of ice -- that's just outright sadistic. Ukk! I said ridiculous, not S&M. ;)

So, the woman was a man's wife then?

Ok, I need to differentiate the three men.

Man 1: Natural causes; Heart Attack.
Man 2: Murdered man.
Man 3: Accidental; sort of fell through a window

Was the wife also in the residential building?
Is Man 1 the one on the pavement?
Did the ice cubes cause the death of one of the men?
Were the ice cubes near to the window of the residential building?
Were the ice cubes with Man 3?
Was Man 3 the one living in the residential building?

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So, the woman was a man's wife then?

Yes.

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Ok, I need to differentiate the three men.
Man 1: Natural causes; Heart Attack.
Man 2: Murdered man.
Man 3: Accidental; sort of fell through a window

This is all correct. Exactly like I set up the summary.

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Was the wife also in the residential building?

Yes.

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Is Man 1 the one on the pavement?

No.

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Did the ice cubes cause the death of one of the men?

No.

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Were the ice cubes near to the window of the residential building?

The proximity to the window is not relevant. (I'm assuming you meant before they ended up on the pavement?)

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Were the ice cubes with Man 3?

Yes.

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Was Man 3 the one living in the residential building?

No.

Was man 1 the murderer?
Was man 2 having an affair with man 1's wife?

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Was man 1 the murderer?

Yes.

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Was man 2 having an affair with man 1's wife?

No.

Is Man 3 on the front door? :eek:

Was the ice cubes used by Man 3 to relieve some ache?

Was Man 3 leaning on the window when it broke?

So, the wife is in fact Man 1's wife?
Did the wife saw what happened?
Did she cause someone to die?

Is another building involved?
- Is it directly in front of the residential building?

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Is Man 3 on the front door? :eek:

No. :eek:

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Was the ice cubes used by Man 3 to relieve some ache?

No.

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Was Man 3 leaning on the window when it broke?

No.

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So, the wife is in fact Man 1's wife?

Yes.

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Did the wife saw what happened?

Yes.

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Did she cause someone to die?

No.

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Is another building involved?

No.

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- Is it directly in front of the residential building?

N/A

Did Man 1 intend to kill Man 2?
Did Man 1 intend to kill Man 3?

Is Man 3 hanging somewhere on the building?
- Is he on a balcony on a lower storey of the building?

Did Man 3 try to save Man 2? Vice versa?

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Did Man 1 intend to kill Man 2?

Yes.

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Did Man 1 intend to kill Man 3?

No.

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Is Man 3 hanging somewhere on the building?
- Is he on a balcony on a lower storey of the building?

No.

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Did Man 3 try to save Man 2? Vice versa?

No.

Did man 1 accidentally kill man 3?
Did man 2 accidentally kill man 3?
Did man 3 accidentally kill himself?
Is man to the man on the pavement?

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Did the woman accidentally kill man 3?

I'll say no.

Is man to the man on the pavement?

I'll say yes, from what have been asked and answered.

It is right morgaine?

I'd like to think about some more questions right now, but I have to go. I'll be back in about 2~3 hours.

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Originally Posted by Unknown008

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Did the woman accidently kill man 3?

I'll say no.

Is man 2 the man on the pavement?

I'll say yes, from what have been asked and answered.

It is right morgaine?

I'd like to think about some more questions right now, but I have to go. I'll be back in about 2~3 hours.

Yeh I realised the woman didn't cause the death so edited that out just before I saw your post. Sorry if that confuses anyone.

My brain hurts lol.

All these men are making my brain hurt.

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Did man 1 accidentally kill man 3?

Yes.

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Did man 2 accidentally kill man 3?

No.

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Did man 3 accidentally kill himself?

No.

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Is man to the man on the pavement?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by QLP

My brain hurts lol.

Didn't I just say that? :eek:

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Did the woman accidentally kill man 3? I'll say no.

No. (Although I think you figured out it was already established she didn't cause any of the deaths.)

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Is man to the man on the pavement? I'll say yes, from what have been asked and answered.

Yes, as we've already established this was not 1 or 3.

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I'd like to think about some more questions right now, but I have to go. I'll be back in about 2~3 hours.

With any luck, I'll be asleep. But you should be into evening when I get up again. (I think.)

So man 1 murdered man 2, who is on the pavement. So he probably pushed him out of the window.
Man 1 accidentally killed man 3
Man 1 died of a heart attack and is in the apartment.
Man 3 disappeared in a puff of smoke and was replaced by some ice-cubes.
Mmm - guessing not quite there yet.

Summary #2:

Three men die. On the pavement are pieces of ice and broken glass.

Natural causes man (1):
Or are one or more of natural causes? Yes.
Did one man get a heart attack? Yes
Was the woman any of the men's wife or girlfriend or mother? Yes.
So, the woman was a man's wife then? Yes
Is Man 1 the one on the pavement? No.
Was man 1 the murderer? Yes.
So, the wife is in fact Man 1's wife? Yes.
Did Man 1 intend to kill Man 2? Yes
Did Man 1 intend to kill Man 3? No.
Did man 1 accidentally kill man 3? Yes.

