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  • Sep 28, 2010, 09:36 PM
    morgaine300

    He's going to take the car to the house. And he's going to try to make hubby die so he can get the money. But he's not going to blow him up nor smack into him.

    Hmm.

    I can't say I'm well versed in the ways of killing people.

    Is he going to get hubby inside the car somehow?

    And what you you doing up, young lady? You had the flu and you're supposed to be resting. And it's too early for your 'waking up later' thing.
  • Sep 28, 2010, 09:39 PM
    Just Looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by morgaine300 View Post
    He's going to take the car to the house. And he's going to try to make hubby die so he can get the money. But he's not going to blow him up nor smack into him.

    Hmm.

    I can't say I'm well versed in the ways of killing people. You don't need to know the ways of killing people to solve the puzzle. Look at the question again.

    Is he going to get hubby inside the car somehow? No

    And what you you doing up, young lady? You had the flu and you're supposed to be resting. And it's too early for your 'waking up later' thing.

    It's only 9:30 here. :) Plus, I know you are getting really close to solving this. ;)
  • Sep 28, 2010, 11:30 PM
    morgaine300
    [QUOTE=Just Looking;2542335]
    Quote:

    It's only 9:30 here. :)
    Hmm... I always thought you disappeared before this and then came back in what would be about a half hour or so from now. I guess I'm crazy.

    EDIT: Er, I meant "before the time of my last post," cause it's like 2 hours later now.

    Quote:

    Plus, I know you are getting really close to solving this. ;)
    If you say so. Sure, I've got the gist, but not getting that detail. Maybe Unky'll be along too. Maybe just the right question from him...


    Is he going to try to kill hubby while he (Ned) is in the car?
    Is he going to leave the car at the house?
  • Sep 29, 2010, 01:48 AM
    Unknown008

    Does Ned want hubby to be in a used car that he previously manipulated to that it occurs as an accident?

    Does Ned expect to convince hubby to try a car?
    Then try to kill him?
    While still making it seem like an accident?

    I'm thinking he can't risk killing hubby carelessly, or he'll be in jail and some other person will get the heritage...
  • Sep 29, 2010, 02:10 AM
    morgaine300

    Yea! Unky's here. Cause I'm running out of steam on questions. Got the main gist, but there's that nagging little detail about how the "kill" is going to happen. (By the way, I doubt it'll hurt for you to read the spoilers of my incorrect answer, since nearly everything of it has been solved anyway.)

    Since J-Lo is perhaps sleeping better tonight, I will point out that he's not trying to get hubby to try the car - already asked. I also suspect that how easily he might get caught might not be relevant. When did the people in these scenarios make any sense anyway. :)

    (I might check in one more time, but I'm making an attempt to hit the sack a bit earlier. I've already got it solved except for this detail. So we'll see what happens by time I get back up.)

    I DO expect credit for solving the rest though. :p
  • Sep 29, 2010, 02:19 AM
    Unknown008

    Ned wants someone irrelevant to drive the car with him. He then will manage to run hubby over with the buyer (who's driving). He has tweaked the car before, so this will appear as an accident.

    I keep thinking that he will try to stay out of suspicion...

    I only read the one JLo said afterwards and I have some idea of what you said. Anyway, okay, I'll read back.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 02:27 AM
    morgaine300
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post
    Ned wants someone irrelevant to drive the car with him. He then will manage to run hubby over with the buyer (who's driving). He has tweaked the car before, so this will appear as an accident.

    Not bad. Except it doesn't explain taking the car to the house.

    I kept thinking he was going to cut a brake line or something of the sort, but still doesn't explain him taking it to the house. That's stumping me.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 02:28 AM
    morgaine300

    She said the site where she got it had like 70-90 posts. How many do you think we have? :D
  • Sep 29, 2010, 02:40 AM
    Unknown008

    4 pages of 20 posts for me, that makes like the same as theirs and if we don't find it quick :eek:

    Ok, I keep missing some details...

    Something riduculous, but who knows...

    He plans to take the car to their house. At night, Ned would switch on the engine and let carbon monoxide fill the house so that hubby will die. I'm assuming though that sis is at the hospital... or that Ned is killing his sis too... one rock, two hits.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 02:59 AM
    morgaine300
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post

    He plans to take the car to their house. At night, Ned would switch on the engine and let carbon monoxide fill the house so that hubby will die. I'm assuming though that sis is at the hospital... or that Ned is killing his sis too... one rock, two hits.

