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  • Mar 4, 2011, 05:54 AM
    cauin
    Suing parents over carelessness, depression, pulling rug from under my feet
    Hi, I was staying in an accommodation near university, and it closed down.. my parents wouldn't let me live near the univresity, and I'm not that organized, so in my final year, they paid for a place away from university it was my grandfathers money


    So, I didn't bother going there because I didn't want it, it was totally wasted. And I've got no degree now. My grandfather has left my mother a lot of money that's how she threw money at a flat I didn't want

    If I had a degree I could get a reasonable job. They pulled the rug under my feet in my final year. Is there any way I can sue my mother?

    I told them I'd tell him what they/she was doing, and they told me not to tell him because I wasn't meant to know he was paying. He liked to be like the righteous man paying when nobody knew it was him. They manipulated me really.


    His memory was going in his old age, sometimes he got frustrated when I spke to him, he said I should have told him, then when I told him they told me not to, he was angry with them but never spoke to them about that. One time he came round and I asked my parents about it in front of him, and my mother completely admitted that she just got that flat I didn't need to get me out of the house not to get me the degree. My grandfather was silent.


    He paid for me to go to secondary school too

    But he gave money to my mother to pay for it.

    The situation has caused me to become depressed, and even going for a job interview would be a nightmare because I have to relive it explaining them why I don't have a degree. And without a degree, salaries are so much less.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 06:18 AM
    smoothy

    Grow up and get a life... its YOUR problem, not your mothers. Once you are 18 be thankfull for ANY help you do get. Its not required and she has to think about her old age.

    If you have issues... take ownership of those issues... deal with those issues, get treatment for those issues, but don't try to blame others for those issues.

    You want to go to college, get a loan... get a grant... get a job... thats your problem to pay for it. Not your mothers. You are an adult not a child.

    I paid for my own college education because my parents couldn't. I never pitched a fit over it. As an adult you assume responsibility for your own life.

    If you get help be thankful... if you don't... then don't blame others. Its only ONE stinking year... grow up and get a loan.

    I paid for the entire thing. You can pay for one year.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 06:21 AM
    Fr_Chuck

    Yes, you are a jerk and need to grow up, you mom did help you by getting you the flat, so it was not the one you wanted and you would have to commute, big deal, You are the one to blame,
    You want to live close, get a job and pay for it,
  • Mar 4, 2011, 06:30 AM
    cauin
    Comment on smoothy's post
    Listen. If my parents couldn't afford it and said so then I'd either not have gone, or I'd have paid myself and tried to do it that way. But that wasn't the case. And if my parents could afford it but refused, and I'd have known in advance, then I'd have either not gone, or worked and gone. But this situation was one where they gave me the impression that I was covered, and then pulled the rug from my feet. I would have preferred to know in advance and then make a decision either not doing the degree, or trying to do it while working.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 06:33 AM
    cauin
    Comment on Fr_Chuck's post
    I am slightly autistic and not organized and it's not so easy to manage a job and a degree. The flat was very near home anyway so I didn't bother moving into it, I stayed at home and commuted from there. But it was harder for me when living far. I couldn't manage myself properly that far away. If I had known my parents would do that then I'd have either not done it, or worked prior to starting the degree.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 06:40 AM
    smoothy

    Your parents AREN'T required to foot the bill for everything you want to do as an adult.

    And they don't have to justify it. Besides... if you've never been on your own and was self supporting , then you really aren't in a position to judge what they can and can't afford.

    Besides... taking ownership for your situation is part of being an adult... and it builds character, something you clearly need to do more of.

    Big deal... you didn't know in advance... so go down to the bank... and take out a student loan to pay for the final year. Might take a few weeks at most.

    And as an adult... again... you are respopnsible for everything. You aren't 12 anymore. Being mature means you think about these things. NOBODY is responsible for you now, but you.

