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Originally Posted by tickle

It is all documented here. You posted as the fiance asking questions, then posted you were the ex.

You can't ask a question from both sides unless someone posts as the ex and you post as the fiance.

Sorry, you have lost your credibility here, so no sense in trying to justify yourself.

No one, no expert is going to take their time to give you what you want. We are all volunteers here.

I think this thread should be closed, Scottgem.

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Ok sorry that I misunderstood how this website works. Didn't get much help anyway. More of people calling me a liar then anything and to me the opinions of "volunteers" don't mean much to me. Im sorry that this website isn't a good place for legal advice. Maybe if you focused more on the questions asked then the story behind them you would be more successful and wouldn't have time to waste on something as stupid as miscommunication. On that note... I will no longer need this thread as I got no help from it anyway. Delete it if you please.

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Originally Posted by crowe90

Ok sorry that i misunderstood how this website works. Didnt get much help anyways. More of people calling me a liar then anything and to me the opinions of "volunteers" dont mean much to me. Im sorry that this website isnt a good place for legal advice. Maybe if you focused more on the questions asked then the story behind them you would be more successful and wouldnt have time to waste on something as stupid as miscommunication. On that note...i will no longer need this thread as i got no help from it anyways. Delete it if you please.

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Many times we can't answer the questions asked without knowing the story or the facts. People called you a liar because you were caught red handed being untruthful. You didn't get much help because you still have not told us the truth.

As far as this site being a good place for legal advice, I stand by our record. We have heled thousands of people when they have given us the facts and not tried to play games.

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Originally Posted by ScottGem

I won't say you lied, but you were untruthful. In your first post you said you were the father's fiancee andl asked if the mother could keep the child from the father. In another, later post you indicated you were the mother asking if the father could keep the child from you. You may not have thought it was a lie because you didn't realize that would would connect the threads. But you were not being truthful.



I do understand why you did it. I also understand you didn't realize we would connect the posts and catch you at it. But the problem is you STILL haven't told us what the truth is.

As for getting an unbased opinion read what Fr_Chuck said. Look at the questions we asked. We asked for facts so that we could give you a legally correct and accurate answer. Frankly I resent that you think our answers would be anything else.

The bottom line here is that you tried to fool us. Don't deny it because you have admitted to it. You asked two different questions and it, at least one of them, you were untruthful about who you are. You tried to fool us because you mistakenly thought it would get you different answers. We don't like people who try to fool us. there have been too many who have tried in the past. So, I will once more ask you what is the truth? Who are you really, the mother or the fiancee? Only then can we go forward and give you an answer.

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Obviously I am the fiancé since I've told you I asked from the mothers point of view. And stated that she was with him when his wrist got fractured. I came to this site seeking guidenence not drama. Thanks for focusing on pointless information when all I was doing was reaching out for help.

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Originally Posted by crowe90

Obviously i am the fiance since ive told you i asked from the mothers point of view. And stated that she was with him when his wrist got fractured. I came to this site seeking guidenence not drama. Thanks for focusing on pointless information when all i was doing was reaching out for help.

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No it is not so obvious when you you start being untruthful. And, yet again, the drama was caused by you trying to fool us. Don't try to shift the blame on us. You want us to understand why you did what you did, but you refuse to understand why we reacted the way we did.

Ok, So lets look at the facts:

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Originally Posted by crowe90

1.she has physical control of him
2.No custody order
3.child support has been established and payed up.
4.Father is on birth certificate
5 no parent is a physical threat
6.neither parent has criminal history.

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Since she has physical control and absent a court order for visitation there is nothing the father can do but go to court to establish visitation. If she has been withholding visitation without a good reason, the courts will take note of that.

This is the answer originally given I would give the same answer were the mother asking, but I would advise her to allow visitation because the courts will look on her better for it.

The father will not get visitation totally on his terms. The courts will look for a compromise. A reasonable compromise will be alternate weekends, maybe with some evenings if you live close enough, with alterating school holidays once the chld becomes school age.

You mentioned you have filed for custody and visitation. Therefore you now have to go through with this process and see what the courts order.

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Originally Posted by ScottGem

No it is not so obvious when you you start off being untruthful. And, yet again, the drama was caused by you trying to fool us. Don't try to shift the blame on us..

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I was NOT trying to fool you. If that's how you wouldve answered tge questions then you shouldve just answered it. I was NOT trying to lie. If that's how you see it then fine. Got more trouble than help anyway.

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Originally Posted by crowe90

I was NOT trying to fool you. If thats how you wouldve answered tge questions then you shouldve just answered it. I was NOT trying to lie. If thats how you see it then fine. Got more trouble than help anyways.

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All right you want to continue this. You are in denial. The simple fact,as you have admitted, is you posted once saying you are the fiancée. You posted again, saying you are the mother. You wanted to see if you would get different answers if you were the mother. Ergo, you tried to fool us. You may have not being trying to lie, you may not have understood that you would be caught telling two different stories and you cleary didn't understand the reactions and ramificiations of doing so. But to continue to deny this just makes matters worse. Again, you want us to understand where you are coming from, but refuse to understand where we are coming from.

