Are these other people employees? Are they customers/clients? Are they working with the man?
Is the man working for the garbage pickup company?
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Are these other people employees? Are they customers/clients? Are they working with the man?
Is the man working for the garbage pickup company?
Gordon faithfully takes the trash out daily, a task for which his wife is quite grateful. However, it so happened that on this particular day, his menial chore cost another man thousands of dollars. Explain.
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Originally Posted by morgaine300
Okay, I'll go catch a little TV and check back later.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
Hm... Is Gordon doing the work that the man and his 'helpers' usually do and hence, the latter cannot do their work properly and hence, they lose?
Is there something in the trash that the man would use? (recycling for example)
Are the workers of the man 'angry' at Gordon? Because they would lose their jobs?
Does Gordon sent the trash to somewhere after taking it out?
Hm... Is Gordon doing the work that the man and his 'helpers' usually do and hence, the latter cannot do their work properly and hence, they lose? No
Is there something in the trash that the man would use? (recycling for example) No
Are the workers of the man 'angry' at Gordon? I'm sure they were annoyed. Because they would lose their jobs? No
Does Gordon sent the trash to somewhere after taking it out? Irrelevant
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Was the man a customer/client at the business? Kinda/sort of.
But if he's doing some kind of work for the business, I would think this is a flat out no. Or is there really something more (weird) going on here?
This is bothering me a little, so in the interest of not steering you wrong I think I have to clarify a little here. There is some sort of business-related relationship between the man and the business.
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But if he's doing some kind of work for the business, I would think this is a flat out no. Or is there really something more (weird) going on here? There is something more unusual going on here.
There is a false assumption in this question.
Is the business employing the man and his workers?
- To do something relevant?
- To take out the trash?
Did Gordon take out and threw away something he shouldn't?
Is the business employing the man and his workers? No
- To do something relevant? No
- To take out the trash? No
Did Gordon take out and threw away something he shouldn't? No
Do the man and his workers have their company adjacent to the building where Gordon is a janitor?
Is Gordo throwing the trash somewhere he shouldn't?
Do the man and his workers have their company adjacent to the building where Gordon is a janitor? No
Is Gordo throwing the trash somewhere he shouldn't? No
Is it even relevant what the trash contains?
Is the action of taking the trash outside (from building to outside, excluding throwing it away) that engender the loss of money?
Were the workers so annoyed that they didn't want to work any more for the man?
Is there yet other people involved besides Gordon, his wife, the man and his workers?
OK, some more clarifying:
How about this: The man works for another company and that other company conducts business with this company? Hence, he's there working, AT the company, but not FOR the company? (It took me a while to find that I'd said "at" one place and "for" another place.) And, this could also explain how he could "sort of" be a customer/client, because his company is the client?
I hope this one doesn't cause further confusion cause I'm having a hard time articulating this right:
Are these other people employees? Are they customers/clients? Are they working with the man? Yes, they are working with the man.
When I re-read this, I realized that this could have been misinterpreted, and see that you did not answer the 3 questions. These were 3 individual questions. But I could see where it could be taken that I'm asking if the people work for Gordon's company, and working with this man. So I want to clarify that what you meant is what I did, that they do NOT work for Gordon's company, but that they "work with" the man as fellow workers. I hope I'm making sense. Unky has asked questions based on this exact thing and you haven't corrected him about it, so I'm for the moment assuming this is right.
OK, now that I have that out of the way... back to my other questions.
Is it even relevant what the trash contains? No
Is the action of taking the trash outside (from building to outside, excluding throwing it away) that engender the loss of money? No
Were the workers so annoyed that they didn't want to work any more for the man? No
Is there yet other people involved besides Gordon, his wife, the man and his workers? Yes, one other relevant character. :o
LOL! You're going to make me crazy :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Just Looking
Is this last person a man?
Is the work of this last person relevant?
Is this person in the building too?
Does it all happen in a movie studio? Theatre? (This puzzle seems so... improbable to occur in real life :rolleyes:)
OK, some more clarifying:
How about this: The man works for another company and that other company conducts business with this company? Hence, he's there working, AT the company, but not FOR the company? (It took me a while to find that I'd said "at" one place and "for" another place.) And, this could also explain how he could "sort of" be a customer/client, because his company is the client? I said kinda/sort of because they aren't exactly a customer or client of the business, but there is a business relationship. It was the first question that was tying the man to the business and I didn't want to just say no.
