Ask Me Help Desk - Lateral Thinking Puzzle

Ok, some things must be settled.

Is Man 3 closer to the pavement than to the storey from which he fell?
Is Man 3 below the 'pavement level'? (if I may call it like that)
Or is Man 3 still somewhere between the building and the outside of the building?

Is the purpose of the woman in here relevant?
Did she try to help any of Man 2 or Man 3?

Did Man 2 fall on Man 3 while he fell through the window and 'pushed' him through the window too?
Was Man 2 pulled instead of 'pushed' through the window?

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Is Man 3 closer to the pavement than to the storey from which he fell?

Yes.

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Is Man 3 below the 'pavement level'? (if I may call it like that)

Yes you may, but no.

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Or is Man 3 still somewhere between the building and the outside of the building?

I'm not sure how one does that. That would be the wall. And he's not in the wall. (Though people find all sorts of things inside walls when they tear them down renovating.)

I'll grant you, on TV sometimes murder victims are behind walls - but this was an accident. ;)

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Is the purpose of the woman in here relevant?

Yes.

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Did she try to help any of Man 2 or Man 3?

Don't know, but it didn't work if she did. (Irrelevant really.)

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Did Man 2 fall on Man 3 while he fell through the window and 'pushed' him through the window too?

No.

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Was Man 2 pulled instead of 'pushed' through the window?

No.

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Originally Posted by adam_89

That was the longest most detailed summary I have ever seen. I am impressed.

Don't be too impressed. I've been popping every set of answers into a Wordpad file as I go, and section them off while I'm at it. I didn't do that from scratch! ;) (Although I did have to move some questions from "other" into an appropriate man once certain things had been established.)

I saw someone on another forum doing this, including bolding her answers. It looked really nice and made things easy.

(I'm also really anal. This is so "me." You also realize it's keeping my head together as well.)

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Originally Posted by morgaine300

Don't be too impressed. I've been popping every set of answers into a Wordpad file as I go, and go ahead and section them off while I'm at it. I didn't do that from scratch! ;) (Although I did have to move some questions from "other" into an appropriate man once certain things had been established.)

I saw someone on another forum doing this, including bolding her answers. It looked really nice and made things easy.

(I'm also really anal. This is so "me." You also realize it's keeping my head together as well.)

Well, you still did a good job.

I was thinking that maybe, she tried to grab the one killed by accident, so jumped to the window, grabbed his arm right in time but he was too heavy, and so, swung him to a lower storey...

As for between the building and outside, maybe the man was trapped somewhere by the broken window pane... since you said it is somewhat ridiculous this one.

Ok... hmmm..

Is it because of the wife than Man 1 got a heart attack?
Is it because Man 1 killed Man 3 by accident that he got a heart attack?
Is there an object which have not been mentioned yet which is relevant?
Is the woman responsible for the accidental death of Man 3? (for example she jumped on Man 1, who shot somewhere else)
Was Man 2 injured by Man 1 with his gun prior of dying?
Was Man 3 injured by Man 1 with his gun prior of dying?

Must agree, very good summaries. My brain still hurts though.

Is man 3 on something, or someone?
Or in something?

Were man 2 and man 3 both inside the apartment before they died?

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Is it because of the wife than Man 1 got a heart attack?

No.

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Is it because Man 1 killed Man 3 by accident that he got a heart attack?

Um... not directly.

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Is there an object which have not been mentioned yet which is relevant?

Yes.

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Is the woman responsible for the accidental death of Man 3? (for example she jumped on Man 1, who shot somewhere else)

No. (It's already been established the women was not a cause of any death.)

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Was Man 2 injured by Man 1 with his gun prior of dying?

No.

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Was Man 3 injured by Man 1 with his gun prior of dying?

No.

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Is man 3 on something,

Yeah, he's on heroin. :D

Sorry, no.

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or someone?

Not directly.

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Or in something?

Yes.

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Were man 2 and man 3 both inside the apartment before they died?

You should have learned by now not to ask about 2 people at the same time. ;) One was. But I'll save you some time, No and yes, in that order.

I find it difficult for man 3 to 'sorta' pass through the window if he wasn't in the apartment... =/

Was man 3 on the outside of the window when man 2 went through it?
- Was he cleaning the window? (but with ice? :confused:)

So man 3 was in something that landed on man 2 who was outside? But it wasn't a bathful of ice.

Man 1 deliberately killed man 3 so he pushed/threw the something at man 2?

If man 1 didn't deliberately kill man 3 then he couldn't see that he was in the something.
But it wasn't a crate of ice. Was it some kind of container full of grocery deliveries with ice in to keep them fresh? Was an illegal immigrant hiding in it?

Did the wife order some shopping and the order came all wrong so the man threw the container of deliveries at the delivery guy in a rage? (which he ascertained by reading the deliivery note not looking in the container).

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I find it difficult for man 3 to 'sorta' pass through the window if he wasn't in the apartment... =/

You got confused. The question was if man 2 or 3 was in the apartment. I answered no and yes in that order. Man 3 was in the apartment.

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So man 3 was in something that landed on man 2 who was outside? But it wasn't a bathful of ice.