You got more trouble because you weren't truthful with us. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

And the reason I didn't answer the question that way is because YOU muddied the waters by trying to fool us. Had you not done so you would have had your answer a few hours ago.

We were not the problem here. Until you realize that you will continue to be bitter and not get anymore help.

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Alright you want to continue this. You are in denial. the simple fact,as you have admitted, is you posted once saying you are the fiancee. You posted again, saying you are the mother. You wanted to see if you would get different answers if you were the mother. Ergo, you tried to fool us. You may have not being trying to lie, you may not have understood that you would be caught telling two different stories and you cleary didn't understand the reactions and ramificiations of doing so. But to continue to deny this just makes matters worse. Again, you want us to understand where you are coming from, but refuse to understand where we are coming from.

You got more trouble because you weren't truthful with us. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

And the reason I didn't answer the question that way is because YOU muddied the waters by trying to fool us. Had you not done so you would have had your answer a few hours ago.

We were not the problem here. Until you realize that you will continue to be bitter and not get anymore help.

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Really? You're still concerned about if I was lying or not. You've talked to me more about "fooling" you then anything else. I began looking up similar questions to mine and upon reserch through THIS site I noticed quite different answers. Seeing this I asked from the other point of view so I could see the differences. If they came back as different then I would not use the advice from this website. As a new user I was skeptical since I had seen multiple answers for the same question because of the wording. I shouldn't even have to explain myself. If you think that my questions were bull then you shouldn't have answered and I would not have given this post a second glance. I admitted to posting it and gave an honest reply as to why I asked it from another point of view. I wasn't trying to pose as the mother or trying to cause anybody trouble. My question has been answered to the best of you're ability yet you still are concerned about me "fooling"you. Drop it and move on to another question. You're wasting both or our time.

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Originally Posted by crowe90

Really? Youre still concerned about if i was lying or not. Youve talked to me more about "fooling" you then anything else. I began looking up similar questions to mine and upon reserch through THIS site i noticed quite different answers. Seeing this i asked from the other point of view so i could see the differences. If they came back as different then i would not use the advice from this website. As a new user i was skeptical since i had seen multiple answers for the same question because of the wording. I shouldnt even have to explain myself. If you think that my questions were bull then you shouldnt have answered and i would not have given this post a second glance. I admitted to posting it and gave an honest reply as to why i asked it from another point of view. I wasnt trying to pose as the mother or trying to cause anybody trouble. My question has been answered to the best of youre ability yet you still are concerned about me "fooling"you. Drop it and move on to another question. Youre wasting both or our time.

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So sign off so you don't waste any more of your time.

And retain an Attorney.

And please don't even attempt to decide who should and who should not answer you and in what fashion.

We don't have this problem - you do.

That alone says something.

Apparently when caught righteous indignation is always worth a try!

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Originally Posted by crowe90

Really? Youre still concerned about if i was lying or not. Youve talked to me more about "fooling" you then anything else.

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Lets look at post #24. I explained (yet again) about your actions here. But then I said "Ok, So lets look at the facts:" and proceeded to answer your question. In your response (#25) YOU continued to mention the fooling issue, I was ready to drop it. So in my response (#26) I noted that YOU wanted to continue. Instead of acknowledging the advice I gave you continue to deny the obvious. If you don't want to talk about it anymore than drop it. I was ready to.

What I see here is you were caught at attempting to fool us. There is no denying it because you admitted it. But you continue to try to argue about it because (IMHO), you are embarrassed about being caught at it. You keep trying to shift the blame on use for what you did. And its not working nor will it work. Anyone reviewing this thread can see the truth because it's there in black and white. So take the good advice you have been given and stop trying to deny the obvious.

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Originally Posted by ScottGem

Lets look at post #24. I explained (yet again) about your actions here. But then I said "Ok, So lets look at the facts:" and proceeded to answer your question. In your response (#25) YOU continued to mention the fooling issue, I was ready to drop it. So in my response (#26) I noted that YOU wanted to continue. Instead of acknowledging the advice I gave you continue to deny the obvious. If you don't want to talk about it anymore than drop it. I was ready to.

What I see here is you were caught at attempting to fool us. There is no denying it because you admitted it. But you continue to try to argue about it because (IMHO), you are embarrassed about being caught at it. You keep trying to shift the blame on use for what you did. And its not working nor will it work. Anyone reviewing this thread can see the truth because its there in black and white. So take the good advice you have been given and stop trying to deny the obvious.

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Hahaha I'm not embarrassed about anything. You should be embarrassed

Since you refuse to accept your actions and since you have now resorted to insults and vulgarity {removed} to cover up your embarrassment over your actions, there is no point in allowing this to continue.

CLOSED!