I missed this earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
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I missed this earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
I think you missed #793.
Do you know I wanted to go back to the actual posts to see something (not trusting what I copied to my wordpad file) and didn't even know where it began. Anal me did not write the post this started in! (711 by the way) This has gotten long.
So in his spoken reply, he said a number (or numbers) and also said something else?[/QUOTE]
That's correct. He said a number and other words.
OK, some more things to clarify, and then hopefully I can get back to my other questions. This is stuff I've been looking at:
I've been under the impression that the written part was the truth, but you just answered that it needs clarified.Quote:
Did he tell the lie, and tell the truth at the same time? i.e. he only said one thing and that was a lie and the truth both? Yes.
Was it the written answer that was misleading vs the spoken answer? No
He wrote something, and this was the truth. Needs clarified.
He's told a lie and a truth. We know the spoken part was a lie. I also asked if it was the written answer that was misleading and you said no.
Now, I'm taking that to mean then the written answer was the truth if that was not the misleading statement. You're saying this isn't quite correct? And needs clarified?
Then back up to that top question. I asked if this was at the same time, as in, he said "one thing" and it was both the truth and a lie. Meaning a) you took "said" literally and that the spoken part is both truth and lie. Or b) it wasn't "one thing" cause there was a spoken and a written. Somehow this is creating a conflict in my mind.
Questions that might clear it up depending on the answer:
Did the spoken part contain both truth and lie?
Did the written part contain both truth and lie?
Was there more than one truth?
Was there more than one lie?
Is it relevant what this paper was he wrote on?
You said the recruiter didn't look at the writing.
But did the recruiter take the paper (and just not look at it)?
Was the paper going to go to someone else (some 3rd party)?
Did he state his age relative to something else? (For example, I'm 2 years older than the requirement, or I'm a year younger than my brother.)
OK, some more things to clarify, and then hopefully I can get back to my other questions. This is stuff I've been looking at:
I've been under the impression that the written part was the truth, but you just answered that it needs clarified.
He's told a lie and a truth. We know the spoken part was a lie. I also asked if it was the written answer that was misleading and you said no.
Now, I'm taking that to mean then the written answer was the truth if that was not the misleading statement. You're saying this isn't quite correct? Right - the written part was neither truth or lie, but was used to imply. And needs clarified? I think it is now clarified by your answers below.
Then back up to that top question. I asked if this was at the same time, as in, he said "one thing" and it was both the truth and a lie. Meaning a) you took "said" literally and that the spoken part is both truth and lie. Or b) it wasn't "one thing" cause there was a spoken and a written. Somehow this is creating a conflict in my mind.
Questions that might clear it up depending on the answer:
Did the spoken part contain both truth and lie? Yes, the spoken part was intentionally a lie and was technically the truth.
Did the written part contain both truth and lie? Goes back to this: This is a tricky one. The written part does not indicate or imply his age, but is used to imply it. I know that is confusing, but you will get the gist when you figure this out.
Was there more than one truth? No
Was there more than one lie? No
Is it relevant what this paper was he wrote on? I think it would help you to know more about the paper.
You said the recruiter didn't look at the writing. Correct
But did the recruiter take the paper (and just not look at it)? No
Was the paper going to go to someone else (some 3rd party)? No
Did he state his age relative to something else? (For example, I'm 2 years older than the requirement, or I'm a year younger than my brother.) No
Was the piece of paper his, and not for the officer?
Is it relevant by how old his lie makes him be? (ie is it relevant that he could be taken as being older by 1 year, 2 years, etc)
Is he writing numbers on the piece of paper?
- Letters?
- Tally?
- Other symbols to count?
So, what he is writing down is not what he is saying. Right?
Was the piece of paper his, and not for the officer? He was not going to give it to anyone.
Is it relevant by how old his lie makes him be? (ie is it relevant that he could be taken as being older by 1 year, 2 years, etc) Yes
Is he writing numbers on the piece of paper? yes
- Letters? No
- Tally? No
- Other symbols to count? No
So, what he is writing down is not what he is saying. Right? What he wrote down is not exactly what he said.
So the guy just kept the paper for himself?
So, he spoke something that was both truth and lie. He wrote something entirely different that was neither truth nor lie, but somehow helped imply something in what he said, but perhaps was not deceptive in and of itself? This means the "truth" in the scenario is a spoken one, and not the written part, correct? (Cause that confused the heck out of me.)
All correct?
Since you said the truth was not about his age, it must have been about the other words he spoke truthfully which helped with the deception?
I think I've been confused for a while cause I thought you answered something early on differently, but there it is in black and white. Big waste of time. But I think I get the "gist" of how it all came across, but now just have to figure out what it was.
OK, need to make a quick run to the store (late, I know) and I'll see what's happening when I return.
Is he writing numbers on the piece of paper? Yes. - Doh, I don't think anyone ever bothered to ask this before.
Is what he wrote down somewhat similar to what he said? (You said "not exactly.")