I hope this one doesn't cause further confusion cause I'm having a hard time articulating this right:
Are these other people employees? Are they customers/clients? Are they working with the man? Yes, they are working with the man.
When I re-read this, I realized that this could have been misinterpreted, and see that you did not answer the 3 questions. These were 3 individual questions. But I could see where it could be taken that I'm asking if the people work for Gordon's company, and working with this man. So I want to clarify that what you meant is what I did, that they do NOT work for Gordon's company, but that they "work with" the man as fellow workers. I hope I'm making sense. Unky has asked questions based on this exact thing and you haven't corrected him about it, so I'm for the moment assuming this is right. Yes, the other people work with the man. They do not work for Gordon's company.
OK, now that I have that out of the way... back to my other questions.
LOL! You're going to make me crazy :p You'll be in good company. ;)
Is this last person a man? Could be a man or woman.
Is the work of this last person relevant? Yes
Is this person in the building too? Probably not when the incident occurred, but this person does work there.
Does it all happen in a movie studio? Theatre? (This puzzle seems so... improbable to occur in real life :rolleyes:) No, it isn't in a movie studio or theater. Actually this puzzle is pretty realistic for the most part. Still, I think you should read some of your old questions and my answers. There's something in there. :D
Well, I keep rereading them and I think I lose myself in there :eek:
Okay, I'll try once more... and will edit this post if I have new questions.
I think we could use a summary, through post #568 (I've deleted some duplicates and shortened some of the clarifications and such.)
Is the money considered as a loss? Yes-ish. Or as a 'missed gain'? No
So is the loss an item of value? No, money vs. an item. You'll understand the hesitation when you figure out the loss.
Gordon:
Does "takes the trash out" refer to him taking trash from inside the house to a main garbage can/bin? No. (Versus taking the main garbage can to the curb for pickup, which I would not expect to happen daily. Just checking.) No.
Did he miss a day of taking the trash out? No.
Does Gordon do something else besides taking the trash out which is relevant? Yes-ish.
Given Gordon hasn't done his 'menial' task, would the man still lose thousands of dollars? No, probably not.
Is Gordon's *job* taking out the trash in a building? (rather than taking out the personal trash at home?) Yes.
Is Gordon a human being? Yes.
Does Gordon take out trash in the same manner everyday? (ie he does the same thing besides taking trash out) Yes
Is Gordon sick the day that the loss happens? No.
Does Gordon carry the trash out (as opposed to rolling)? Irrelevant
Is the trash in bags when he takes it out? Irrelevant
Did Gordon bump into someone or something? No
Is Gordon the janitor? Yes
Does he do other forms of maintenance? Not relevant
Does Gordon recognize this man by site? No.
man:
Was the man someone 'anti-feminist'? No.
Was the man Gordon's neighbor? No.
Does the man know Gordon's wife? No.
Was the man ever at Gordon's house? No.
Is the man far away from Gordon? (like less than a kilometre away) No.
Does the man work with the trash? No.
Does the trash (some product in the trash) contain something related to the man? (see my next question to see where I'm driving at) No.
Is the man involved in the manufacture of a product? No.
Does the man work to save the environment? No.
Does this happen in a TV show/movie? I'm taking this to mean that you are asking if Gordon is an actor in a tv show/movie - No.
Is the man keeping a close eye on Gordon? No.
Does the man work at the building as well? No, he's not an employee of/at the building.
OK, was he doing work at the building, but not as an employee? (i.e. contractor or from another company) Yes
Does the man live in the building? No
Was the man a customer/client at the business? Kinda/sort of.
But if he's doing some kind of work for the business, I would think this is a flat out no. Or is there really something more (weird) going on here? There is something more unusual going on here. Added later: There is a false assumption in this question. Also added: This is bothering me a little, so in the interest of not steering you wrong I think I have to clarify a little here. There is some sort of business-related relationship between the man and the business.
Is the man working for the garbage pickup company? No.
Is the business employing the man and his workers? No
- To do something relevant? No
- To take out the trash? No
Do the man and his workers have their company adjacent to the building where Gordon is a janitor? No
Is it relevant what kind of building it is? Yes, but only as detailed by your next questions.
