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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:

That's the mantra, isn't it? The FACT that he disclosed his birth certificate isn't enough. I can't imagine what other stuff you think he's hiding. The only thing I have to prove I'm an American is my birth certificate. What? You have others??? You do??? Why are you hiding them?

excon

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He hasn't yet disclosed an original ( or copy ) of one. What was given out as proof was a short form that has no details other then I was born here. The long form would have where the birth was and times and doctors etc or in the case of a home birth it would have the names of witnesses. Its not just the birth certificate. Its more of a package deal.

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Originally Posted by robertimlah

can a single mother give birth to a us citizen while living or travelling abroad?

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As has been stated all over the Internet, only under certain circumstances which don't apply to this case.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

... Do you sincerely believe Obama was born outside this country and has lied about it for years ...[/I], 07/29/09)

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No one knows the answer to the first question (was he born outside the U.S.), but the significant facts that bear upon this question are:

tending to support the Hawaii-birth theory

1. The newspaper birth announcements
2. The lack of any credible evidence that his mother left Hawaii during the time, or was ever in Kenya

tending to support the outside-U.S. birth theory

1. It was, under some circumstances, possible to get a CLB in Hawaii even if you weren't born there.
2. The Obama campaign's posting online of doctored versions CLBs, including the wrong hospital in Honolulu.
3. BO's refusal to disclose the "long form" / "vault copy". He is hiding something, it appears.

As to the second question, whether he has lied about it for years, I suspect he has. Even if he was born in Honolulu (I tend to suspect he was), my guess is that his official paper trail since then contains questionable, fraudulent activity on his part. For example:
1. School financial aid applications: did he claim to be an Indonesian citizen so as to get into college, etc?
2. Did he travel to Pakastan on an Indonesian passport?

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Originally Posted by ebaines

There contiues to be misinformation out there about his birth cerytificate. Obama has in fact produced it - he did this before the election. You can see it for yourself here:
FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.
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That was not his birth certificate.

That was a document of live birth that Hawaii offers even when you are not born in Hawaii.
Just like Larry Summers got the honorary Native American token and now he claims to be Indian.

There is NO proof Obama was born in Hawaii.
I believe his grandmother even said he was not born in Hawaii and
Notice how he went to great lengths to keep his brother, grandmother and other family members quiet?

Although I do not believe it is important where he was born because like with everything else they would just simply change the rules for him
Because that is what they are about >change<

I can't believe the Obama citizenship issue is still being debated after all this time. It should be put to rest and focus on the economy and getting the massive deficit under control. I did some research and found that if two U.S. citizens give birth to their child outside of the U.S. the child is still considered a U.S. citizen. Example - C. Douglas Dillon, Treasury secretary under JFK was born in Geneva, Switzerland, but was still considered a U.S. citizen.

But C. Douglas Dillion isn't considered born here nor is he President.
Arnold Schwertzneger had to become a citizen before he became Mayor or whatever he is but he wasn't born here.
To become President you have to be born here.
At least until now anyway

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Originally Posted by earl237

I can't believe the Obama citizenship issue is still being debated after all this time. It should be put to rest and focus on the economy and getting the massive deficit under control. I did some research and found that if two U.S. citizens give birth to their child outside of the U.S., the child is still considered a U.S. citizen. Example - C. Douglas Dillon, Treasury secretary under JFK was born in Geneva, Switzerland, but was still considered a U.S. citizen.

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Was Obama's father a US citizen ? I don't see that its clear he was.

And when he attended school in another country to do so required him to give up his US citizenship. So he therefor would be a naturalized citizen and no longer natural born. That's where the contreversy comes in.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

And when he attended school in another country to do so required him to give up his US citizenship.

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Hello again, dad:

Not true. Not true. Not true. But, FACTS don't seem to deter this crowd.

You linked us to this new forged birth certificate. I wonder what you have to say about that. How come you're not talking. What are you hiding? You seem to think HIS is fake, but all the ones you produce to prove it, ARE fake.