So the guy just kept the paper for himself? Yes
So, he spoke something that was both truth and lie. Yes He wrote something entirely different that was neither truth nor lie, but somehow helped imply something in what he said, but perhaps was not deceptive in and of itself? This means the "truth" in the scenario is a spoken one, and not the written part, correct? (Cause that confused the heck out of me.) Yes, the spoken part is the truth and the lie. The written part is in itself neither truth or a lie.
All correct? Yes
Since you said the truth was not about his age, it must have been about the other words he spoke truthfully which helped with the deception? Yes
I think I've been confused for a while cause I thought you answered something early on differently, but there it is in black and white. Big waste of time. But I think I get the "gist" of how it all came across, but now just have to figure out what it was.
I've read my answers a few times and haven't found a blooper yet. There are some answers that were quite literal that may have confused you, but once you figure this out they are correct. I'll go double check again, though.
Well, I need to ask this then:
Does his lie make him older by a year?
- Two years?
- Three years?
- More!
Did the number he wrote include other symbols like '.', '/', etc?
- Or just plain numbers?
- With spacing (eg. 641 684 643)? (as opposed to 6384164)
- Does it matter?
- Is it relevant to know with what he is writing?
Well, I need to ask this then:
Does his lie make him older by a year? Only relevant that it makes him older, but we don't know his real age. I think 1-2 years tops.
- Two years?
- Three years?
- More!
Did the number he wrote include other symbols like '.', '/', etc? No
- Or just plain numbers? Yes
- With spacing (eg. 641 684 643)? (as opposed to 6384164) No spacing
- Does it matter? Yes
- Is it relevant to know with what he is writing? Sorry - misread this. No - it doesn't matter what he wrote with.
Is he writing numbers on the piece of paper? Yes. - Doh, I don't think anyone ever bothered to ask this before.
Is what he wrote down somewhat similar to what he said? (You said "not exactly.") Yes, there's something in common.
Is there something about reading the numbers in the other way?
(For example, I write 654 but read 456?)
I meant to comment on this earlier and didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Looking
I checked all my answers and feel they are fine. What is confusing are questions that refer to "his age". Since he lied, it was hard to answer these at times.
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by Unknown008
I didn't mean you. The real truth is I'm not even sure if anything you said is off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Looking
No, first I asked if the truth he told was about his age, you said no, and somewhere I got stuck in my head that you said yes. Entirely my fault, but sure made a difference!
And once Unky brought up the writing thing, for some reason I got it into my head that the paper was the truth one, and the spoken the lie. Despite having specifically asked earlier if what he said all at one time was both truth and lie. I was tying to make sure the scenario statement wasn't being deceptive itself. (I think I covered that pretty thoroughly. :D)
For the moment I'm stuck. But I've got some stuff to do and hopefully will think of something to ask while I'm doing it.
Did the recruiter give him the piece of paper to write on?
Did he already have the paper with him?
Even though it wasn't a "form," was it still something official?
Did he make (spoken) reference to what he wrote down?
If so, was that reference somehow how he was "technically" telling the truth?
Did he read the paper to the man?
Could the recruiter read?
No, first I asked if the truth he told was about his age, you said no, and somewhere I got stuck in my head that you said yes. Entirely my fault, but sure made a difference!
This answer is deceptive in a way. While No is correct, one would think it was about his age if they heard what he said. Maybe that is obvious, but I thought it might make things clearer.
Did the recruiter give him the piece of paper to write on? No
Did he already have the paper with him? Yes
Even though it wasn't a "form," was it still something official? No
Did he make (spoken) reference to what he wrote down? Yes
If so, was that reference somehow how he was "technically" telling the truth? Yes
Did he read the paper to the man? No
Could the recruiter read? Yes, I assume so. Irrelevant really.
I really have no idea now... :(
He scribbles some numbers on a piece of paper, and he says something which is true, but a lie. Lie in the sense that it is not his real age, but true in some other way...
Did he make reference to someone he knew?
Did he try to pass himself for another person?
Is it relevant the number of digits he wrote down?
- If so, did he write two digits? 3? 4? 5? 6?
Was the piece of paper his birth certificate?
A letter from his mother?
A note from his doctor?
Did the paper belong to him?
Is the "lie" part actually not his age, but his identity?
He scribbles some numbers on a piece of paper, and he says something which is true, but a lie. Lie in the sense that it is not his real age, but true in some other way... Right. What he says about his age is a lie, but because of what he wrote on the paper what he says is actually a truth. What he says therefore has 2 different meanings.
Did he make reference to someone he knew? No
Did he try to pass himself for another person? No
Is it relevant the number of digits he wrote down? Yes
- If so, did he write two digits? Yes 3? 4? 5? 6? No to the rest.
Was the piece of paper his birth certificate? No
A letter from his mother? No
A note from his doctor? No
Did the paper belong to him? Yes, it's just a piece of paper.
Is the "lie" part actually not his age, but his identity? No
I have to slow down in my reading. I read your first question as, "Is it relevant the digits he wrote down?" The number he writes down is relevant, and the only reason the number of digits is relevant is in determining what that number is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Looking
Well, all I can think about a two digit number is: the year, the date or the month...
