Going off my favorite joke... is the stick a boomerang? No.
And what's the joke? Someone throws one and thinks it "doesn't work" cause it keeps coming back?
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Going off my favorite joke... is the stick a boomerang? No.
And what's the joke? Someone throws one and thinks it "doesn't work" cause it keeps coming back?
Was the stick thrown?
- Held in the hand at one end?
- Held at the middle?
- Held by both hands?
Welcome back, busy person. :) No, it's not solved yet.
Was the stick thrown? No.
- Held in the hand at one end? Yes.
- Held at the middle? No.
- Held by both hands? No.
Is the stick waved in the air at any point by the girl?
Is the stick used as a support for something?
Is the stick used to control something? (I don't know, like the game where you control the direction of a wheel or some other thing)
Is the stick waved in the air at any point by the girl? Yes.
Is the stick used as a support for something? No.
Is the stick used to control something? (I don't know, like the game where you control the direction of a wheel or some other thing) No.
Was the man a magician?
Did the girl want to make a trick with the stick but didn't know how to do it, so, she thought it was broken?
Was the man a magician? No. (Already asked :))
Did the girl want to make a trick with the stick but didn't know how to do it, so, she thought it was broken? Not like you mean. (She may have thought it was a "trick," but I don't think so.)
Are there any moving parts on the stick?
Is the average real person likely to have ever seen such a stick?
If so are they likely to have personally used it?
Is a real person with some kind of professional skill likely to have used such a stick?
Does such a stick exist in real life?
What do you call a boomerang that doesn't come back?Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
A stick.
(it kind of ruins it when you're expecting the answer. It's the very idea that it's kind of obvious that startles laughter out of people)
Are there any moving parts on the stick? No.
Is the average real person likely to have ever seen such a stick? I would think so.
If so are they likely to have personally used it? No.
Is a real person with some kind of professional skill likely to have used such a stick? Yes.
Does such a stick exist in real life? Yes.
(Whole puzzle is real life.)
The smiling man handed the little girl a stick, and after a minute or two she exclaimed "It's broken!" even though the stick was whole and not visibly broken in any way.
Stick:
Was the stick shorter than an ordinary pencil? No.
Did the little girl think the stick was supposed to be a magic wand? Of sorts, yes.
A broomstick? No.
Was the expression about 'it's broken' really about the stick? Yes.
Is the stick made of wood? Yes.
Was the stick really broken? No.
Is this stick a simple branch? No.
Is this stick man made? Yes.
Does it have joints that allow the stick to bend? No.
Can the stick be 'separated' into two parts? No.
Is the stick usually used as a walking stick/cane? No.
Was the stick physically broken even though it appeared not to be? No.
Was the stick functionally broken? i.e. didn't do something it was supposed to be able to do. No.
Did the appearance of the stick change in any way after it was given to the little girl? No.
Was the stick some kind of musical instrument? No.
Could the stick only be used properly by certain people? Properly, yes.
Does the gender of the person holding the stick matter? No.
Does the size of the person holding the stick matter? No.
Is the stick made of ONLY wood? Yes. (It's possible a tiny bit is something else, but it's not terribly relevant.)
Are there any significant markings on the stick? No.
Is the stick hollow? No.
Are there any holes in the stick? No.
Is the stick symmetrical in cross-section? In a cross-section, yes. Added: Oops, depends on which way you do the cross-section. The easy way is symmetrical. The difficult way is not, which is why I didn't think of it.
Is the stick a boomerang? No.
Was the stick thrown? No.
- Held in the hand at one end? Yes.
- Held at the middle? No.
- Held by both hands? No.
Is the stick used as a support for something? No.
Is the stick used to control something? (I don't know, like the game where you control the direction of a wheel or some other thing) No.
Are there any moving parts on the stick? No.
Is the average real person likely to have ever seen such a stick? I would think so.
If so are they likely to have personally used it? No.
Is a real person with some kind of professional skill likely to have used such a stick? Yes.
Does such a stick exist in real life? Yes.
Circumstances/Location:
Is it relevant why the man handed the girl the stick? Yes.
Is the location of both person relevant? Yes. [answer changed]
Was the girl previously 'using' (for lack of better word) another similar stick? No.
Does this happen in a park? No.
- Hospital? No.
Did the girl need the stick? No.
Does that happen on a beach perhaps? No.
In the woods? No.
Was the girl pretending that the stick was broken? No, she really thought it was.
Does that happen in a gym? No.
- Somewhere where sports is involved? No.
- Somewhere where leisure activities are involved? Yes, for some people
Is the place open? (no roof, as opposed to a closed building). It can be, but typically no.
Did an accident happen? No.
- Was someone injured? No.
Was anything other than the stick broken? No.
Did the girl think the stick was broken because she didn't know how to use it? Something like that.
Was the girl being presented with the stick in some kind of ceremony? No.
Was being given the stick some kind of test? No.
Was the little girl holding the stick incorrectly? No.
Is the stick waved in the air at any point by the girl? Yes.
Did the girl want to make a trick with the stick but didn't know how to do it, so, she thought it was broken? Not like you mean. (She may have thought it was a "trick," but I don't think so.)
Girl:
Was the girl playing? Sorta, I guess.
Was she playing with dolls? No.
Was the little girl sad the stick was broken? Yes.
Or relieved? No.
Or glad? No.
Man:
Does the man have another role besides handing the stick? Yes.
Is he related to the girl? No.
Does he know the girl? No.
Was the man involved in the stick later on? If you mean after the little girl got it, no
Did the smiling man say anything to the girl when he handed her the stick? I would assume so
Was the man a teacher? No.
Was the smiling man special in some way? What do you mean by this?
Was the man a magician? No.
