Actually, folks, no I haven't heard this one. (I'm not sure why everything thinks I know them all. Really, there's many, many out there I don't know. ;))

I think jm is right. At first it sounded kookie, until I really thought about it.

Just as a note, J-Lo, I would stop worrying so much about how you answer stuff. The very fact that you think so hard about it says something and I'd rather you think cause sometimes you need to -- I think about some of them very hard as well and all my answers are very intentional. And if I realize I've misled, I try to correct it - but that does happen. The only one thing I've noticed is that you seem afraid to project - that is, something not specifically stated in the answer.

J-Lo, since you're only around for another week, I think it's your choice: you want to host or want to participate?

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J-Lo, since you're only around for another week, I think it's your choice: you wanna host or wanna participate?

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I'll put up one. I have to go to Los Angeles this weekend, so if it isn't completed by Friday afternoon we'll have to finish it on Monday - but most of them seem to go faster than that. (And yes, I woke up again. :mad: )

The only one thing I've noticed is that you seem afraid to project - that is, something not specifically stated in the answer.
I guess I wasn't sure how much I could do that. I don't want to mislead anyone... but watch out, I'm going to project away now. ;)

Gordon faithfully takes the trash out daily, a task for which his wife is quite grateful. However, it so happened that on this particular day, his menial chore cost another man thousands of dollars. Explain.

I don't know where to start with this one... :confused:

Was there something in the trash that was valuable to the man?
Was the man someone 'anti-feminist'? (sp?)
Are Gordon and the man related by blood?
Do they know each other?
Does Gordon's wife have a relevant role in this puzzle besides being a wife?
Is death involved?
Is the money considered as a loss? Or as a 'missed gain'?

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The only one thing I've noticed is that you seem afraid to project - that is, something not specifically stated in the answer.
I guess I wasn't sure how much I could do that. i don't want to mislead anyone ... but watch out, I'm going to project away now. ;)

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Well, I'll tell you how I do it. And yes, sometimes I flub up. (I hate when I have to correct my answers, but it happens.)

I stop and ask myself whether a yes or no answer would change the situation at hand. For instance, I ask is Ned married. Well, would Ned have done something different if he had been married? That is something difficult to conjecture in that situation -- i.e. sure, maybe, but that's kind of really stepping out there and going where we can't really go, so I just say, no that wouldn't change anything. Would it change his sister's will? Nah - it would go to Ned and not the spouse. Would it change hubby's actions. Not in the least.

So I come to the conclusion that Ned being married wouldn't change anything and is therefore not relevant. Nor is it relevant to the setting or other things in the situation. His wife might wonder why he suddenly wants to be a used car salesman, of all the dang things, but that's not relevant either. :D

But... don't recall if you were even doing the midget in the circus thing. The midget shot himself and worked in a circus. Someone asked if anyone else heard the shot. That's not in the answer. Someone hearing the shot will not change the scenario in any way or affect the midget's behavior. However, it does matter that he's in a circus. The setting is relevant, and it's therefore relevant that there would be people around... somewhere. So likely someone heard the shot. It wasn't in the answer. But the setting is relevant, and that setting tells me someone likely heard that shot. Because I couldn't know 100% for sure (maybe they were all out at the bar drinking), instead of saying yes, I said probably. Probably gives the right idea, but at the same time says the answer isn't telling me, and that I'm "projecting."

I think very hard about anything that is not a very easy straight-forward yes or no. Whether everyone's happy with the answers I give or not I don't know. Just saying this is how I handle these kinds of questions. And sometimes it can be darn difficult as you are well aware.

And now you have a picture into the mind of Morgaine and how anal, detailed and analytical she is. (And why putting summaries together is just so "me." ;)) But then, I'm a math/accounting person, and a gamer, and many of us tend to be this way. My brother is like this. I'll ask why he's doing something and he says "Just being anal" and I totally understand.