Apartment/condo? No. Office building or some private business? Yes. Store or some public business? No. Public service? No.
Do Gordon and the man come into direct physical contact with each other? (literally) No.
Is there a specific event which takes place while taking out the trash that causes this loss? Yes.
If so, does this event take place while Gordon is inside? Yes. Or outside? No.
Did it take place while Gordon was taking out the garbage? Yes-ish.
Have the man and Gordon seen each other at least once? Yes. Added later: They are just now seeing each other in this scenario. I think it's somewhat relevant.
Did the man and Gordon see each other while the latter was taking out trash? Yes.
Was this intentional No or for some purpose? Yes, but probably not the way you mean it. Or was this by coincidence? Not really coincidence
Is Gordon doing the work that the man and his 'helpers' usually do and hence, the latter cannot do their work properly and hence, they lose? No
Was there something in the trash that was valuable to the man? No.
Is there anything unusual with the trash on that particular day? No.
IS there anything in the trash itself that causes the loss? No.
Is there something in the trash that the man would use? (recycling for example) No
Does Gordon sent the trash to somewhere after taking it out? Irrelevant
Did Gordon take out and threw away something he shouldn't? No
Is Gordo throwing the trash somewhere he shouldn't? No
other person/s:
Is there someone else involved besides the wife, Gordon and the man? Yes.
Is the other person/people involved a man? Man/Woman, Men/Women - could be any of these.
Does that person (3rd party) have anything to do with the trash? No.
Does Gordon know the additional person personally? No.
Does that person (3rd party) did something different on that particular day? No.
Do any of the other person/people (which I will call the 3rd party) come into physical contact with either the man or Gordon? No.
Is this third party a person or persons? The assumption in the story is that it would be multiple people. Does it matter? To some degree.
Are these other people employees? Are they customers/clients? Are they working with the man? Yes, they are working with the man.
Are the workers of the man 'angry' at Gordon? I'm sure they were annoyed. Because they would lose their jobs? No
Are Gordon and the man related by blood? No.
Do they know each other? No.
Does Gordon's wife have a relevant role in this puzzle besides being a wife? No.
Is death involved? No.
Do Gordon and the man work together? No.
Is there a bet involved? No.
Did someone get hurt? No.
Is it relevant why his wife is "quite" grateful instead of being simply "grateful"? No.
Does Gordon does something else besides taking the trash out which the wife is not so grateful about? No.
Is there anything unusual happening at home when Gordon is out on that day? No.
Is Gordon aware that he is making the man lose that huge sum of money? Well, after the fact, yes.
Is the wife related to the man in some way? No.
Are there other physical objects involved? Hmmm ... tough one to answer. I would say yes.
Morgaine, thanks for the recap. That is really helpful.
I don't know this is a big deal, but there was a part where Unky was asking about other people and it's been clarified that there were other people involved who work for the man and that Gordon doesn't know. At the time, I wasn't even thinking of the individual who is now being mentioned in post 571. This last person is separate from the others, but is being mentioned for a specific reason.
And Unky I still see a clue in there.
Oh yes, I'm sure that helped. :confused:
I'm trying to go over it now, but I keep spending more time adding stuff to my list than reading it.
Does Gordon get side-tracked while taking out the garbage?
Is it relevant to discover what the man's relationship with the business is?
Does he work for the IRS? (That would be the accountant in me speaking, not wine. ;))
The new mystery person:
Is this person Gordon's boss?
Is this an employee of Gordon's company?
Or, is this person working for/with the man, et al.
Does Gordon get side-tracked while taking out the garbage? No
Is it relevant to discover what the man's relationship with the business is? Yes - very relevant.
Does he work for the IRS? (That would be the accountant in me speaking, not wine. ;)) No :p
The new mystery person:
Is this person Gordon's boss? Yes
Is this an employee of Gordon's company? Yes - the boss is an employee of Gordon's company.
Or, is this person working for/with the man, et al. No
Do Gordon and the man speak to each other?
Did Gordon go into a room where the man was to collect the trash?
Ok, I thought about something.
Gordon takes out the trash everyday. The man and his 'workers' come in the building.
Right?
Hypothesis:
Those people are thieves and Gordon see them. So, Gordon becomes a witness and as such, the thieves cannot execute their 'task' to completion. Thus their lost of millions of dollars.
