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  • Feb 24, 2012, 03:15 PM
    d.hayes89
    I have primary care of my son...
    Can I move my son out of state. His father,whom I was never married to says I cannot move out of state without his consent and even threatened to go for full custody. I have a job offer out there and my husbands parents need our help. Their health is not that great.
  • Feb 24, 2012, 03:38 PM
    JudyKayTee
    What does the Court Order regarding custody say?

    In every State I know you cannot move without the Court's approval. If you do, you are depriving the father of his time with his child and you can be forced back to your original State, held in contempt and lose custody of your child.

    I recently posted a case where I have personal knowledge of an ORAL agreement between the parents for the mother to move. She moved, the father changed his mind, took her to Court, Court said the move had to Court-approved, she was brought back, he got full custody (because she was in violation of a Court Order and was held in contempt) - and now HE has physical custody. I am talking about NY but you cannot simply take the child from the father.

    Now - if it's not Court-ordered custody/visitation, that's another story.
  • Feb 24, 2012, 03:45 PM
    d.hayes89
    This is in the state od MS. We do have a custody visitation agreement. What do I need to do about the courts granting me the move. I am willing to come up with a new visitation agreement. I think its more to spite me that he is not wanting to agreeto my move.
  • Feb 24, 2012, 03:48 PM
    d.hayes89
    It doesn't say anything in our agreement about moving out of state. If that means anything
  • Feb 24, 2012, 04:47 PM
    ScottGem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by d.hayes89 View Post
    It doesn't say anything in our agreement about moving out of state. If that means anything

    It doesn't have to. He has court ordered visitation. You cannot do anything that will change that visitation schedule without the court's approval. You need to prepare a case that shows moving will be in the child's best interests. The court will decide if it is or not.

    If you and the father can agree on a modified visitation it will go a lot easier. Or it could be that the court will give you a choice of either moving and giving the father primary custody or not moving.
  • Feb 24, 2012, 06:47 PM
    Fr_Chuck
    The biggest issue is how involved is he in the kids life. Does he visit all the time, if he has every other week, does he do it.

    Then, how can you make it work out of state fly them back every other week?

    How will a little extra time during the summer make up for months of not seeing the kids.

    If he is active in the kids life, he can stop you from moving.
  • Feb 24, 2012, 07:00 PM
    d.hayes89
    He only sees his son on his time to have him. I offer extra he says no. Where we are moving it's a six hour drive so I can easily bring him to his dad. I was going to have it where he gets him two weeks every month until my son starts school. Have him every other christmas and thanksgiving like it is now. And for the summer when he does start school I have him the first 2 weeks ans last two weeks.

    As of right now he only gets him every other weekend and every other holiday. I mean my goodness we literally live right down the road from him and he never wants more time with him. To me it seems like he will get MORE time with him if we move
  • Feb 24, 2012, 07:26 PM
    ScottGem
    It doesn't matter what you think, nor does it matter that he doesn't take advantage of greater time with his son. What matters is that he is a part of his sons's life and moving will require a change in the current visitation schedule. He can refuse that which can prevent you from moving with your son.
  • Feb 24, 2012, 07:27 PM
    AK lawyer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by d.hayes89 View Post
    He only sees his son on his time to have him. I offer extra he says no. ...

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by d.hayes89 View Post
    ... I mean my goodness we literally live right down the road from him and he never wants more time with him. To me it seems like he will get MORE time with him if we move

    Extra time is not the issue. What matters is the time he is allocated presently. Would that be impaired?

    You say he would get more time if you can move. How do you figure that, if now you are "right down the road", and if you were allowed to move you would be six hours away?
  • Feb 24, 2012, 07:39 PM
    d.hayes89
    He only sees him 4 days a month. I am offering him two weeks a month when we move. I know it gets harder when he starts school in 3 years but like I said I have a job offer at a hostipal once I finish school. We have family in that state. I am trying to give my son a better life and to provide for him better. The man wants everything to go HIS way. He won't work with me or help keep my son while I work and go to school. He tells me I should pick a better time in my life to go back to school. But yet he got to go to school and live his life the way he wants to.
  • Feb 24, 2012, 07:42 PM
    d.hayes89
    Sorry for going on a tangent there its just frustrating all the crap he puts my family through and how much control he has over my life.
  • Feb 24, 2012, 07:50 PM
    ScottGem
    I hate to say this, but you chose to have sex with this man. When you made that choice you took the risk of having a child. That gave him a measure of control over that will last as long as you and your son are alive. That's one of the consequences of engaging in intercourse.
  • Feb 24, 2012, 09:19 PM
    Fr_Chuck
    It is not control over you but his rights about his child. If things were reversed, how would you like to lose contact with the child.
  • Feb 25, 2012, 06:34 AM
    AK lawyer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by d.hayes89 View Post
    He only sees him 4 days a month. I am offering him two weeks a month when we move. I know it gets harder when he starts school in 3 years but like I said I have a job offer at a hostipal once I finish school. We have family in that state. I am trying to give my son a better life and to provide for him better. ...

