Ask Me Help Desk - Lateral Thinking Puzzle (Restaurant)

He perhaps thinks that the albatross would bring bad luck? :confused:

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Is it because of the taste? ;)

The albatross was his long lost pet,on realising this he shot himself out of horror.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Blue Angel

Does the soup remind him of the person who died?

Kind of.
(Morgaine is going to kill me as it's only supposed to be Yes or No answers)

Ok, so someone died. The soup reminds him of the person that died, and so he kills himself because of the taste.

Does he have quilt?

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Originally Posted by Hexxie

Does he have quilt?

Do you mean "guilt"? Then yes.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Do you mean "guilt"? Then yes.

LOL! What a man can't have a quilt? LOL! ;) Yes, I did mean guilt.

Did he kill someone?

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Originally Posted by Hexxie

Did he kill someone?

No.

Did he witness someone die?

Hope this doesn't confuse anyone to dump all these into one thread, but I thought it would be easier for everyone to follow the answers. (Let me know if I'm wrong.)

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Can we get another hint?

Boy, you give up easily. I also would rather not give hints unless most people want/need them.

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Did he have enough money to pay for the soup?

Irrelevant

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Does the soup remind him of the person who died?

Question taken literally, yes.

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I thought I would help move it along a little.

Maybe a bit too fast but we'll see.

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He perhaps thinks that the albatross would bring bad luck?

Irrelevant.

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the albatross was his long lost pet,on realising this he shot himself out of horror.

No

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Does the soup remind him of the person who died?

Kind of.
(Morgaine is going to kill me as it's only supposed to be Yes or No answers)

Not for the answer, cause sometimes that's all that works. But see my answer. However, I don't mind if you comment on one of my answers if you think it doesn't work, but I would appreciate if you'd let me have the fun of finishing something I started, thanks. (If you do one later and I know it, I promise not to answer.)

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Originally Posted by Hexxie

Did he witness someone die?

Yes.

Does it have anything to do with the waiter?

Did he feel guilty about killing the bird? Maybe it was his pet?

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Originally Posted by redhed35

does it have anything to do with the waiter?

No. (I'm surprised that question took that long.)

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Did he feel guilty about killing the bird? Maybe it was his pet?

"Improper" question. It's never been established that he killed the bird.

So irrelevant? Not improper?

Thanks it's been fun, but I am out.

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Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

So irrelevant? Not improper?

No, I meant that you can't ask if he feels guilty about killing the bird if it's never been established that he killed the bird.

Though if you really want an answer I'll say no.

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Thanks it's been fun, but I am out.

Sorry to see you go. Granted, this is a tough one. (It just happened to be the one I could remember.)

While I am quite capable of completing complicated riddles and such, it was your condescending attitude that turned me off.

I thought this was supposed to be fun?

What condescending attitude? I merely pointed out that it hadn't been established the he killed the bird. I only called it "improper" for lack of any better term. There was nothing insulting intended in it. If you were playing cards and someone told you the card you just threw was an illegal move would you get all insulted about it?

I WAS trying to have fun. Being called condescending isn't particularly fun either.

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Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

While I am quite capable of completing complicated riddles and such, it was your condescending attitude that turned me off.

I thought this was supposed to be fun?

Don't go.

I don't think Morgaine was being condescending, just simply trying to answer the question asked the best possible way under the circumstances. Remember, Morgaine knows the answer and therefore info we do not have.

I really don't want to hijack this thread, I know other people are having fun on it. So, I apologize for my remark, maybe I read too much into her responses. I felt a little like I was being scolded for what I thought was a "yes or no" question. However, I don't want to ruin this for other people, as it seems others are quite enjoying it. I think this is a great strategic question.

So, so far we know he is depressed for some reason, does it have to do with the death of the bird?

No, I wasn't scolding you. Really, I was trying to give "rules" but did not want to use that word, because there aren't any "official rules." Whoever does it kind of gets to make up how they want to do it. I guess guidelines is a better term. Or like Hexxie said, it can be difficult from this side if I don't know exactly what you mean, or you throw in conclusions that have never been made.