Parents:
Is there a third party involved? Yes. More than one more person? Yes.
Are there a specific number of 3rd parties? Yes.
Are their number relevant? Yes.
Are there 2 more people? Yes. 3? 4? 5? More? No to the rest.
- Are any of them related to the girl? Yes.
- Related to the man perhaps? No
Are the two people the parents of the girl? Yes.
If so, do they have some role with associated with the stick? Yes, indirectly. (Don't really like the word "role." They were involved.)
Were the parents looking after the girl properly? Yes.
Were the parents disappointed by the girls reaction? I'd imagine probably yes.
Is the stick a tool of the man's trade?
Does he work in medicine?
Education?
Music?
Sport?
Construction?
Science?
Was the stick one that you can use to find water, and the girls couldn't find water so she said its broke?
(sorry if this has been asked :o
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Is the stick a tool of the man's trade? Yes.
Does he work in medicine? Education? Sport? Construction? Science? No to these.
Music? Yes.
Was the stick one that you can use to find water, and the girls couldn't find water so she said its broke? No. (interesting idea)
Everything asked thus far is in post #51.Quote:
Originally Posted by albear
Is the stick a conductor's baton?
So the stick is related to music?
Is it used with an instrument with string? (eg. Violin)
- Keys? (eg. Piano)
- Using air? (eg. Flute)
- Using percussion instruments? (eg. Drum)
Is the stick a conductor's baton? Yes.
Now we're getting somewhere. :)
So the stick is related to music? Yes.
Is it used with an instrument with string? (eg. Violin) Keys? (eg. Piano) Using air? (eg. Flute) Using percussion instruments? (eg. Drum) None of the above.
So it occurred in a sort of big hall where orchestras are held?
Did the girl try to lead an orchestra?
So it occurred in a sort of big hall where orchestras are held? Yes.
Did the girl try to lead an orchestra? No.
Did the girl know what the stick used for?
Did her parents tell her to shake the stick to see what happens?
Did the girl know what the stick used for? Not quite.
Did her parents tell her to shake the stick to see what happens? No.
Did she thought the stick could make music?
She knew that she stick was a conductor's baton, right?
But she didn't know its real purpose, right?
Did she thought the stick could make music? Yes.
She knew that she stick was a conductor's baton, right? I don't think she understood "conductor's baton." (Maybe ask another way.)
But she didn't know its real purpose, right? Right.
Do we need to find the setting too?
Were the orchestra musicians present?
Were there many people in the hall?
Were the little girl and her parents visiting the place?
Did the girl want to try using the conductor's stick?
Did she ask to borrow it?
Was the smiling man the orchestra leader?
Did her parents ask the orchestra leader to borrow it?
Do we need to find the setting too? In terms of place, no. In terms of circumstances, yes.
Were the orchestra musicians present? Irrelevant.
Were there many people in the hall? Irrelevant.
Were the little girl and her parents visiting the place? Yes.
Did the girl want to try using the conductor's stick? She didn't specifically say so.
Did she ask to borrow it? No.
Was the smiling man the orchestra leader? Yes.
Did her parents ask the orchestra leader to borrow it? No.
Was the girl impressed before getting the stick?
- By the man?
- By the stick?
Did the man saw her impression and asked her if she wanted to try?
Was the girl impressed before getting the stick? Yes.
- By the man? No.
- By the stick? Yes.
Did the man saw her impression and asked her if she wanted to try? No.
Was the man practising before handing the stick to the girl?
Did the girl clap?
Exclaimed?
Was the man practising before handing the stick to the girl? No.
Did the girl clap? Probably.
Exclaimed? Probably that too.
Did the girl get the attention of the man somehow?
Did the man want her to try it?
Did the girl get the attention of the man somehow? No.
Did the man want her to try it? Um, it's not really a 'want her to try it' on his part.
You're getting close and I'd love to stay and watch you solve this, but I'm getting really tired. I'm only still up cause I was trying to finish something else.
But I usually chill out with a book a bit before going to sleep, so I'll be checking in again. Don't be afraid to ask cause you think you're keeping me up. :) (And of course, I'll eventually be back.)
I'm just reading something and trying to think of what is happening in the puzzle at the same time...
I just don't know what she could have done for the man to give it to her. She didn't get his attention... he wasn't practising, it was irrelevant whether there was an orchestra before...
I don't know how she could have witnessed the stick 'playing' music nor why would the man hand it to her... :(
You're assuming she got him to give it to her.Quote:
I just don't know what she could have done for the man to give it to her.
You asked "Were the orchestra musicians present?" Our scenario is about him handing her the baton - there is no "before" in your question.Quote:
She didn't get his attention... he wasn't practising, it was irrelevant whether there was an orchestra before...
Does that help?
I don't know... maybe I'm tired... :o
I'll post later on.
Sure. You might still be around after I get up.
I'll part with a few "cheating" comments:
His intent was not a "want for her to try it." This does not mean the opposite, that he did not want her to try it. And he was probably pleased for her to do so. But her "trying it" wasn't his motivation.Quote:
Did the man want her to try it? Um, it's not really a 'want her to try it' on his part.
My feeling is there's an assumption built into these questions. The questions themselves don't contain an assumption - I simply think you're making one by asking them.Quote:
Did she ask to borrow it? No.
Did her parents ask the orchestra leader to borrow it? No.
Why?Quote:
Were the little girl and her parents visiting the place? Yes.
Think about these.Quote:
Did she thought the stick could make music? Yes.
But she didn't know its real purpose, right? Right.
And with that I'm asleep...
The parents take the girl to visit a music hall and meet a conductor?
She asks what the stick is for?
Or she has previously seen a conductor waving a stick whilst the music plays?
She therefore thinks the baton makes the music happen?
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