    Like I said before... You are an adult... as an adult YOU are responsible for your own life. Nobody can pull the rug out from under you as an adult... because its your responsibility in the first place. Not theirs. And any "HELP" you might get as an adult, will have conditions... and it can end at any moment. NOBODY is obligated to foot your bills as an adult. Be thankful for any help you get.

    Sucks huh?. well, welcome to the real world, and being an adult. There are Billions of others in EXACTLY the same situation. Time to get away from the tit and take care of yourself. Starting with this.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 06:42 AM
    Fr_Chuck

    So I guess you needed to talk to your parents, and most likely your attitude is part of the reason they will not help you any more.. Yes, if you don't finish school you have one person to blame, YOU, no one else.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 06:54 AM
    cauin
    Comment on Fr_Chuck's post
    I am not passing blame, just explaining the situation. My father refuses to discuss it, and paid 1 year of rent for a flat I didn't want. It was my grandfather's money not his so maybe it didn't mean much to him. I tried to speak to him constantly One time /i spoke to him and he had tears in his eyes and said he was worry about what happened.. and that he made a mistake, but it's like that discussion never happened.. now he just says he doesn't make mistakes, and he refuses to discuss it. He won't even take a question like why he did what he did, he says he can't answer it he doesn't remember now. Even at the time when I was desperate and asking him he'd always say he's watching the football or he's eating his dinner. But this is all irrelevant. And this thing you bring up about throwing blame around all on me for example, is childish, and irrelevant.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:01 AM
    Synnen

    Are you KIDDING me?

    YOU aren't organized, so it's your parents' fault you didn't finish your degree?

    How about getting off your butt, going back, and finishing your degree NOW?

    Seriously--grow up. My parents couldn't pay for college either. I am STILL paying off student loans almost 20 years later. Just because you didn't get to live where you wanted to doesn't give you the right to blame your parents.

    It is YOUR fault you didn't finish college. If you tried to sue your parents for this, you'd be laughed out of court.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:07 AM
    J_9

    Time to grow up. Have you ever heard the term "never look a gift horse in the mouth?" Apparently not.

    In REAL life we don't always get what we want, but have to be happy with what we have.

    It's no wonder your parents won't front you any money. They tried to help you by paying for a flat for a year and you were such an ungrateful little brat you didn't stay there.

    So you want to sue them for the bad choices YOU made in life? Really!
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:11 AM
    smoothy
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    I am not passing blame, just explaining the situation. My father refuses to discuss it, and paid 1 year of rent for a flat I didn't want. It was my grandfather's money not his so maybe it didn't mean much to him. I tried to speak to him constantly One time /i spoke to him and he had tears in his eyes and said he was worry about what happened.. and that he made a mistake, but it's like that discussion never happened.. now he just says he doesn't make mistakes, and he refuses to discuss it. He won't even take a question like why he did what he did, he says he can't answer it he doesn't remember now. even at the time when I was desperate and asking him he'd always say he's watching the football or he's eating his dinner. But this is all irrelevant. And this thing you bring up about throwing blame around all on me for example, is childish, and irrelevant.


    Childish... have you actually read what YOU have wrote? You are whining and complaining because someone isn't paying for YOU to live where YOU want to live... or for all four years of school.

    Big freaking deal... I spent 3 hours a day on a Greyhound bus round trip (hour and a half each direction) to go to college... You can hop a bus across town.

    Too bad... you have a place to live... stop crying about it. Or pay for your own place. THere is no RIGHT to live next to party Central. You went to college to learn... not attend every party they have near campus.

    YOU don't make demands of your parents... and its clear they are so fed up with your whining about what your entitled to they won't speak to you (I wouldn't either).

    THEY didn't have to do anything once you turned 18. Be thankful they gave you what they have and stop whining about it not being enough.

    You are an adult... if you want something then get a damn job and pay for it yourself like everyone else has to do.


    Oh right... that means work. Like I said, welcome to the real world.