    LOL. I'm all for it.

    But I'm done for the night and need to be in bed. Guess I'll see later how it all faired out.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 03:02 AM
    Unknown008

    Have a good sleep morgaine :)
  • Sep 29, 2010, 06:09 AM
    Just Looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by morgaine300 View Post

    Hmm... I always thought you disappeared before this and then came back in what would be about a half hour or so from now. I guess I'm crazy.

    EDIT: Er, I meant "before the time of my last post," cause it's like 2 hours later now.

    I actually slept thru the night - sounds like a baby, finally sleeping thru the night. My mom would have been so proud. :o

    If you say so. Sure, I've got the gist, but not getting that detail. Maybe Unky'll be along too. Maybe just the right question from him....


    Is he going to try to kill hubby while he (Ned) is in the car? No
    Is he going to leave the car at the house? No

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post
    Does Ned want hubby to be in a used car that he previously manipulated to that it occurs as an accident? No

    Does Ned expect to convince hubby to try a car? No
    Then try to kill him? No
    While still making it seem like an accident? No

    I'm thinking he can't risk killing hubby carelessly, or he'll be in jail and some other person will get the heritage... Now you are thinking on the right track - the final part of this puzzle is his motivation for taking the job only.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by morgaine300 View Post
    Yea!, Unky's here. Cause I'm running out of steam on questions. Got the main gist, but there's that nagging little detail about how the "kill" is going to happen. (By the way, I doubt it'll hurt for you to read the spoilers of my incorrect answer, since nearly everything of it has been solved anyway.) It doesn't matter how the kill will happen.

    Since J-Lo is perhaps sleeping better tonight Yes!, I will point out that he's not trying to get hubby to try the car - already asked. I also suspect that how easily he might get caught might not be relevant. When did the people in these scenarios make any sense anyway. :) Actually it is relevant. This was based on a TV show, so is slightly more realistic.

    (I might check in one more time, but I'm making an attempt to hit the sack a bit earlier. I've already got it solved except for this detail. So we'll see what happens by time I get back up.)

    I DO expect credit for solving the rest though. :p Absolutely

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post
    Ned wants someone irrelevant to drive the car with him. He then will manage to run hubby over with the buyer (who's driving). He has tweaked the car before, so this will appear as an accident. No

    I keep thinking that he will try to stay out of suspicion... Yes, that's his motivation.

    I only read the one JLo said afterwards and I have some idea of what you said. Anyway, okay, I'll read back.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by morgaine300 View Post
    Not bad. Except it doesn't explain taking the car to the house.

    I kept thinking he was going to cut a brake line or something of the sort, No but still doesn't explain him taking it to the house. That's stumping me.



    Quote:

    Originally Posted by morgaine300 View Post
    She said the site where she got it had like 70-90 posts. How many do you think we have? :D We started at #393.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post
    4 pages of 20 posts for me, that makes like the same as theirs and if we don't find it quick :eek:

    Ok, I keep missing some details... Not really - it's simpler than where you guys are headed.

    Something riduculous, but who knows...

    He plans to take the car to their house. At night, Ned would switch on the engine and let carbon monoxide fill the house so that hubby will die. I'm assuming though that sis is at the hospital... or that Ned is killing his sis too... one rock, two hits. No - the actual method of death is not mentioned. I accidently hit "agree" rather than quote. I keep doing that. :confused:



    Yep. You guys are going to stone me. I feel like really this puzzle is over. Unky basically got the final touch by saying "I'm thinking he can't risk killing hubby carelessly, or he'll be in jail and some other person will get the heritage..." and "I keep thinking that he will try to stay out of suspicion... "

    This is the official solution. The nagging detail was just that he wanted to use a different car so if he was seen no one would know it was him. It really would have been better if the type of murder was included, but I'm thinking Ned wasn't all that bright and hadn't figured that out yet.

    Ned's sister is very rich but Ned is not. She once told him her will left half her fortune to her husband & half to Ned. When he learned that she was dying, he decided to double his inheritance by killing the husband before her death. He became a used car salesman to have access to cars that were not recognizably his & hence would not be recognized when he went to murder the husband. He would also be more likely to be identified on the street if he were on foot. This puzzle is adapted from a TV show.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 08:06 AM
    Synnen

    Okay, that was a silly solution.

    I could have come up with something more imaginative than THAT!
  • Sep 29, 2010, 08:11 AM
    Just Looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Synnen View Post
    Okay, that was a silly solution.

    I could have come up with something more imaginative than THAT!!