Is this number related to a year? A date?
No. Just a number. Try to narrow down the number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown008
Do I have to ask all the 100 2 digit numbers? :eek:
Does the number contain a:
0?
1?
2?
3?
4?
5?
6?
7?
8?
9?
That was a clever way to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown008
Ok, now is the number:
18?
81?
Ok, now is the number:
18? yes
81? no
Now, that surely means 18 years... but then, I'm still confused as to what he might have said :(
Maybe it's because I don't use English often enough :(
I'll have to think more about it.
I hope it's not a language barrier, but I don't think it is. You've had some great questions and are closing in on this. I have to go into a meeting, and I know it's late for you. I'll check back later to see if you posted anything. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown008
I'm going to sleep now, yes. I'll be trying to think about this :)
Got another student cancel so I get to look at this a bit. 'Course it took a while to go through the new questions.
No, actually, you just gave a clue away. It might be obvious to you, but that the truth would "seem to be an age if they heard what he said" is not obvious. The "truth" part could have been anything, and also really the truth, and not necessarily something that would sound like the truth. Yes, it's obvious there's a deception, but that little detail is not obvious.Quote:
No, first I asked if the truth he told was about his age, you said no, and somewhere I got stuck in my head that you said yes. Entirely my fault, but sure made a difference!
This answer is deceptive in a way. While No is correct, one would think it was about his age if they heard what he said. Maybe that is obvious, but I thought it might make things clearer.
Don't know when this takes place, but the idea of assuming everyone can read is a relatively new one. ;)Quote:
Could the recruiter read? Yes, I assume so. Irrelevant really.
So, what he said had a lie, and the truth part was actually technically truthful, but in combination with the lie and the piece of paper, came off sounding like the lie was true? Is that the general idea? (You don't need to get technical - just is that the general idea?)
Is the 18 the age he wanted the recruiter to believe he was?
(You know, you really cheated on that. In fact, I had it in my head that he didn't write an age. Of course, looking back, you only said he didn't write "his" age, not "an" age.)
Does this mean he stated "an" age and not "his" age?Quote:
Did he actually state his age as a number of years? Yes-ish
Did he state the number 18?
So, what he said had a lie, and the truth part was actually technically truthful, but in combination with the lie and the piece of paper, came off sounding like the lie was true? Is that the general idea? (You don't need to get technical - just is that the general idea?) Yes (but I like to get technical :p)
Is the 18 the age he wanted the recruiter to believe he was? He wanted the recruiter to believe he was qualified for which he had to be at least 18.
(You know, you really cheated on that. In fact, I had it in my head that he didn't write an age. Of course, looking back, you only said he didn't write "his" age, not "an" age.) Well, there we get back to semantics. It wasn't his age. Plus, it was just a number he wrote. This was shortly after we had talked about how much to give away.
Does this mean he stated "an" age and not "his" age? It was all in how he stated it.
Did he state the number 18? Yes, and it's been established he said the number plus other words.
I feel like we are running out of time to solve this so I need to give more info in my answers, like the one directly above. :o
Oh, I wasn't commenting on how you answered it. I see that you never answered it incorrectly. I just didn't "catch it." The whole puzzle is deceiving, and I imagine difficult to answer from your side, like how literally to take things, etc. I really don't like too much being given away, especially early into the puzzle.Quote:
(You know, you really cheated on that. In fact, I had it in my head that he didn't write an age. Of course, looking back, you only said he didn't write "his" age, not "an" age.) Well, there we get back to semantics. It wasn't his age. Plus, it was just a number he wrote. This was shortly after we had talked about how much to give away.
But you're right that we're running out of time. Guess you didn't expect this to take so long. :p Doesn't help that I got caught up with some stuff after work and couldn't get back to this.
I guess it's just a matter of figuring out what it was he said besides the 18, how he said it, and what the reference to the paper was. We've kind of got the idea of what happened, just not the detail of what he said. Do you think I'm right on this? That we've got the idea and just need to come up with exactly what he said?
And I can't think of anything really tricky, other than something simple like "I wrote 18 on this piece of paper, and that is how old I am." Which is dumb. (It fulfills the requirements that we've established, but it's still dumb.) I guess I'm trying to take the idea in that dumb statement and find a way to say it in a really good, deceptive sort of way.
Well, I'll think upon it. Maybe Unky will have an idea. I don't even know what to ask, unless something I said above is incorrect. I would say... if you want to give some hints, go ahead. If you need to get to bed or you too busy with last-minute packing or whatever, just give it away. Do whatever you need to do.
And if I don't have time before you take off, I'll say now to have yourself a good wedding and a wonderfully terrific honeymoon. And I hope new hubby keeps you busy enough that you're not tempted to "sneak on" and see what's going on. :D
Okay, stupid guess--but does he just say "I am 18"--but means the number on the paper (his number in line or something) and not his age? So he's telling the truth when he says he's 18--just lying that he's 18 years of age.
Haha, thanks for the well wishes. I'm sure I won't be coming on here for the next few weeks. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
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