Somehow this reminds me of the time he was talking about his games, and keeping game boxes, or the games themselves, or something I don't recall. (Many years ago.) And he wondered why he did this and went through a list of possible reasons, which included something like "Sentimental reasons? HUH?" Which had me totally cracking up. And finally just decided he was being nothing but anal. Which also cracks me up.

Sorry - I ramble even worse with a bit of, um, wine in me.

What we we doing?

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Gordon faithfully takes the trash out daily, a task for which his wife is quite grateful. However, it so happened that on this particular day, his menial chore cost another man thousands of dollars. Explain.

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I don't know where to start with this one... :confused:

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Me neither. (And I should be in bed anyway. I'm predicting I'm going to really regret this when I have to get up.)

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Is death involved?

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ROTFL! You assume a death must be involved with everything?

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Is the money considered as a loss? Or as a 'missed gain'?

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You've been hanging around me too long or something. That "missed gain" is known as an "opportunity cost." ;)

Glad to learn the technical term :)

I don't know... since Synn sometimes just throw something which seems random and gets near to the solution, lol. I'm throwing this random death ;)

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Gordon faithfully takes the trash out daily, a task for which his wife is quite grateful. However, it so happened that on this particular day, his menial chore cost another man thousands of dollars. Explain.

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I knew the puzzle. I just lost track of myself.

Was the man Gordon's neighbor?

Does "takes the trash out" refer to him taking trash from inside the house to a main garbage can/bin? (Versus taking the main garbage can to the curb for pickup, which I would not expect to happen daily. Just checking.)

Did Gordon accidentally smash garbage into Ned's used car and mess it all up and require repairs?

Do Gordon and the man work together?

Does the man know Gordon's wife?

Was the man ever at Gordon's house?

My gut is telling me this is a tough one. (I wonder if I'll get any breaks at work tomorrow to check in. Otherwise I'm out until evening.)

It was a bet! Gordon's neighbor bet the mailman that he could tell him EXACTLY when Gordon would be coming out of the house with the garbage. However, on this particular day, Gordon was sick with the flu, and didn't take out the garbage as usual, costing the neighbor a hefty bet with the mailman.

(I don't know this one--if this is the answer, I'll pee my pants)

Gordon faithfully takes the trash out daily, a task for which his wife is quite grateful. However, it so happened that on this particular day, his menial chore cost another man thousands of dollars. Explain.

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I don't know where to start with this one... :confused: muwhahaha :D

Was there something in the trash that was valuable to the man? No
Was the man someone 'anti-feminist'? (sp?) No
Are Gordon and the man related by blood? No
Do they know each other? No
Does Gordon's wife have a relevant role in this puzzle besides being a wife? No
Is death involved? No
Is the money considered as a loss? yes-ish Or as a 'missed gain'? No

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Off to a solid start. :D ;)

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Was the man Gordon's neighbor? No

Does "takes the trash out" refer to him taking trash from inside the house to a main garbage can/bin? No (Versus taking the main garbage can to the curb for pickup, which I would not expect to happen daily. Just checking.) No :D ---> for this puzzle, that smiley = muwhahaha

Did Gordon accidentally smash garbage into Ned's used car and mess it all up and require repairs? No - I think that's the wine talking.

Do Gordon and the man work together? No

Does the man know Gordon's wife? No

Was the man ever at Gordon's house? No

My gut is telling me this is a tough one. I just looked. It took 84 posts, with multiple questions in each post. (I wonder if I'll get any breaks at work tomorrow to check in. I hope so. Otherwise I'm out until evening.)

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It was a bet! Gordon's neighbor bet the mailman that he could tell him EXACTLY when Gordon would be coming out of the house with the garbage. However, on this particular day, Gordon was sick with the flu, and didn't take out the garbage as usual, costing the neighbor a hefty bet with the mailman. Another great guess - but No

(I don't know this one--if this is the answer, I'll pee my pants) ... lucky for you ... :D

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Is there a bet involved?

Does the wife have anything to do with anything?

Did someone get hurt?

Did he miss a day of taking the trash out?

Ok, time for the questions. If they got it in 84 posts, we must squeeze as much question in a post.