    It looks like you have a reasonable plan for a change in visitation. If the father will not agree to it, you have to take it to court and get the judge to agree. File a motion to modify.
  • Feb 25, 2012, 08:15 AM
    JudyKayTee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by d.hayes89 View Post
    He only sees him 4 days a month. I am offering him two weeks a month when we move. I know it gets harder when he starts school in 3 years but like I said I have a job offer at a hostipal once I finish school. We have family in that state. I am trying to give my son a better life and to provide for him better. The man wants everything to go HIS way. He wont work with me or help keep my son while I work and go to school. He tells me I should pick a better time in my life to go back to school. But yet he got to go to school and live his life the way he wants to.


    That's what happens when you are the single mother and have physical custody. You pretty much lost your right to "live your life the way [you want] to" when you had your child. Perhaps it isn't fair, but that is how it is.

    It's all going to be about what the Court thinks is reasonable. Go to Court and ask. The father does not have to agree with your plan. He does have to live with whatever the Court orders.
  • Feb 25, 2012, 08:19 AM
    ScottGem
    Again, the courts are charged with what is in the best interests of the child. So, if you can convince the court that the move is in the best interest of the child and that the father's ability to be a part of his son's life will not suffer, then court will probably grant your request.

    No way to tell until you bring it before the court. If you have a job offer than time is of the essence and you need to move quickly.
  • Feb 25, 2012, 10:25 AM
    d.hayes89
    Thank you everyone for your advice it has truly helped.
  • Feb 25, 2012, 03:59 PM
    JudyKayTee
    Please stick around and answer some questions - another point of view is always more than welcome!

    And let us know what happens, okay?
  • Feb 25, 2012, 04:19 PM
    d.hayes89
    I sure will
  • Feb 26, 2012, 03:21 PM
    d.hayes89
    Notice of Service of Discovery
    My sons farher, whom I was never married to, sent me this paperwork asking for my full name, ssn, address, car information, tax information, work history, and all my bank information.

    My question is being we were never married why do I have to give him all my financial information. To me it is none of his business. Please tell me if I have to give this to him by law. I have not been able to talk to my lawyer about this yet and I am so frustrated by this I can't wait to find out. Please help me.
  • Feb 26, 2012, 03:33 PM
    AK lawyer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by d.hayes89 View Post
    My sons farher, whom I was never married to, sent me this paperwork asking for my full name, ssn, address, car information, tax information, work history, and all my bank information.

    My question is being we were never married why do I have to give him all my financial information. To me it is none of his business. Please tell me if I have to give this to him by law. I have not been able to talk to my lawyer about this yet and I am so frustrated by this I can't wait to find out. Please help me.

    You didn't indicate, but I assume there is a lawsuit pending over child custody &/or support? If so, this kind of discovery is standard, and you will have to answer it. You can, of course, force him to answer the same sort of questions.

    How long do you have to answer. This should be done through your lawyer, and your lawyer should explain to you what it is all about. I am, frankly, surprised that he or she simply forwarded this discovery to you without explanation.
  • Feb 26, 2012, 03:41 PM
    d.hayes89
    I received it Friday and was told by her secretary to have it filled out by Monday,tomorrow. And yes I have a current suit out for contempt of court for child support and many other things.

    The paperwork mentions divorce in a couple of paragraphs but yet we were never married. I just don't feel comfortable sharing bank information due to it really being my husbands account he just added me to his.
  • Feb 26, 2012, 03:50 PM
    Fr_Chuck
    Child support is often ( depending on state law) on income of both parties. It is normal when support is being looked at, reviewed or challenged and even required to be given to court.

    Please talk to your attorney but these will have to be supplied to the court.
  • Feb 26, 2012, 03:50 PM
    JudyKayTee
    "Ak," the other thread explains this - https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/family...on-638747.html

    I have asked that they be combined.

    There is also a third thread.
  • Feb 26, 2012, 03:55 PM
    d.hayes89
    Sorry for making another thread I just wasn't sure if my question would be answered in the comments of that thread. I am going to my lawyer tomorrow and hoping she will talk to me. Seems like she doesn't have time for me.
  • Feb 26, 2012, 04:03 PM
    Fr_Chuck
    Merged, various threads, please do not start new threads related to the same topic
  • Feb 26, 2012, 04:12 PM
    AK lawyer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by d.hayes89 View Post
    I received it Friday and was told by her secratary to have it filled out by Monday,tomorrow. And yes I have a current suit out for contempt of court for child support and many other things.

    The paperwork mentions divorce in a couple of paragraphs but yet we were never married. I just don't feel comfortable sharing bank information due to it really being my husbands account he just added me to his.

    Normally you will supply a draft of the response because you, not your lawyer, knows the answers. Then your attorney will review your draft and have it typed up for you to sign.

    Your attorney can object to one or more of the questions, if she believes such an objection is warranted. She might answer, for example write that
    "account(s) shared with husband; all funds in such account(s) belong to him. Objection is made to that portion of the question which seeks information as to amounts and account numbers on the basis that such information is confidential information belonging to my husband, and disclosure of such information is not relevant nor is it likely to reveal admissable information."
    Something like that. Then, if the other party to the suit wants to, he would have to seek a court order to compel you to answer.

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