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Originally Posted by knowwereman222

I see you state your a computer expert. What is your knowledge of the law did you study to be a lawyer/ You are correct in stating that she does not have to let me see them. I how ever make life difficult for her. She use TV cable coax when the kids act of up I will stay on her like white on rice. We can provide a better life for the children( Boy and a girl) if left with the mother the girl will be like her half sister who was pregnant at six because mom let her boy live in the house and in the same bed

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We may not be lawyers but we can study and give opinion on laws that are on the books and speak from knowlage and experiences we have gathered as a group.

Read it for yourself :
grandparent visitation rights new york and the const. New York Divorce and Family Law, the definitive site about divorce, child support and custody.. New York Divorce and Family Law, the definitive site about divorce, child support and custody.

JudyKaytee, ScottGem, Stinawords and many many others have done their best to answer your questions and it seems all you want to do is argue credentials. So I posted a link for you to look at yourself. Understand that your " RIGHTS " as grandparents is limited in te Great State of New York. It's that simple. So your best way to proceed is to get your son to become responsible for his own doings. If he wants to see his children the " he " is the one that needs to do it and not you for him. If he can't afford 4 children in his life then he shouldn't have been with a fertile woman and knowingly caus her to have a child. Its time for YOUR child to start taking responsibility for his own life and stop wiping up after his mistakes. I know you miss your grandchildren and its very hard to be on the outside but the real truth is " he " ( your son ) is the one causing this mess. Make him responsible or get over it.

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listen I am not refuting what you have said. I was fun making of what you said because of that fact that left off the teen part on sixteen. My son is in fact is on our side and will do what he has to do with regards to the kids. Do you how I can get copies of the CPS reports of the ones that were founded

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You are - in theory - paying an Attorney and your attempts to go around him/her are only going to hurt you and make you look obsessive and interfering and emphasize your argumentative nature and absolutely lack of understanding of the law and this particular situation.

LET YOUR ATTORNEY DO HIS/HER JOB, UNIMPEDED!

Advice stops here and signature begins.

First, you have tried to refute what I've said or at least question it. Second, One responder read only yout typo and made a mistake in not reviewing other posts. But that was no reason attack him on it. That attack was removed because it violated the rules of this site.

The link califdad gave contains a lot of good information. But one thing leapt out at me. That was the point that natural parents will take precedence unless there is a fitness issue. That means that trying to terminate your son's rights even though he may agree, is going to cause issues with your petition and could result in it being dismissed.

If he applies for custody and can prove her unfit he stands a better chance of winning. Once he gets custody, he can then have you appointed as guardians.

But your focus should be on proving the mother unfit. Your son (not you) or his attorney can contact the local CPS office to get the records from previous incidents.

I think you should listen to the advice you're heard because everyone here is trying to be helpful. And if you have a lawyer already one has to wonder why you are here in the first place.

Anyway, family law can vary quite a bit from state to state, both procedurally and substantively (although there is a good deal of similarity across the country) and some people on the board are more familiar with local practice than others. I practice in California so if a person asking a question here is in California I'm quick to jump right in. As to other states I'm a bit more careful about what I say and offer a general summary of how we do things here as an example of what might occur elsewhere and I tend to leave it at that. Others often chime in with more specific info on local practice and they're the ones to listen to. And, frankly, if you are in New York, Judy is the one to be listening to. Just a word to the wise.

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I think you should listen to the advice you're heard because everyone here is trying to be helpful. And if you have a lawyer already one has to wonder why you are here in the first place.

Anyway, family law can vary quite a bit from state to state, both procedurally and substantively (although there is a good deal of similarity across the country) and some people on the board are more familar with local practice than others. I practice in California so if a person asking a question here is in California I'm quick to jump right in. As to other states I'm a bit more careful about what I say and offer a general summary of how we do things here as an example of what might occur elsewhere and I tend to leave it at that. Others often chime in with more specific info on local practice and they're the ones to listen to. And, frankly, if you are in New York, Judy is the one to be listening to. Just a word to the wise.

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Thank I just wanted make sure was not dealing people who were just guessing thank you

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thank I just wanted make sure was not dealing people who were just guessing thank you

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We take a lot of pride in the accuracy of our advice here. People who just guess at answers are quickly corrected and generally don't last long.

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We take a lot of pride in the accuracy of our advice here. People who just guess at answers are quickly corrected and generally don't last long.

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I have seen the light. From what you are telling me shouldn't the Judge have dismissed this case at the first meeting. Should we drop our petion and have my son refile for custody. I am concerned for my grandchildren safety please advise

No I don't see them dismissing, but, by you petitioning for custody, you tie the judges hands more. I would have your son refile. What does your attorney say about this?

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No I don't see them dismissing, but, by you petitioning for custody, you tie the judges hands more. I would have your son refile. what does your attorney say about this?

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I have an appointment with him Wednesday of next week. My son and his x both are going handled threw the public defenders office
Please explain how I am tying the judges hands Is the reports at CPS public information
thank you I am begaining to better understand

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Please explain how I am tying the judges hands Is the reports at CPS public information
thank you I am begaining to better understand

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I thought we had explained this. Family courts want to defer to the natural parents. The law tells them to lean that way. So by trying to get custody for yourselves, you make it harder for the judge. Having your son petititon for custody gives the judge more reason to grant him custody.

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I thought we had explained this. Family courts want to defer to the natural parents. The law tells them to lean that way. So by trying to get custody for yourselves, you make it harder for the judge. Having your son petititon for custody gives the judge more reason to grant him custody.

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I give up i ask questions and only get some of them answered i had asked if cps. Records where public and all you addressed was my question about how i was tying the judges hands. While you have helped and a degree confused me even more have nice night day day and everything in between

Huh? You need to review your own posts before you start making false accusations. In post # 19 you asked; "Do you how I can get copies of the CPS reports of the ones that were founded". In post #23 I responded to question with the statement; "Your son (not you) or his attorney can contact the local CPS office to get the records from previous incidents."
In your last post (# 31) you quote my post #30 which was a response to your post #29. In #29 you stated you were seeing your atty on Wednesday and asked how you were tying the judges hands, which was a reference to my post #28. In post #30 I responded to that question.
But in post #31 you criticize by saying only some of your questions are answered. You specifically state that you asked if CPS records were public (which wasn't what you actually asked) and that I answered only the question about tying hands.
If you have been confused its only because you can't keep track of what you asked and what we responded to. We have, in fact tried very hard to help you, doing some research for you and answering what you asked.
But I'm done now. Depsite our efforts to help you, all you have done is question, criticize and insult. I'm not going to wate anymore of my time on you.

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I give up i ask questions and only get some of them answered I HAD ASKED IF CPS. RECORDS WHERE PUBLIC AND ALL YOU ADDRESSED WAS MY QUESTION ABOUT HOW I WAS TYING THE JUDGES HANDS. WHILE YOU HAVE HELPED AND A DEGREE CONFUSED ME EVEN MORE HAVE NICE NIGHT DAY DAY AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN

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You shouted so I'm shouting back: YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY. STOP INTERFERRING AND MEDDLING AND MAKING YOURSELF LOOK FOOLISH. LET THE ATTORNEY HANDLE THIS. THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR.

Time to close this thread before OP's head explodes!

Thread closed since the OP doesn't seem to really want help