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More Questions:
Is Gordon doing anything illegal?
Are the man and his 'workers' doing anything illegal?
Is Gordon's boss doing anything illegal?
Do Gordon and the man speak to each other? They normally wouldn't, but I think they did due to the incident.
Did Gordon go into a room where the man was to collect the trash? I'm a little confused by this question. Can you verify what you are asking?
I might point out, Unky, that you established very early on that the loss was not a "missed gain."
Ok, I thought about something.
Gordon takes out the trash everyday. The man and his 'workers' come in the building.
Right? Yes ETA: Though I would say they are in the building.
Hypothesis:
Those people are thieves and Gordon see them. So, Gordon becomes a witness and as such, the thieves cannot execute their 'task' to completion. Thus their lost of millions of dollars. Good idea, but not in this puzzle.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~
More Questions:
Is Gordon doing anything illegal? No
Are the man and his 'workers' doing anything illegal? No
Is Gordon's boss doing anything illegal? No
I'll try. Did Gordon go into a room, a room where the man was at, in order to collect up the trash that was in that room?Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Looking
Much better - Yes. I just wanted to be sure we had it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
Yes I know :( I was thinking about it... and didn't know how to put it down, hence my other questions. Maybe something with drug dealing with the boss :eek: and they will lose the money if they can't accomplish their task...Quote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
Did Gordon see something he shouldn't have?
Did Gordon hear something he shouldn't have?
Is there a secret of some sort in this puzzle?
Was there a big noise in the building?
Yes I know :( I was thinking about it... and didn't know how to put it down, hence my other questions. Maybe something with drug dealing with the boss :eek: and they will lose the money if they can't accomplish their task... For the record, that's not the clue I've been hinting at. :D
Did Gordon see something he shouldn't have? Can you rephrase?
Did Gordon hear something he shouldn't have? No
Is there a secret of some sort in this puzzle? No, it's pretty straight-forward.
Was there a big noise in the building? No
Does the boss own the business? Or just work for it?
So Gordon and the man did not speak before the incidence happened? (I was trying to establish whether speaking was part of what led up to the incidence.)
Was the business they were conducting financially related. (Gotta get this out of my head.)(I don't mean indirectly like worth something, but like bank, stock, insurance, that sort of thing.)
Was the man et al in the room waiting for the boss?
Does the boss own the business? No Or just work for it? Yes
So Gordon and the man did not speak before the incidence happened? (I was trying to establish whether speaking was part of what led up to the incidence.) No
Was the business they were conducting financially related. (Gotta get this out of my head.)(I don't mean indirectly like worth something, but like bank, stock, insurance, that sort of thing.) No
Was the man et al in the room waiting for the boss? No
Was the man in the room conducting his business (without the boss I guess).
Did Gordon move anything in the room (besides trash).
Did Gordon see something he shouldn't have? Can you rephrase?
Um... I'll try... did Gordon see something he shouldn't have seen? (like some business strategy)
Was the boss communicating with the man through some telecommunication mode?
Did something happen on the moment Gordon opened the door which leads to the room in which was the man?
- Did something get out of the room? Someone?
- Did something get into the room? Someone?
Was the man in the room conducting his business (without the boss I guess). Yes
Did Gordon move anything in the room (besides trash). No
Did Gordon see something he shouldn't have? Can you rephrase?
Um... I'll try... did Gordon see something he shouldn't have seen? This needs tweaking. (Hah - sounds like You've Got Mail.)
(like some business strategy) No - not a business strategy.
Was the boss communicating with the man through some telecommunication mode? No
Did something happen on the moment Gordon opened the door which leads to the room in which was the man? Hmmm ... kind of
- Did something get out of the room? No Someone? No
- Did something get into the room? No Someone? No - just Gordon
Or a murder? :)Quote:
Um... I'll try... did Gordon see something he shouldn't have seen? (like some business strategy)
Remember, no dead bodies. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by morgaine300
No deaths ;)
Were they construction workers, remodeling, that sort of thing? Along those lines, electricians? Painters?
Did Gordon knock something over or spill something?
Are there any mistaken identities involved?
Did Gordon know the man would be in the room when he went in?
Even though he went in to take the trash, did Gordon do something for/with the man instead?
You didn't really think li'l anal old me with my list missed that, did you? I was just being funny. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Just Looking
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