    You have major adjustments to make, NOW. Ever hear the quote " You have champaign tastes but a beer budget"? Look it up. It so very much applies to you.

    I really want a Porshe Cayman, but know what... nobodies going to give me one and I can't afford it on my salary, so I guess I have to do without one. What a novel concept. Earning what one gets.

    I'm surprised they don't teach that in schools.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:24 AM
    cauin
    Comment on J_9's post
    Listen, If you went to a doctor and got bad advice, but they did the best they could, then within reason, I think, you should accept it. And you t least share responsibility for taking the advice, you could have enquired elsewhere. And if it was bad advice you could have found it. Getting a second opinion, or researching about diseases. Though some things you can't do much about. One can learn to accept the drudgery of living in all manner of terrible situations, one way is to drop hope. But the fact is that quality of life suffers. This obviously bothers people that slip and have an accident, or take bad advice from a doctor, or get hit by a reckless driver when they cross the road. Also, I don't know why you think I should have moved into the flat , The flat was no help to me getting the degree, so why should I have stayed there? I was in the same boat staying at home and commuting, and I did.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:29 AM
    cauin
    Comment on smoothy's post
    What do you think the justice system is for ? People are wronged, and the justice system can sometimes allow for that wrong to be somewhat corrected. The person that is wronged describes it, you call it "whining" because you are childish. And this is not some small thing. People carelessly slip on a slippery floor and don't know how to fall properly and they hurt themselves and sue, I think they should've noticed the floor was slippery, but maybe some minds aren't capable of that. If it was me, I wouldn't sue in that situation because I'd put it down to me being careless. By your logic you could call anybody's case "whining". That's not how the justice system works, you should know that better than me.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:30 AM
    J_9

    You weren't wronged in any way, shape or form. You made decisions now you have to live with the consequences of your decisions.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:34 AM
    smoothy
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    What do you think the justice system is for ? People are wronged, and the justice system can sometimes allow for that wrong to be somewhat corrected. The person that is wronged describes it, you call it "whining" because you are childish. And this is not some small thing. People carelessly slip on a slippery floor and don't know how to fall properly and they hurt themselves and sue, I think they should've noticed the floor was slippery, but maybe some minds aren't capable of that. If it was me, I wouldn't sue in that situation 'cos i'd put it down to me being careless. By your logic you could call anybody's case "whining". That's not how the justice system works, you should know that better than me.

    What a pompus ***...

    Grow up crybaby... I have an 8 year old Nephew that shows more maturity than you have in this thread. YOU are the only childish person posting in this thread.

    YOU aren't entitled to a free ride in life, PERIOD, END OF STORY, EVER... get a damn job and grow up. YOU are an adult... You get a job and pay for what you want, or you do without.

    You can't sue because someone didn't give you something you aren't entitled to in the first place. Where in the hell did you ever get the idea you could.

    Are you really 14 and telling lies about the rest... because NO way could someone so clueless have made it through three years of college.

    Someone NOT paying your rent in a place YOU demand, or paying for YOUR college has NOTHING to do with slipping on a floor.

    God, grow up and stop whining... its no damn wonder your father and grandfather won't talk to you. And cut you off.

    Christ... I suppose you are upset you have to do your own laundry too?


    I'd be surprised if your parents don't end up disowning you, changing the locks, or moving and not telling you where.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:35 AM
    cauin
    Comment on J_9's post
    You could say the same thing about somebody that crosses the road and gets hit by a car. They made the decision to cross the road, and they have to live with it.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:35 AM
    joypulv
    I think you should sue, and come back and tell us all what happened.
    Maybe your mother will countersue just to make it more interesting.
    After all, you wasted her inheritance on both schools so far.
    And why did you let your parents go looking for flats instead of finding one yourself?
    'Disorganized' enough to not do any of this bur organized enough to pass some years of college?
    'Slightly autistic' is an excuse for... what exactly?
    If you have Aspergers, say so, and maybe apply for disability. You do sound out of touch with how life works.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:37 AM
    J_9

    Quote:

    Comment on J_9's post
    You could say the same thing about somebody that crosses the road and gets hit by a car. They made the decision to cross the road, and they have to live with it.
    Are you on drugs? I have to ask because you make no sense whatsoever.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:38 AM
    AK lawyer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cauin View Post
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    if I had a degree I could get a reasonable job. ...