    I bet you could have - really all they needed was an interesting murder.

    Maybe you should write for TV.

    Ooh, I have an idea. You should turn one of your creative ideas into a lateral puzzle for us.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 08:18 AM
    Synnen

    Oh god no.

    I have a few good lateral puzzles that I know. The problem is that my ability to participate on AMHD is very sporadic lately, and I need to keep up with my moderator stuff first before playing--so if I posted a puzzle, I wouldn't be able to respond to questions in a timely manner.

    I've been playing these since I was 13 and a teacher introduced us to them. It was our Friday game. She'd give us the puzzle on Wednesday, and we would write down questions to turn in Thursday. On Friday, she'd have the questions and answers on the board, and we'd solve the puzzle before doing any other classwork. Changed how I think about a lot of things, and really made it easier to "think outside the box". I've talked to others from that class throughout the years, and most of us have retained that ability to change perspective and see the puzzle from a different way.

    Best thing about the whole thing? It was a MATH class. :)
  • Sep 29, 2010, 08:20 AM
    Unknown008

    Nice :)

    So... we failed to get the official solution :(
  • Sep 29, 2010, 08:26 AM
    Just Looking

    I always liked teachers who could come up with creative ideas like that. I remember three in particular - one was a psychology teacher and the other two were math teachers. I always loved math anyway, but these two teachers were really special.

    Synnen - I understand about your duties. From December through April 15, I work really long hours and barely have time to play. This is my slow season, though.

    Unky - I do think you got it. It may not have been the exact wording, but the thought was still there. :)
  • Sep 29, 2010, 08:32 AM
    Synnen

    Does someone want me to PM them a puzzle and they can do the answers?
  • Sep 29, 2010, 08:34 AM
    Just Looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Synnen View Post
    Does someone want me to PM them a puzzle and they can do the answers?

    I would do that if no one else wants to. I like giving Morgaine a chance to play since she's done so many of these. I'm only here for one more week, and then gone for the rest of the month to get married and go on our honeymoon. My mind is not exactly on work. :o
  • Sep 29, 2010, 08:37 AM
    Unknown008

    Oh... gee thanks JLo :o

    No thanks. I don't know how much time I'll be able to keep up here. 2 weeks before the big exams and I feel like I have a lot to do :( I'll have to practice my physics and try to get used to my forgotten formulae.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 08:37 AM
    adam_89

    If you want to solve it Jlo, I will give the answers. I am not as good at them as you are.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 08:39 AM
    Just Looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adam_89 View Post
    If you want to solve it Jlo, I will give the answers. I am not as good at them as you are.

    Even better. I love playing them, but I question myself so much when I 'm answering your questions.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 08:40 AM
    Just Looking
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Unknown008 View Post
    Oh... gee thanks JLo :o

    No thanks. I don't know how much time I'll be able to keep up here. 2 weeks before the big exams and I feel like I have a lot to do :( I'll have to practice my physics and try to get used to my forgotten formulae.

    We have faith in you Unky. Maybe you can use these as a little escape when you need to relax.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 08:41 AM
    adam_89
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Just Looking View Post
    Even better. I love playing them, but I question myself so much when I answering your questions.

    Ok, so that solves that. Whenever she wants to send the answer to me and post the puzzle, we can begin.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 08:58 AM
    Synnen

    Okay, let me just start by saying I haven't followed all of the ones posted, so if I post one that you've already done, just let me know.

    A man pushes a car to a hotel and knows immediately that he's bankrupt
  • Sep 29, 2010, 09:02 AM
    Unknown008

    Ok, I'm game.

    Was he hurrying to the hotel?

    Was he really bankrupt now?

    Does he know who made him bankrupt?

    Did he try to avoid his current situation of being bankrupt?
  • Sep 29, 2010, 09:05 AM
    Just Looking

    I know this one already. Have fun, Unky.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 09:16 AM
    Unknown008

    :( Okay, this leaves Adam, morgaine and me (and morgaine probably knows this one)
  • Sep 29, 2010, 09:30 AM
    Synnen

    Sorry, JLo :(
  • Sep 29, 2010, 09:30 AM
    adam_89
    Ok, I'm game.

    Was he hurrying to the hotel? No

    Was he really bankrupt now? Yes, he is bankrupt now

    Does he know who made him bankrupt? Yes, I would say so

    Did he try to avoid his current situation of being bankrupt? No, He couldn't avoid it.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 09:31 AM
    Synnen
    Was he hurrying to the hotel? No.