Is the man far away from Gordon? (like less than a kilometre away)
Does the man work with the thrash?
Does the thrash (some product in the trash) contain something related to the man? (see my next question to see where I'm driving at)
Is the man involved in the manufacture of a product?
Does the man work to save the environment?
Does this happen in a TV show/movie?
Is it relevant why his wife is "quite" grateful instead of being simply "grateful"?
Does Gordon does something else besides taking the thrash out which the wife is not so grateful about?
Does Gordon do something else besides taking the thrash out which is relevant?
Does the man knows Gordon's wife?
Given Gordon hasn't done his 'menial' task, would the man still lose thousands of dollars?

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Is there a bet involved? No

Does the wife have anything to do with anything? Not really

Did someone get hurt? No

Did he miss a day of taking the trash out? No

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Ok, time for the questions. If they got it in 84 posts, we must squeeze as much question in a post.

Is the man far away from Gordon? No (like less than a kilometre away)
Does the man work with the thrash? No
Does the thrash (some product in the trash) contain something related to the man? (see my next question to see where I'm driving at) No
Is the man involved in the manufacture of a product? No
Does the man work to save the environment? No
Does this happen in a tv show/movie? I'm taking this to mean that you are asking if Gordon is an actor in a tv show/movie - No.
Is it relevant why his wife is "quite" grateful instead of being simply "grateful"? No
Does Gordon does something else besides taking the thrash out which the wife is not so grateful about? No
Does Gordon do something else besides taking the thrash out which is relevant? Yes-ish
Does the man knows Gordon's wife? No
Given Gordon hasn't done his 'menial' task, would the man still lose thousands of dollars? No, probably not.

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I have to go into a meeting. I'll be back in a couple of hours - time for huge posts of questions.

Is Gordon's *job* taking out the trash in a building? (rather than taking out the personal trash at home?)

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Yes - this took the other puzzle probably 50 posts to get to. Good job. I'm thinking you guys will beat that other record. :)

Did the man place something in the trash (a contract, a check, whatever) that Gordon threw out?

Did the "something" in the trash fall there by accident?

Did the man place something in the trash (a contract, a check, whatever) that Gordon threw out? No

Did the "something" in the trash fall there by accident? There's a false assumption in this question.

Is Gordon a human being?
Have the man and Gordon seen each other at least once?
Is there anything unusual with the trash on that particular day?
Is there anything unusual happening at home when Gordon is out on that day?
Is Gordon aware that he is making the man lose that huge sum of money?
Is the man keeping a close eye on Gordon?
Is the wife related to the man in some way?
Is there someone else involved besides the wife, Gordon and the man?
Does Gordon take out trash in the same manner everyday? (ie he does the same thing besides taking trash out)

IS there anything in the trash itself that causes the loss?

Is Gordon a human being? Yes - interesting question
Have the man and Gordon seen each other at least once? Yes
Is there anything unusual with the trash on that particular day? No
Is there anything unusual happening at home when Gordon is out on that day? No
Is Gordon aware that he is making the man lose that huge sum of money? Well, after the fact, yes.
Is the man keeping a close eye on Gordon? No
Is the wife related to the man in some way? No
Is there someone else involved besides the wife, Gordon and the man? Yes
Does Gordon take out trash in the same manner everyday? (ie he does the same thing besides taking trash out) Yes

IS there anything in the trash itself that causes the loss? No

Is Gordon sick the day that the loss happens?

Is Gordon sick the day that the loss happens? No

Are there more than one more person involved?
Is the other person a man?
Does that person have anything to do with the trash?
Does Gordon know the additional person personally?
Does that person did something different on that particular day?
Did the man and Gordon see each other while the latter was taking out trash?
Was the man Gordon's neighbour?