    Not necessarily. I wish it were that simple.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:45 AM
    smoothy

    I think this is really a Troll, because NOBODY is that stupid, that arrogant, and that clueless.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:53 AM
    cauin
    Comment on joypulv's post
    Yes I am disorganized enough not to do any of those things I find them very hard. But I was organized enough to get through the 2 years of college where I lived near there. Quite simple how that is so. I had to get to enough exams. I'm barely organized enough to manage a shower without a fiasco. I do have aspergers and I'm trying to get organized to deal with that and apply for disability, there is much to fill out, but I'm not asking about that, and that's entirely my fault that I haven't sorted it out yet.. there are organizations offering advice that are very good.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:56 AM
    cauin
    Comment on joypulv's post
    And why is everybody responding as a new answer instead of just in the comments section?
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:58 AM
    cauin
    Comment on J_9's post
    Yeah right.. You say it's my decision I have to live with the consequences. I say by that logic, a guy that crosses the road and gets hit by a car also made the decision to cross the road and has to live with the consequences. If you say that that reply doesn't make sense then I think you're lying.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 07:59 AM
    J_9

    Quote:

    Comment on joypulv's post
    And why is everybody responding as a new answer instead of just in the comments section?
    Because that's how you are supposed to answer. You aren't supposed to use the stupid comments feature for follow ups.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 08:01 AM
    cauin
    Comment on AK lawyer's post
    If somebody has just come out of university and somebody else with the same knowledge has, and one has a degree and one hasn't, then the one that has is likely to be given a higher salary.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 08:05 AM
    cauin
    Comment on J_9's post
    Oh comments is a stupid feature? There is a logic to the design of this site. It's not designed like a traditional forum , and to use it like that as you are makes it messy.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 08:08 AM
    J_9

    You are a troll aren't you? I've been a member of this site for 6 years now. I think I know how it works.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 08:09 AM
    smoothy

    You talk like a high school dropout.

    Trying to sue because someone won't give you something you aren't entitled to in the first place... then try to equate it to slipping on a floor or getting hit crossing a street.

    Both of which have NOTHING in common about what you have been whinning about.

    And if you have a degree or not... you aren't going to get hired at all if you act and talk like you don't have a clue and are trying to blow smoke up someone's butt. Because... NEWSFLASH. People that do know their job can spot a bullsh*ter pretty quick. And that's why you usually speak with more than one person before they make an offer. Because these people all talk to each other when you aren't there. And pick fun at the blowhards.. the unqualified and the liars. Because I've been part of more than a couple hirings.

    Tell you what... how about I sue you for not buying me a new car...


    That is just as logical and makes as much sense as what this entire thread is about.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 08:32 AM
    cauin
    Comment on smoothy's post
    Listen, you don't know me, and you don't have enough information to go on to think that I'm a bullsh*er. If you do then bear in mind that you're in a situation where you can make any absurd judgement about my level relative to other candidates, and not be accountable for it because it's entirely a game you are playing in your mind, and not very well either. You don't know how I compare to other people on my degree to say I'm a bullsh*er. The fact that I completed 2 years of my degree is the best you have to go on. You know nothing. You don't know what the modules were. You don't know the specifics of what it took to pass each. You know nothing, so don't go saying I'm a bullsh*er.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 08:33 AM
    martinizing2

