Disagree. It is not that short people are not attractive. It is the difference between what is a global look versus a local look. You market them differently.

I think these "conventions" are called "cattle calls."

I agree. I can tell you are successful in this industry by your choice of words. Good for you! You have what it takes!

I'm not in this industry. I read a lot. The last thing I would do is sell my soul as a model.

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I'm not in this industry. I read a lot. The last thing I would do is sell my soul as a model.

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You are absolutely right. In order to do well in any industry or profession you have to have passion for it.

And the look they want and the money to put out for all the incidentals and the brains to not get railroaded in some way...

My passion is elsewhere. To each his own.

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and the look they want and the money to put out for all the incidentals and the brains to not get railroaded in some way..............

My passion is elsewhere. To each his own.

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You should always follow your passions. It would not be smart for you to get into the modeling industry if you are not interested.

I have followed my passions all my life. Maybe in the next life with a perfect body I can get into the modeling industry.

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I have followed my passions all my life. Maybe in the next life with a perfect body I can get into the modeling industry.

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You don't have to have a perfect body to get into the entertainment industry. If you are trying to get into high fashion modeling , well , then , yes , you have to have a perfect body. But, if you are interested in other aspects of the business there are different types of opportunities available for you. If you are interested in learning more, write back and I can tell you some ways that are less expensive than going to a convention. And like I said before, the conventions only make sense for people with a global look or some unique talent. For local looks and talents there are different marketing approaches.

A global look?

Most women in this world are 5'6 and under, women who are 5'9 are a minority, hon. Maybe you are too hung up on looks, but that's the reality.

I have been in the industry and you don't have to have a "perfect" body... you have to be a "coat hanger"! Skinny is the word... clothes need to hang on you like a hanger. The "perfect" body would have bigger breasts and buns. Yes, you can be 5'2 as long as you aren't going after "catwalk" jobs, but you could just as well get jobs for commercials or ads... you just have to be photogenic.

The answer would still be... if you haven't been in the industry, a good place to start would be a actual modeling agency... not a place that will take your money no matter what you look like and give you false hope... been there, done that... and then got led into the right direction from a fellow model. Went right into an agency, they paid me for photo shoots and I got leads on jobs.


EDIT:: excon.. that was supposed to be a balancer... not saying YOU were wrong :)

Again Wise: Please stop abusing the rate system. You are not starting on the right foot here. If this continues, you will be reported for misuse of the system. If the admins agree... you could be banned from this site.
It is always fun to have a good debate... but keep it as that... when you disagree, trying to make rates go down, continuously on one person... that is considered harassment. If you disagree, but the poster has not been rude or offensive, you just need to place another post with your thoughts.

Thank you... and a better start from here.

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I have been through them.............RUN! Run very fast! Run very far! They are the biggest scam I have ever seen! They will persuade you out of sooooo much money.

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So, lets say you didn't pay a dime and you still didn't get picked would it be scam?

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Again Wise: Please stop abusing the rate system. You are not starting out on the right foot here. If this continues, you will be reported for misuse of the system. If the admins agree...you could be banned from this site.
It is always fun to have a good debate...but keep it as that...when you disagree, trying to make rates go down, continuously on one person....that is considered harassment. If you disagree, but the poster has not been rude or offensive, you just need to place another post with your thoughts.

Thank you....and a better start from here.

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There is nothing wrong with me disagreeing with you. My problem with your comments is that you are accusing a company of being a scam and you don't even understand the industry. If MSA was a scam how could they be in business for all these years. Don't you think they would be in jail by now? Take a look at JRP or John Casa Blanca or even Barbizon, don't you think they would all be out of business? But they are not. Why? Because they are a legit company. The problem is not these companies, but it is the perception of unknowledgeable people trying to get in the business and not understanding with what to do. If you are interested in being successful in the industry, I can help.

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I have been in the industry and you don't have to have a "perfect" body....you have to be a "coat hanger"! Skinny is the word....clothes need to hang on you like a hanger. The "perfect" body would have bigger breasts and buns. Yes, you can be 5'2 as long as you aren't going after "catwalk" jobs, but you could just as well get jobs for commercials or ads...you just have to be photogenic.

The answer would still be.....if you haven't been in the industry, a good place to start would be a actual modeling agency...not a place that will take your money no matter what you look like and give you false hope........been there, done that...and then got led into the right direction from a fellow model. Went right into an agency, they paid me for photo shoots and I got leads on jobs.


EDIT:: excon..that was supposed to be a balancer...not saying YOU were wrong :)

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You are right that you don't have to have a globally marketable look ( 5'9" and a size 3 or a unique talent) to get involved into the business. But you need to know how to market yourself. If you are a average person with looks or talents then it only makes sense to market yourself locally not at a convention or to agents other than local. At any rate, the model and talent still will be responsible to pay for their own photography, modeling classes, acting classes etc.

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A global look?

Most women in this world are 5'6 and under, women who are 5'9 are a minority, hon. Maybe you are too hung up on looks, but that's the reality.

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This industry is all about looks. If you have a global look, you would fall in the category along with Tyra Banks. Take a look at her models. None of them are 5'3". They are all high fashion models. These types of models have a particular niche in the industry and are the highest paid.

So where does the average model go? Certaintly, not to a convention but to local casting directos and agencies.

There is a market for all types models. You just need to know how to market yourself correctly and not blame other businesses for your mistakes.

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So, lets say you didn't pay a dime and you still didn't get picked would it be scam?

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Nope, that would be fair, everyone getting a fair chance, no one losing a bunch of money. Either way, charging out the butt just to get looked at, it's not illegal, just a scam, a ploy to make money, kind of like a lot of other legal things. Casinoes, etc... taking chances/risks for possible payoffs, however, it's not cool to pay for something and then be denied, that's why this is a scam, it's not illegal, just totally stupid and lame. This person will probably end up paying out the nose and not getting anything out of it, therefore, it's a scam, and not a good idea for them, and that's all there is to it. All the points of this argument have been explored, it's time for this thread to die.

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There is nothing wrong with me disagreeing with you. My problem with your comments is that you are accusing a company of being a scam and you don't even understand the industry. If MSA was a scam how could they be in business for all these years. Don't you think they would be in jail by now? Take a look at JRP or John Casa Blanca or even Barbizon, don't you think they would all be out of business? But they are not. Why? Because they are a legit company. The problem is not these companies, but it is the perception of unknowledgeable people trying to get in the business and not understanding with what to do. If you are interested in being successful in the industry, I can help.

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No, not anything wrong with a disagreement on the page. It is wrong when you attack someone with reddies! If you don't know the site and rules... don't use it

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So, lets say you didn't pay a dime and you still didn't get picked would it be scam?

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No it wouldn't... you have not given them anything for their nothing. It's when you give and get nothing in return. You mentioned Barbizon and such... you pay for your shoots with them, but you get what you paid for... not just empty promises. Please stop just blurting your opinion, open your eyes and read... I am in and have been in the industry. You keep noting that no one here is in the industry... where is your proof or backup to what you say? We have pointed the OP in the direction of websites so they can read for themselves and get the info they asked for, you on the other hand... it looks like all opinions.



Advice for OP: Go on Google... get the addresses to (real) agencies, take head and full body shots of yourself (not professional) and mail them... then just call and check in with them every-so-often.. it worked for me, and guess what... IT WAS FREE!!


I agree with Charlotte... THE END!

Couldn't spread the love again so soon rpg219. But, I just got to agree with you! :)