Correct. (I did say your ice bath story was a very good idea, but just not right.)

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Man 1 deliberately killed man 3 so he pushed/threw the something at man 2?

It's been established than man 1 accidentally killed man 3. But the rest is right. So if you dump that "deliberately" out of there, you've got it.

So, did man 1 push/throw the something at man 2? Yes.

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If man 1 didn't deliberately kill man 3 then he couldn't see that he was in the something.

Correct.

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But it wasn't a crate of ice. Was it some kind of container full of grocery deliveries with ice in to keep them fresh?

No.

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Was an illegal immigrant hiding in it?

ROTFLMAO!! I don't know if any of them were illegal immigrants or not. :p

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Did the wife order some shopping and the order came all wrong so the man threw the container of deliveries at the delivery guy in a rage?

No.

But that does bring up a good point that no one's asked why man 1 deliberately killed man 2.

I think I got my 2 and 3 slightly muddled up in there somewhere hence the confusion about the deiberately.

So, there is a guy in the apartment who throws something containing another guy out of the window killing a man outside. (the man he intended to kill).
The first guy dies of a heart attack. From the exertion?

So was a guy hiding in something in the apartment?

Was the guy on the pavement his accomplice in something that had happened?

Was the guy on the pavement an innocent bystander?

Was spying involved?

Was the guy on the pavement the victim of mistaken identity?

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So, there is a guy in the apartment who throws something containing another guy out of the window killing a man outside. (the man he intended to kill).
The first guy dies of a heart attack. From the exertion?

Yes, all correct.

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So was a guy hiding in something in the apartment?

Yes.

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Was the guy on the pavement his accomplice in something that had happened?

No.

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Was the guy on the pavement an innocent bystander?

Yes.

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Was spying involved?

No.

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Was the guy on the pavement the victim of mistaken identity?

Yes.

OK... I'm having a hard time dealing with an issue and am finally going to post something. I will only say it's something I think a little unfair but can't say why.

So I will say that you may have difficulty figuring out what the "something" is. I can tell by the questions being asked. I also can't say why this is.

So I am just going to say to stop worrying about the "something" for right now and simply know that it exists. I mean, you can try if you want to. But I'd rather concentrate on trying to get the rest of the circumstances, simply cause it's the fairest thing to do. We'll see how that goes, and I'll decide later what else I might explain.

Was Man 3 in a fridge? (=S)

Is the motive of killing Man 2 relevant?
- Did Man 1 think that Man 2 was having an affair with his wife?

Was the heart attack of Man 1 because the latter realised he killed an innocent?

Was the something a fridge? Refrigerator? Freezer?

Was Man 3 hiding from Man 1?
- Was he having an affair with Man 1's wife?

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Was Man 3 in a fridge? (=S)

Yes.

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Is the motive of killing Man 2 relevant?

Yes.

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- Did Man 1 think that Man 2 was having an affair with his wife?

Yes.

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Was the heart attack of Man 1 because the latter realised he killed an innocent?

No.

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Was the something a fridge? Refrigerator? Freezer?

Fridge or big freezer would do.

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Was Man 3 hiding from Man 1?
- Was he having an affair with Man 1's wife?

Yes and yes.

Ok, so most part fit in so far, besides the why behind the heart attack.

Man 1 knew somewhat that a man was having an affair with his wife. He got in the apartment, but man 3, who was the culprit, was hiding in a fridge. He knew that someone was here, but didn't know where. He glanced at his window to see a man underneath, thinking that he was the one. Maybe, Man 2 just then got out of the building. So, Man 1 pushed the fridge through his window, breaking the glass and causing it to fall on Man 2, who died then. The fridge slammed open, scattering ice on the pavement, with the now dead Man 3 inside.

So far so good?

Was Man 1 feeling guilty about what he just did?
Was he panicked?
Was the panic the source of his heart attack?

OK, since we now know we're down to some variation of detail, I'm going to get picky about detail. ;)

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Man 1 knew somewhat that a man was having an affair with his wife.

No, he didn't necessarily know already.

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He got in the apartment, but man 3, who was the culprit, was hiding in a fridge. He knew that someone was here, but didn't know where. He glanced at his window to see a man underneath, thinking that he was the one. Maybe, Man 2 just then got out of the building. So, Man 1 pushed the fridge through his window, breaking the glass and causing it to fall on Man 2, who died then. The fridge slammed open, scattering ice on the pavement, with the now dead Man 3 inside.

That part's pretty much there. There's a minor extra detail about Man 2 in there, but nothing important.

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So far so good?

Mostly.

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Was Man 1 feeling guilty about what he just did?
Was he panicked?
Was the panic the source of his heart attack?

Nope. (Although, since I get panic attacks, thankfully not for a few years, I could fully understand why panic would do that.)

Did the behaviour of his wife hint at Man 1 that she just had an affair?
Is that even relevant, lol?

Was Man 2 looking at Man 1 when he saw him down?

Was Man 1's heart attack caused by the death of any of the other man?
Was his heart attack due to his age?
Was his heart attack due to his wife?