    If the OP is not a troll,

    I now believe in reincarnation. You cannot get that selfish, spoiled, arrogant , and confused in a single lifetime.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 08:34 AM
    cauin
    Comment on smoothy's post
    The fact is most people on the degree don't know things relevant to the work place.. I knew more than most and people came to me for help with stuff a lot, because of my knowledge, but for the workplace, we are all rather clueless. You don't know how people felt about the degree. You don't know what kind of university it was, all you have are guesses. And bad ones.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 08:37 AM
    smoothy
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    The fact is most people on the degree don't know things relevant to the work place.. I knew more than most and people came to me for help with stuff a lot, because of my knowledge, but for the workplace, we are all rather clueless. You don't know how people felt about the degree. You don't know what kind of university it was, all you have are guesses. and bad ones.

    Really... You have this special insight just how... Being I have a university Degree... I've been in the workforce for 30 years... and I've had a hand in hiring more than a few people. And none of the people I've given a thumbs up to have turned out to be bad choices.

    Also...

    I have a job... you don't,

    I granduated college... you haven't.

    I paid for my own college... you are whinning because you don't want to.


    I will agree you and your friends are rather clueless... and that's not unusual, because none of you have been in that specific sector of the workforce. You don't have experience yet. As far as the none of you know the relivant work related stuff, that's also correct. College doesn't teach you the job... it gives you a foundation to build on when you do get a job so you are able to learn what you need specific to that job. And over several decades and several jobs that work specific knowledge will grow to something significant, and of value to employers.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 08:41 AM
    martinizing2
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ;cauin
    I knew more than most and people came to me for help with stuff a lot, because of my knowledge, but for the workplace,we are all rather clueless.


    Now that makes sense. One in a row. You're improving already!

    Bet you're glad you came.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 08:45 AM
    cauin
    Comment on smoothy's post
    How do I have this special insight? It's not special insight. I was THERE on the degree talking to people and passed two years of it. You're a joker. A complete ignoramous. You think being on the degree we didn't know? Fool. Yes there are bull*shers, and people that con their way through, and if you knew about hiring and had any common sense, you'd know that you have to know the field to weed them out. And ask them questions on the subject, then you see straight away. This is common sense. I remember somebody joking with me because one guy that got the degree went to a job interview and couldn't do a simple thing that anybody withsuch a degree would be expected to know. Sure there are BShers, and they can be found out. But you don't find out without asking questions on the field. You may be good at your job or jobs of hiring people but I hope you didn't do it this way. You need to know your field to question the candidate or you're useless. Do you deny that?
  • Mar 4, 2011, 08:51 AM
    martinizing2

    What is your field?

    Maybe you can impress us with some display of your knowledge, by answering a question or two.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 08:53 AM
    joypulv
    Using Answer is how this site is arranged. The comment section is limited, and is meant for very short remarks from people other than the OP (original poster).

    From the little I know about Aspergers, I do think I understand some of what you are going through, but I also understand how relatives might be reduced to tears over you. Although symptoms vary widely, being set in ways, limited in multiple task ability, and reclusive are some that are common. I don't think you are aware of how absurd your blame is. Learn more about the syndrome and work with a therapist on how to manage your life without blaming anyone. You might have problems with most jobs anyway, although I just saw a TV segment about a very rich hedge fund guy with Aspergers who works at home all alone. In other words, brains aren't the problem, social skills are. Many people with Aspergers do well with numbers.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 08:55 AM
    Synnen

    I WORK in a college. In administration.

    I hear from people like you ALL the time. Usually when they're failing out because they couldn't keep their act together.

    If you have Asperger's, you are eligible for accommodations in the US. If you haven't reached out to your ADA Coordinator to get them, then that is YOUR fault.

    Your parents have absolutely ZERO obligation to put you through school. NONE. Nada. Zilch.

    With that obligation missing, you can sue all you want--but you're not going to win. No court is going to award you money for something that was not their obligation in the first place.