    Was he really bankrupt now? In the context of the puzzle, yes. (way to ask a hard question)

    Does he know who made him bankrupt? Yes.

    Did he try to avoid his current situation of being bankrupt? Yes.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 09:34 AM
    adam_89

    Sorry, I guess I answered it wrongly Synn. I must have been thinking differently. I didn't know if you were doing it for the mean time or not.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 09:34 AM
    Unknown008

    Darn, leaves me and morgaine and since she probably knows it too, I'll be all alone waahh! :eek:

    Is a woman involved?
    Is a man involved?
    Is the reason behind why he is pushing his car relevant?
    Was this car his?
    Is the nature of his bankruptcy illegal?
  • Sep 29, 2010, 10:56 AM
    adam_89

    A man pushes a car to a hotel and knows immediately that he's bankrupt
  • Sep 29, 2010, 11:47 AM
    adam_89

    Is a woman involved? Irrelavent

    Is a man involved? Yes, the man pushing the car.

    Is the reason behind why he is pushing his car relevant? I am really not sure how to answer this. I am going to say no to help keep you from straying.
    Was this car his? Yes

    Is the nature of his bankruptcy illegal? No
  • Sep 29, 2010, 12:10 PM
    Synnen

    I'd say that the reason he was pushing the car IS significant, actually, but otherwise Adam is doing good :)

    Off to more work... gah.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 05:03 PM
    jmjoseph

    When I hear "bankrupt", I think of Monopoly. Was this "hotel" red? Was his car a little bitty thing?

    The "pushing" COULD be moving his piece.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 11:03 PM
    morgaine300
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Just Looking View Post
    Ned's sister is very rich but Ned is not. She once told him her will left half her fortune to her husband & half to Ned. When he learned that she was dying, he decided to double his inheritance by killing the husband before her death. He became a used car salesman to have access to cars that were not recognizably his & hence would not be recognized when he went to murder the husband. He would also be more likely to be identified on the street if he were on foot. This puzzle is adapted from a TV show.

    OK, so I kind of didn't make it today, and looks like you guys are already on another puzzle - don't know if I'll have time to read and catch up.

    But... I told my brother the parts we had solved of this already, and after mentioning cutting the brake line (and me telling him I didn't think hubby would be driving the car), he immediately said that Ned was just going to kill the guy and use the car to take the body away, which would not be his own car, and that he could use a car that had already been sold and that someone was picking up the next day. He also mentioned that a used car would be better than new due to the mileage issue.

    And I was amazed and said, "I bet that's it!" Well, he had the right idea anyway.

    BTW, no I'm not going to kill you, and quite personally, I think figuring out the use of the car is a relevant part of the puzzle.

    And one of my next questions was going to be if Ned was going to directly kill hubby... I did think of that but only after I posted last. Maybe that would have led me there. But I also expected it to already be solved since I never got on here today.

    But hey, I get part credit. :D (Everyone who asks questions should always get part credit cause they help solve.)
  • Sep 29, 2010, 11:07 PM
    morgaine300
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Synnen View Post
    I've been playing these since I was 13 and a teacher introduced us to them. It was our Friday game. She'd give us the puzzle on Wednesday, and we would write down questions to turn in Thursday. On Friday, she'd have the questions and answers on the board, and we'd solve the puzzle before doing any other classwork. Changed how I think about a lot of things, and really made it easier to "think outside the box". I've talked to others from that class throughout the years, and most of us have retained that ability to change perspective and see the puzzle from a different way.

    I've been doing puzzles since I was a little kid, but not these kind. (I did my first one of these about 10 years ago, starting with a really hard one.)

    But this is an interesting idea for school, cause I don't think anyone these days is taught how to think, in any kind of manner. I teach college students and feel like half of them are a bunch of little sheep running around.

    Someone posted on the math forums a while back a puzzle their kid's teacher had given, a math puzzle. I thought it was a great idea. I really wish teachers would do more of this kind of thing.
  • Sep 29, 2010, 11:10 PM
    morgaine300
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Just Looking View Post
    I would do that if no one else wants to. I like giving Morgaine a chance to play since she's done so many of these. I'm only here for one more week, and then gone for the rest of the month to get married and go on our honeymoon. My mind is not exactly on work. :o

    Oh bummer. Er... I mean, not about you getting married. Congrats!

    I mean that you'll be gone for a whole month. I'm going to go into withdrawal.

    (So what is your mind on. :p)

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