Darn Gordon, speak up! What did you do? :(

Are there more than one more person involved? If by involved, you mean there are more than one person other than Gordon and the man who factor into this - yes
Is the other person a man? Man/Woman, Men/Women - could be any of these.
Does that person have anything to do with the trash? No
Does Gordon know the additional person personally? No
Does that person did something different on that particular day? No
Did the man and Gordon see each other while the latter was taking out trash? Yes
Was the man Gordon's neighbour? No

Darn Gordon, speak up! What did you do? Cute

Unky - you may want to reread the answers. You're missing something that has been mentioned. :)

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I think I know where you're getting the puzzles from. ;)

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I think I know where you're getting the puzzles from. ;)

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Well, I did get that from that site, so you may know. :rolleyes: It works in some cases.

I haven't really looked at much at that site, so I don't know the puzzle itself.

But darn, before I could even look through the questions, a student has shown up and I got to go.

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Yes, and I thought it was terribly hilarious at the time. Actually, I still think it's funny, and trust me, my mind already just works that way without any help from wine.

OK, no one else has been around, and I'm finally home, which gives me a chance to sit back and come up with hopefully a million great questions. I'm home for the night, and off work tomorrow. Yah!

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Yes, and I thought it was terribly hilarious at the time. Actually, I still think it's funny, and trust me, my mind already just works that way without any help from wine.

OK, no one else has been around, and I'm finally home, which gives me a chance to sit back and come up with hopefully a million great questions. I'm home for the night, and off work tomorrow. Yah!

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I thought it was funny, also. :)

Good for you. I'm at work for a while longer. I'll check back in a while to see how many questions you have posted, and again later tonight. I'm hoping we can finish this tomorrow (or sooner) so it doesn't have to wait through the weekend.

So the wife is grateful because Gordon's bringing home a paycheck. That was rather deceptive

You said Yes-ish to the loss being money. So is the loss an item of value?

Is it relevant what kind of building it is?
Apartment/condo? Office building or some private business? Some public business like a store? Public service?

Does the man work at the building as well? Does he live in the building?

Do Gordon and the man come into direct physical contact with each other? (literally)
Do any of the other person/people (which I will call the 3rd party) come into physical contact with either the man or Gordon?

Is this third party a person or persons? Does it matter?

Are there other physical objects involved?

Is there a specific event which takes place while taking out the trash that causes this loss?

If so, does this event take place while Gordon is inside? Or outside? Did it take place while Gordon was taking out the garbage?

I have more but I think I need answers to these first.

There are some difficult ones to answer in here, so I did my best.

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So the wife is grateful because Gordon's bringing home a paycheck. That was rather deceptive. Yes, and yes it was. :D

You said Yes-ish to the loss being money. So is the loss an item of value? No, money vs. an item. You'll understand the hesitation when you figure out the loss.

Is it relevant what kind of building it is? Yes, but only as detailed by your next questions.
Apartment/condo? No Office building or some private business? Yes Some public business like a store? No Public service? No

Does the man work at the building as well? No, he's not an employee of/at the building. Does he live in the building? No

Do Gordon and the man come into direct physical contact with each other? (literally) No
Do any of the other person/people (which I will call the 3rd party) come into physical contact with either the man or Gordon? No

Is this third party a person or persons? Are you asking if it is multiple people or something other than people? Does it matter? To some degree.

Are there other physical objects involved? Hmmm ... tough one to answer. I would say yes.

Is there a specific event which takes place while taking out the trash that causes this loss? Yes

If so, does this event take place while Gordon is inside? Yes Or outside? No Did it take place while Gordon was taking out the garbage? Yes-ish.
I have more but I think I need answers to these first.

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That was difficult to ask to get the idea I was trying to understand, but I think your answer worked great. i.e. it's not important what type of business, but really only that it's some type of private business, right?

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Is this third party a person or persons? Are you asking if it is multiple people or something other than people? Does it matter? To some degree.

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When this was brought up, it was a little unclear to me whether it was just one person, or people plural. (I tried to underline the s in persons but guess that didn't work.)
Was that your assumption when you answered it does matter to some degree, that I meant singular or plural?