    Your analogies suck, by the way. It is the obligation of the people mopping the floor to warn others that it might be slippery. It is the obligation of the driver to pay attention to pedestrians.

    It is NOT the obligation of parents to pay for post-secondary schooling of their adult children.

    At this point--I WANT you to sue though. I want you to be out THAT money, plus lose your family, and get a healthy dose of reality along with it.

    You are making excuses for why YOU failed. Yes---YOU ARE THE ONE WHO FAILED. That falls on absolutely no one else. If you were struggling, there were people at the school you could have talked to for help. If you didn't do so, that is YOUR fault.

    Get over it, get a crappy job, and then go back to school to finish your degree.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 09:12 AM
    cauin
    Comment on Synnen's post
    But puilling the rug from their feet AT SAME FINANCIAL COST is something else.. I know it seems the law doesn't go into such things. But it is a wrong for sure. And it's unfortunate that the law doesn't address it
  • Mar 4, 2011, 09:13 AM
    smoothy
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    How do I have this special insight? It's not special insight. I was THERE on the degree talking to people and passed two years of it. You're a joker. A complete ignoramous. You think being on the degree we didn't know? Fool. Yes there are bull*shers, and people that con their way through, and if you knew about hiring and had any common sense, you'd know that you have to know the field to weed them out. And ask them questions on the subject, then you see straight away. This is common sense. I remember somebody joking with me 'cos one guy that got the degree went to a job interview and couldn't do a simple thing that anybody withsuch a degree would be expected to know. Sure there are BShers, and they can be found out. But you don't find out without asking questions on the field. You may be good at your job or jobs of hiring people but I hope you didn't do it this way. You need to know your field to question the candidate or you're useless. Do you deny that?



    Oh... 2 years and talking with your friends you have it ALL figured out? Really...


    Then why in the hell aren't you independently wealthy and retired at your young age yet?

    Or maybe you don't know a fraction of what you THINK you know.

    I own Property in Two Countries... I've worked successful carreers on two countries... I've learned to speak four languages... earned the right to live and work in Two countries... AS I wish... I have numerous vehicles resitered and at my disposal that I own in two countries. I have money stashed in Two countries...

    But you haven't even been able to support yourself and pay your own bills yet in one and you know everything. And Hanent even been able to finish college.

    THey have a word for people like you. Its Blowhard. THere are others... but they are too vulgar to type here.


    You don't know jack squat until you have been in the workforce. And you don't have to have a PHD in a specific field to spot a big talker... there are VERY, VERY few who can pull that off. People can tell by HOW you use certain words... not that you even know what they mean. Anyone can learn a vocabulary list. It takes time to learn to use them in a way that experienced people would. When You don't... it betrays your lack of experience. Use them in the wrong context... it betrays your lack of experience, Use wrong words at the wrong time, even if technically they are correct.. it beltrays your lack of experience.

    There is a saying... can you talk the talk, and walk the walk?

    And you DO know people that think they can fool others... ever groups has at least one. Some are fairly good at it, others aren't.

    Prospective employers don't expect you to know everything out of college... but they will single out the big talkers as well as the obviously unqualified long before the list of prospective people are initially interviewed... and to further restrict those who do interview to narrow down the possible candidates.

    You might be able to impress your friends... but you DO put off people that really are experts in the field.

    There is a difference between confidence... and arrogance. The former is good, the lattter is bad.
  • Mar 4, 2011, 09:15 AM
    smoothy
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    But puilling the rug from their feet AT SAME FINANCIAL COST is something else.. I know it seems the law doesn't go into such things. But it is a wrong for sure. And it's unfortunate that the law doesn't address it

    There is nothing wrong... because no such entitlement exists, or ever existed. In fact at 18, they could have simply told you to get a job and move out... you legally aren't entitled to live there for free once you are an adult. Be thankful you only have one year of education to pay for yourself... some of us have had to pay for ALL of our educations. And we don't blame our parents for it.

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