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So, so far we know he is depressed for some reason, does it have to do with the death of the bird?

Like this one, I assume means does his depression have to do with the death of the bird?

No.

In this case, it doesn't matter how you said it, but you never know when it could. ("It" could have been the entire scenario, right? Well, the entire scenario is not really relevant to the death of the bird. That's a give-away - no one's even asked if the death of the bird was relevant.)

Glad you decided to stay. :-)

Right! :)

Ok, I think you said that he killed himself because of the way the soup tasted, so did the soup not taste how he expected?

Was he used to a different version of this soup?

Was the man in the Navy?

My father used to say a popular saying, (he was Navy), I won't repeat it, but I think I know the answer.

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Ok, I think you said that he killed himself because of the way the soup tasted, so did the soup not taste how he expected?

No.

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Was he used to a different version of this soup?

Yes.

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Was the man in the Navy?

Irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Aurora_Bell

My father used to say a popular saying, (he was Navy), I won't repeat it, but I think I know the answer.

If someone thinks they know the answer they can always put SPOILER at the top of the post and go down several lines and then put their conclusion. Then anyone who cares to finish guessing may do so.

Though I may have blown in with the Navy question. Or you may know a different version. I've heard more than one version myself, but I'm trying to stick with what appears to be the popular one. If someone gets the gist, though, that'll count.

Ooohhh, Unky's trick: do white font. And to read it, you highlight it.

Like this: (down there - pointing)
Like this

EDIT: Next post is a spoiler of AN answer. If you'd like to keep guessing, skip over it. Also, this is not either version I've heard but the same main concept is there.

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My father used to say when I was caught in a fib or lie, "Don't feed me human and tell me it's Albatross"

A few years later, he told me a "navy tale" about a ship being stranded on a deserted island, the cook told the crew "this island has plenty of Albatross, so that's what we will eat", the people on the island started disappearing, and no one could figure out why. Finally it was just the cook and the Captain left, they were rescued before another meal was made. When the man ate the albatross he realized what real Albatross tasted like, and knew what happened to his ship mates.

As I said above, the main concept is there, in a version I haven't heard. The other two versions I know are below. Highlight everything under this sentence to read them.

Neither version is this detailed, and neither has disappearing people. Both are shipwrecks on a deserted island with no food. And of course people are eaten, he tastes the soup and realizes what happened. So that really is the "main concept" in my opinion.

But in one version, there is not all the stuff about the disappearing people. Just simply that the cook says he's killed an albatross and has fixed some soup. When tasting real albatross soup, the guy freaks because it's against his religious beliefs to eat humans and feeling he has sinned beyond saving, kills himself.

The version I found most online and was using for answers is that it was just him and his wife and the captain. His wife got killed in the shipwreck, so he already knew she was dead. He didn't of course know the captain had used her for food. So when he discovers it was his wife, he simply can't deal with having eaten his wife and commits suicide.

Well, after reading Bella's post (not the spoiler part), I'm somewhat confused by the fact that you said that the man thought the Albatross would bring bad luck to him since I did some research about the albatross and found that there was also a myth of bad luck with killing an albatross among sailors... and then Bella talked about Navys (except that it's completely different from the story I read on wikipedia.

So... um... did he gave fake albatross to someone who then died?

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Well, after reading Bella's post (not the spoiler part), I'm somewhat confused by the fact that you said that the man thought the Albatross would bring bad luck to him since I did some research about the albatross and found that there was also a myth of bad luck with killing an albatross among sailors... and then Bella talked about Navys (except that it's completely different from the story I read on wikipedia.

Two responses. One, I didn't say the man thought the albatross would bring bad luck. I said it was irrelevant. Meaning, he may think that, or he may not, I don't know, and it makes no difference in the answer to the scenario. Second, notice I said it was irrelevant whether he was in the Navy. Neither version I know involves the Navy. Her version is an "old navy story," but even given that, her version doesn't necessitate him being in the navy.