Doesn't THAT deter you?? Nope?? I didn't think so.

excon

So then where is his REAL one??

Hello saph:

In Hawaii and on the internet. Plus, he's probably got a copy or two at home.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:

Not true. Not true. Not true. But, FACTS don't seem to deter this crowd.

You linked us to this new forged birth certificate. I wonder what you have to say about that. How come you're not talking. What are you hiding? You seem to think HIS is fake, but all the ones you produce to prove it, ARE fake.

Doesn't THAT deter you???? Nope??? I didn't think so.

excon

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The link I posted was to show that it is still in the news. It seems so many are still on the fence as to the legal definition of him qualifying to be president. I let things speak for themsleves. But as you can see by the news story this is still considered a current event. Why can't this thing just be settled and we can all go on knowing rather then guessing or hoping it will end correctly. Some here seem to have the impression that this whole thing was dead but the story shows its still alive and out there.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello saph:

In Hawaii and on the internet. Plus, he's probably got a copy or two at home.

excon

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If you really believe the long form is posted on the internet somewhere then please post a link to it. I haven't seen it yet and would like to see it with my own eyes. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

I havent seen it yet and would like to see it with my own eyes.

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And that will convince you?

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Originally Posted by califdadof3

If you really believe the long form is posted on the internet somewhere then please post a link to it. I havent seen it yet and would like to see it with my own eyes. Thanks.

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Hello dad:

Please go to your own state department of records or whoever it is that keeps those records. Go to the request records page, and please display for us the part of the application where it asks if you want the LONG form or the SHORT form. In the absence of that, please refer us to ANY page where it differentiates the LONG form from the SHORT form.

If you can't do that, please go to the Hawaii web site and refer us to ANY mention of a LONG form birth certificate as opposed to the SHORT form. If you can't do that, you're just making up stuff..

I STILL want to know your reaction to the FAKE birth certificate you linked us too, and WHY you're not embarrassed about sending us there. I want to know WHY upon learning that THAT one is fake, you make no mention of it, and continue to rant and rave...

I don't know. If it was me, and I sent you to a fake place to prove what I said was true, and you caught me, I'd SHUTUP about it.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello dad:

Please go to your own state department of records or whoever it is that keeps those records. Go to the request records page, and please display for us the part of the application where it asks if you want the LONG form or the SHORT form. In the absence of that, please refer us to ANY page where it differentiates the LONG form from the SHORT form.

If you can't do that, please go to the Hawaii web site and refer us to ANY mention of a LONG form birth certificate as opposed to the SHORT form. If you can't do that, you're just making up stuff..

I STILL wanna know your reaction to the FAKE birth certificate you linked us too, and WHY you're not embarrassed about sending us there. I wanna know WHY upon learning that THAT one is fake, you make no mention of it, and continue to rant and rave...

I dunno. If it was me, and I sent you to a fake place to prove what I said was true, and you caught me, I'd SHUTUP about it.

excon

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As far as where I sent you with the other link I was illustrating the fact that the issue hasn't died and keeps coming back. Real / Fake whatever. I put it out there to show its current.


Now onto the second part. This is what Obama has posted as his birth certificate ( the short form )

http://www.obamacrimes.com/BO_July_B...ificate-sm.jpg


This is what a long form from that time frame looks like. Its very different and has the information on it.

http://www.obamacrimes.com/hawaii-bi...te-1963-sm.jpg


Do you have the link to the one that is the long form of the supposed obama birth certificate ? Please post it. Trust me Im not afraid to look.



Lol

Que up the music they play when someone lost on the Price is Right.

Blogger: I created Kenya document

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Originally Posted by spitvenom

Que up the music they play when someone lost on the Price is Right.

Blogger: I created Kenya document

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We already determined it was a fake days ago. As seen it still continues. Any lock on finding the Hawaii one ?


The music plays on...