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And I'm just starting work again. I forgot I have this little two-hour shift online after I get home from my other work. (New schedule. This dumb little shift on Thursday is hard for me to remember.) Hopefully it won't be busy. Timing of schedules hasn't worked very well today. :rolleyes:

Was the man a customer/client at the business?

Does the man work at the building as well? No, he's not an employee of/at the building. OK, was he doing work at the building, but not as an employee? (i.e. contractor or from another company)

Does Gordon carry the trash out (as opposed to rolling)?
Is the trash in bags when he takes it out?

Did Gordon bump into someone or something?

Was the man changing a light bulb? (Don't ask where that came from.) How many men does it take to change the light bulb?

You said they saw each other. Was this intentional or for some purpose? Or was this by coincidence?

Is Gordon the janitor? Does he do other forms of maintenance?

You said that yes Gordon and man had seen each other at least once before. How about more than once? You said they don't know each other, but does Gordon recognize this man by site?

Hmm... starting to fish a bit.

Some were difficult to ask. ;) Haha


That was difficult to ask to get the idea I was trying to understand, but I think your answer worked great. i.e. it's not important what type of business, but really only that it's some type of private business, right? Yes


When this was brought up, it was a little unclear to me whether it was just one person, or people plural. (I tried to underline the s in persons but guess that didn't work.)
Was that your assumption when you answered it does matter to some degree, that I meant singular or plural?
What threw me with your question was I couldn't answer with a yes or no - it required a "person" or "persons" reply. The assumption in the story is that it would be multiple people.

And I'm just starting work again. I forgot I have this little two-hour shift online after I get home from my other work. (New schedule. This dumb little shift on Thursday is hard for me to remember.) Hopefully it won't be busy. Timing of schedules hasn't worked very well today. :rolleyes: Well, I'll check back later.


Was the man a customer/client at the business? Kinda/sort of.

Does the man work at the building as well? No, he's not an employee of/at the building. OK, was he doing work at the building, but not as an employee? (i.e. contractor or from another company) Yes

Does Gordon carry the trash out (as opposed to rolling)? Irrelevant
Is the trash in bags when he takes it out? Irrelevant

Did Gordon bump into someone or something? No

Was the man changing a light bulb? (Don't ask where that came from.) No How many men does it take to change the light bulb? Just one, if there's a woman telling him how to do it. (sorry guys - it's just a joke)

You said they saw each other. Was this intentional No or for some purpose? Yes, but probably not the way you mean it. Or was this by coincidence? Not really coincidence (now I'm pulling my hair out)

Is Gordon the janitor? Yes Does he do other forms of maintenance? Not relevant

You said that yes Gordon and man had seen each other at least once before. How about more than once? You said they don't know each other, but does Gordon recognize this man by site? I assumed Unky's question to mean had they ever seen each other, versus for example the possibility that Gordon threw something away without the man being present. Gordon doesn't recognize the man.

Hmm... starting to fish a bit. I feel like you are so close. ;)

Work ended up being hectic, so I even ran over. Thursday is such a long day, I'm so glad I have Friday off. So no new questions for this second, but some clarifications...

(Not sure why this is getting so confusing.)

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HA! See, I caught that you specifically said not an employee, instead of just saying no. :p

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Well, I thought it was amusing.

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You said they saw each other. Was this intentional No or for some purpose? Yes, but probably not the way you mean it. Or was this by coincidence? Not really coincidence (now I'm pulling my hair out)

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Sorry. Obviously difficult to answer. I'll work on getting some clarifying questions there.

Speaking of clarifying, so having "seen each other at least once" just means now, in the scenario, right? They've never seen each other prior to this day, right? Something tells me this is not even terribly relevant.

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Hmm... starting to fish a bit. I feel like you are so close. ;)

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I really love when you say that when I'm still pretty clueless. :D I might be narrowing down the setting, but I still don't know what happened.

OK, off to find food and then I'll see if I can get 3 billion questions in first and beat Unky. ;)

You know, I've been so busy getting the setting and relationships, etc. that I totally forgot the guy lost something. LOL.