Murdered man (2):
- Are the two others on the pavement? One is
Are there any murders involved? Yes.
One man was murdered. Was he shot? Stabbed? Strangled? Suffocated? Drowned? Poisoned? Thrown out the window? No to all.
Hit over the head? No but you're sorta lukewarm.
Was man 2 having an affair with man 1's wife? No.
Did Man 1 intend to kill Man 2? Yes
Did Man 3 try to save Man 2? Vice versa? No.
Did man 2 accidentally kill man 3? No
Is man to the man on the pavement? Yes.

Accident man (3):
- Are the two others on the pavement? One is. The other... he's not "on the pavement."
Is the third man dead in a car? Or some other vehicle? No.
We know one is natural causes and one is a murder. Is the third a murder? Natural causes? No.
Accidental? We'll call that a yes.
Did another man fall through the window of the building? Well.... yeah sorta.
If so, did he land on a vehicle? No.
If so, did that cause the third death? Sorta.
You were a little iffy on the "fall" out of the window. Was he pushed? Sorta.
Did he jump? No
I'm still wondering where the third body is. Is it relevant? It's very relevant.
Did he fall out of the window into or onto something? Yeah, but not like how you're trying to think of it.
Did he fall onto the porte-cochere of a building? No, but near (if it has one).
Did he fall into a trash bin? No.
Did he fall on the street-side of the building? On the backside of the building? No.
Is it even this third body I'm wondering about that "fell" out of the window? Yes.
Is the one that fell the one on the pavement? No.
Were the ice cubes with Man 3? Yes.
Was Man 3 the one living in the residential building? No.
Is Man 3 on the front door? No.
Was the ice cubes used by Man 3 to relieve some ache? No.
Was Man 3 leaning on the window when it broke? No
Did Man 1 intend to kill Man 3? No.
Is Man 3 hanging somewhere on the building?
- Is he on a balcony on a lower storey of the building? No.
Did Man 3 try to save Man 2? Vice versa? No.
Did man 1 accidentally kill man 3? Yes.
Did man 2 accidentally kill man 3? No
Did man 3 accidentally kill himself? No
Did the woman accidentally kill man 3? No.

Other stuff:
Are the men related? No.
Are their ages relevant? No.
Are the men also on the pavement? All of them, no.
Do at least two of them know each other? No.
Are all three deaths accidental? No.
Is it relevant what the men do for employment? No.
Are all the three men within 10 m radius from each other? Yes.
Does one man live in the residential building? Yes.
Two? All of them? Unknown, so irrelevant.
Are there any other relevant persons besides the three men involved?
- Women? Yes.
- Men? No.
Did they all die about the same time? Yes.
Did a frozen corpse covered in ice somehow end up going out of the window and killing another person? No, but you have some interesting ideas there.
Did someone die of shock because they found a frozen corpse? No.
Did anyone slip on the ice and die? No.
Was the woman a maid bringing in the ice? Was she the murderer? No and no.
Was the wife also in the residential building? Yes.
Did the ice cubes cause the death of one of the men? No.
Did the wife saw what happened? Yes.
Did she cause someone to die? No.

Is one of the man dead in a building on a high storey? That's actually two questions. Yes there's a man dead in a building. As for high - high enough but not too high.

Did the glass come from a car? A bottle or bottles? No and no.
A window of a building? Yes.
Is it relevant what type of building is involved? Either in the number of stories? Or the function of the building, such as hospital? Yes it's relevant.
Is the building residential? Yes.
Was it a hospital? Commercial? Governmental? A prison? No.
Is another building involved? No.

Is the size of the ice pieces relevant? Yes.
Did it involve an ice bucket? No.
Are the pieces of ice bigger than tennis balls? No.
Was the ice in the building before it got crushed? Who said it got crushed? But yes.
- Was the ice initially an ice sculpture? No.
Are we talking about ice cubes? Yes.
Or did you confirm crushed ice? I'm sure some got crushed and some not.
Did the ice cubes come from a drink? Is an ice vending machine involved? Is a truck carrying ice cubes involved? No to all.
Is the purpose of the ice cubes relevant? It's relevant where they came from, not in their use.
Was the ice being used to preserve one of the dead bodies? No.
Was it just a bag of ice, or a tray of ice, Either.
Or a crate of ice? No.
Were the ice cubes near to the window of the residential building? The proximity to the window is not relevant.

Was it winter? Was there snow? Hail? Irrelevant.
Is a manhole involved? No.
Ooh was it anything to do with cryogenics? No

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So man 1 murdered man 2, who is on the pavement. So he probably pushed him out of the window.

No he didn't. :D

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Man 1 accidentally killed man 3
Man 1 died of a heart attack and is in the apartment.

Both correct.

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Man 3 disappeared in a puff of smoke and was replaced by some ice-cubes.
Mmm - guessing not quite there yet.

Considering I'm a gamer and also watch a lot of fantasy, I don't see that as being too far-fetched. :p

Actually, I've not done one of these, but there are some of these puzzles that include impossible things like magic and such. I'll have to eventually try one of those.

That was the longest most detailed summary I have ever seen. I am impressed.