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  • Aug 13, 2010, 11:28 PM
    morgaine300

    I missed all the fun. For you math haters, the wine puzzle wasn't really meant to be a math puzzle. I figured it out just by sort of picturing it in my head. Now I grant you, I'm not sure that I could actually explain the "why" part that way, but I knew it was equal fairly quickly. My brother did it in his head the same way, without all the math. Now both our "instincts" wanted to get it wrong, but then we got it once we thought about it just a bit.

    (And yes, evaporation and all that rot was just complicating the puzzle. It wasn't really a chemical experiment. Alty had the right idea of a better chemical experiment. :D)
  • Aug 13, 2010, 11:32 PM
    Just Looking

    It's KP's fault. :o

    Okay, on that note, I'm going to bed.
  • Aug 13, 2010, 11:34 PM
    morgaine300

    And the hole one was silly. You've definitely had two much wine.
  • Aug 13, 2010, 11:36 PM
    Just Looking

    The funny thing is I googled drinking riddles, just to keep with the theme. That was the riddle that came up first... and it made me giggle. :p
  • Aug 13, 2010, 11:36 PM
    morgaine300
    I was once alive but now I am dead,
    Black as night and white as silk,
    Though I am dead I still have breath of fire.
    What am I?

    Did we do this one? I'm getting confused cause I'm getting a bunch of these from another forum and I can't remember whether this was done or I just remember seeing it at the other place.
  • Aug 13, 2010, 11:53 PM
    kp2171
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Just Looking View Post
    Okay, either it is too late and my one glass of wine did me in (not unusual), or you have a slight math error.

    soooo entirely possible after my maddening day... and I do

    I'm going to approach this without looking at my last answers...

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Just Looking View Post
    I worked it out as follows:

    You start with 100 ml of white and 100 ml of red.
    5 ml of white is moved to the red, so you now have 95 ml of white, and 100 ml of red with 5 ml of white added..

    this means you now have a "red" with 95.238% red composition...

    Quote:

    If you take 5 mil of this mix, 4.762 ml (=100/105*5) will be red and .238 (=5/105*5) ml will be white. This gets added to the 95 ml of white.
    I didn't agree with this at first, but I think I have a sticky number pad key... my %s were completely off (a little) three out of four times... I agree with you here... 4.762 mL of the aliquot will be red...

    Quote:

    The original white is now (95 ml+ .238 ml) 95.238 ml white and 4.762 ml red.
    yep. 95.238 white. Agreed. One of two critical numbers agreed upon.

    Quote:

    The red mixture is now (100 ml-4.762 ml) 95.238 ml red and (5 ml-.238ml) 4.762 ml white.
    the red is now 95 mLs pure red with 5 mLs mixed mostly white aliquot added on, that being 4.762 white and 0.238 red... which means a total volume of 100 mL and it being 95.238 red...

    which, is essentially tied.

    I give up.

    this can't be answered without the math. My sticky keypad and lack of attention missed this.

    JL gets the prize.
  • Aug 14, 2010, 07:19 AM
    Unknown008
    Sorry morgaine... I was very very busy yesterday with homework. In simpler terms:

    Say you take 5 'beads' from the white whine and put in the red wine glass and stir. The 5 white beads get distributed in the red wine. You take the same amount of beads, from the red mixture. You find that it is more likely that you end up with 4 red and 1 white beads. Result, you have 4 'foreign' beads in either glass.

    (You cannot take 5 red beads because you ought to have at least some white [since all the white liquid is evenly distributed in the red wine], and the most likely between having 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 is obviously 1)
  • Aug 14, 2010, 07:29 AM
    cdad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by morgaine300 View Post
    I was once alive but now I am dead,
    Black as night and white as silk,
    Though I am dead I still have breath of fire.
    What am I?

    Did we do this one? I'm getting confused cause I'm getting a bunch of these from another forum and I can't remember whether this was done or I just remember seeing it at the other place.

    Sounds like a ember.
  • Aug 14, 2010, 03:29 PM
    morgaine300

    Someone on the group where I got the wine puzzle from used the bead example. Seemed a lot of people thought he was nuts, but it made sense to me. (I've noticed there's some people on that group who like to make everything way over complicated. One guy went off on a whole paragraph about the color of the glasses. Huh? There was no color of the glasses.)

    As for the charcoal/ember -- I think that is right. Um... sorry, but I realized after I posted it that I'd never seen the solution posted. (Everyone was posting a million riddles at once and many of them sort of got lost in the crowd.) But I always thought it was charcoal. OK, too easy.
  • Aug 14, 2010, 09:04 PM
    Unknown008
    Comment on morgaine300's post
    In fact, on my first reading, there was mention of red wine, then white glass then red glass, etc. I supposed the riddle was reproduced in such a way that some words were removed to make it shorter to type.
  • Aug 16, 2010, 07:59 AM
    adam_89

    There was a detective, he was called in for a murder, when he reached the library, there was the assistant, the detective asked him what happened, the assistant said "well, I was locking the front door and my boss had an important paper and then a "guest" came over and shot him. The man with the gun fled from the scene and the paper was in my boss's hand so, I took it and hid it, but the gunman's partner struck me in the head and knocked me out. "Do you know where you hid the paper?" asked the detective. "Yes, in that shelf inside a red book exactly between pages 77 and 78." As the detective saw the boss dead on the desk, the detective soon realized the assistant was lying. How did he know?
  • Aug 16, 2010, 08:04 AM
    Unknown008

    This is... the one with the yes/no question, right?

    Oh well...

    Was there something else in the boss's hand?
  • Aug 16, 2010, 08:09 AM
    adam_89
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post
    This is... the one with the yes/no question, right?

    Oh well...

    Was there something else in the boss's hand?

    Hey Unky, I don't think this is really a yes or no riddle but I guess I could answer questions for you but I don't know if you could get the answer from asking questions like that but we can try if you want.

    So if you wish, No
  • Aug 16, 2010, 08:26 AM
    Unknown008

    Oh, I thought so... It's just guessing until we get the answer then...

    The boss wasn't killed with a gun, but something else.
  • Aug 16, 2010, 08:28 AM
    adam_89

    No, he was killed with the gun.
  • Aug 16, 2010, 08:30 AM
    adam_89

    Well, Unky, I actually can't answer most of these questions because since the guy was lying, I don't know what exactly he was lying about so I don't know what is yes and what is no. There is something that the assistant said that made the detective realize he was lying.
  • Aug 16, 2010, 08:48 AM
    Unknown008

    It could be about the locking the front door... the boss couldn't be in the library if it was being closed?
  • Aug 16, 2010, 08:51 AM
    adam_89

    Nope, not it
  • Aug 16, 2010, 09:05 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adam_89 View Post
    ...exactly between pages 77 and 78."

    This. :)
  • Aug 16, 2010, 09:09 AM
    Unknown008

    Well, the whole thing is suspicious... only thing that I think remains are:

    The assistant first said 'a' guest, then he said there was apartner.
    The assistant had the time to take, hide, and look at what page he hid the paper in the presence of the gunman's partner.

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