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So... um... did he gave fake albatross to someone who then died?

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No.

(There are times when it's difficult from this side, but there are times when it's also terribly funny.)

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Originally Posted by redhed35

he remembers hes allergic to albatross soup and will die a painful slow death so decides to shoot himself instead.

If I wasn't in love with you before... well... I'm still not in love with your but I Like you More Larger than Ever in the history of Ever than I did before.

Redhed makes my world spin a little off kilter. And I think that is awesome.

Big kisses back atcha.

Good time for a summary of all questions/answers:

*We know the original setting. But only exactly what I said. Don't assume anything other than what was said.
*redhead started with trying to guess the senario and all I really said was "no" - so we're going to say that him being allergic to albatross, and whether it's kosher, are not releveant
*Is he on holiday? Irrelevant
*Is he on a desert island with only one restaurant? Irrelevant
*Is it actually albotross soup? Yes
*Does he think it's (the soup) something else? No
*Did the man really want to shoot himself? Yes
*Did someone whom he knew died recently? Someone died, yes. As for "recently" - I would say not really relevant.
*Did the man made a promise of some sort to this now dead person whatsoever before having the soup? Irrelevant
*Is the dead person in the soup? No
*Is the man depressed? Depressed probably isn't the best word, and if you mean like someone being depressed for several weeks or even years, then no.
*Is it because of the taste? Yes
*Was the man sick? No
*The soup was so awful he killed himself? No
*Did the food taste good? Irrelevant
*Did he have enough money to pay for the soup? Irrelevant
*Does the soup remind him of the person who died? NK's answer: kinda; my answer: question taken literally, yes
*He perhaps thinks that the albatross would bring bad luck? Irrelevant
*the albatross was his long lost pet,on realising this he shot himself out of horror? No
*Does he have guilt? Yes
*Did he kill someone? No
*Did he witness someone die? Yes
*Does it have anything to do with the waiter? No
*Does he feel guilty about killing the bird? No one asked if he killed it, but no he does not feel guilty about the bird
*Does his depression have to do with the death of the bird? No
*I added: the entire scenario is not relevant to the death of the bird
*Did the soup taste like what he expected? No
*Was he used to a different version of the soup? Yes
*Was the man in the navy? Irrelevant
*Did he give fake albatross to someone who then died? No

That tongue licking the monitor totally cracks me up.

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Originally Posted by morgaine300

That tongue licking the monitor totally cracks me up.

Irrelevant!

Did our man kill the person who died?

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Originally Posted by Unknown008

Did our man kill the person who died?

No.

(Sorry, actually finally went to bed a bit earlier last night.)

Re-read the summary. It's already been established that he didn't kill anyone at all.

Did the person who died use to make albatross soup for him?

Did they used to go out for albatross soup together?

Does the person who died have any connection to the albatross soup?

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Did the person who died use to make albatross soup for him?

No.

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Did they used to go out for albatross soup together?

No.

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Does the person who died have any connection to the albatross soup?

Yes... what I'd call an indirect one.

Bloody nora this puzzle is a conundrum.

Let me make sure I have this right:

Someone died, who had a(n indirect) connection to the soup, that reminded the man of them.

The soup was a different versioin than the man was accustomed to and upon tasting it, he felt guilty and shot himself?

Is this right so far?

Ah, it's late, so Europe is back with us now.

Well, it's difficult, but I've found these types of puzzles to be that way. Have you heard the common one that there's a dead man lying on an island, why? There's like a trillion different reasons for that but you have to find the "correct" one, though I also think there's a couple of different versions of it. These things can take a while and take some patience, and you definitely have to like this sort of thing.

Although there are some lateral thinking problems which just have a pretty straight-forward flat-out answer, but still require thinking outside the box. I may throw some of those onto the other riddle threads.

If you want the answer it's in posts #66 & 67. Or would you like a hint?