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  • Jul 27, 2007, 12:58 PM
    ceilingfanrepair
    Sounds like you need to get the specific replacement pullchain. What make is the fan?

    Ceiling fan pull chain replacement and repair - Ceiling Fans N More
  • Sep 3, 2007, 05:03 PM
    yachtdocktor
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by boojumm
    I just recently replaced a 4-wire (3-speed)
    ceiling fan switch on my ceiling fan. The chain had broken off inside the switch.
    After installing the new switch, the fan wouldn't turn
    at all. I have tried the swithes at all speeds
    and even went out and purchased another switch thinking the first one I bought may have been defective. I am certain I have the new switch wired the same as the old one as I cut off and restripped the wires (so the wires were still on the old switch).
    The fan still won't turn (however I can hear a hum in one of the switch positions).

    Am I missing something here? I am really stumped.

    PS. I've seen this same questions in other bulletin boards... But no fixes were offered. :(

    I am having the same problem. How did you fix it?
  • Sep 3, 2007, 07:27 PM
    donf
    Mak sure the correct wires are in use!!
    Can we please back-up a little. When you dropped the fan down, did you see 2 pairs of Black/White wires or just One? This is fairly critical.

    Do you own a volt meter? If so, Connect the red lead from the meter to one of the bare ground wires or the green ground wire if you have one. Once you find the correct wires, make sure you open the circuit breaker that supplies power to the fan.

    Connect the Black lead to one of the Black/white pairs in the overhead. Turn the switch "On". You shoulld see the meter deflect toward the 110 mark. If you get that, then turn the switch off and check the other Black/ White connection. You are looking for the black line that carries the voltage from the switch to the fan.

    If one B/W pair is dead, and the other is Hot all the time, you have disconnected the wall switch. If there is only 1 B/W pair then the load voltage is being delivered from the source to the switch to the fan.

    To reconnect the switch, tie both black wires together with a wire nut. Wrap a smll amount of black elctrical tape to the white wire coming from the switch to shw that this is no longer a Return wire. It a "Load" wire. Next, there should be a (1) Black and (1) Blue wire coming up from the fan's wiring harness. They both would be tied to the White wire with the black tape by a wire nut. Black = Fan Motor Power, Blue is for the light attachment. If you do not have a light attachment, do not use the blue wire.

    Tie the white from the fan to the white from the supply and wire nut them.

    Now turn on the breaker and wall switch. Work your pull chains until you get the fan going on high. Once you do that, then try the next two steps down. If every body works, you are a happy sailor. Remember to be very careful around electricity on a boat!
  • Sep 4, 2007, 05:13 PM
    ceilingfanrepair
    Again, all pullchains may look the same, and have the same wiring connections, but they are not the same. See:

    Ceiling fan pull chain replacement and repair - Ceiling Fans N More
  • Sep 15, 2007, 02:30 PM
    valjean1789
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by boojumm
    I just recently replaced a 4-wire (3-speed)
    ceiling fan switch on my ceiling fan. The chain had broken off inside the switch.
    After installing the new switch, the fan wouldn't turn
    at all. I have tried the swithes at all speeds
    and even went out and purchased another switch thinking the first one I bought may have been defective. I am certain I have the new switch wired the same as the old one as I cut off and restripped the wires (so the wires were still on the old switch).
    The fan still won't turn (however I can hear a hum in one of the switch positions).

    Am I missing something here? I am really stumped.

    PS. I've seen this same questions in other bulletin boards... But no fixes were offered. :(

    I recently replaced a ceiling fan switch. After reading the posts here, I was careful to replace the wires in the same positions on the new switch as they were on the old. When I turned the fan on , the slow medium and fast speeds worked when I pulled the chain. Unfortunately a fourth yank on the chain got me back to the fast speed. It doesn't shut off. Can anyone help? Should I try a different switch? Thanks
  • Sep 17, 2007, 07:42 AM
    ceilingfanrepair
    Yes it does sound like you have the incorrect switch. However having no off position is unusual. What make is the fan?
  • Sep 24, 2007, 01:36 PM
    rjhjmf
    The Hampton Bay fan probably has two capacitors (if it is like mine) and you need a special four wire three speed switch for this setup. I ended up going to a lighting store that sells Hunter/Hampton Bay products.
  • Sep 24, 2007, 09:08 PM
    ceilingfanrepair
    No lighting store sells Hampton Bay products.
  • Sep 29, 2007, 06:50 AM
    george3754
    I had the same problem, but found that terminal 1 and 2 were reversed.
  • Sep 29, 2007, 06:51 AM
    george3754
    I had the same problem, and found that terminal 1 and 2 were reversed in the construction. Reversing them fixed the problem.
  • Jan 12, 2008, 12:47 PM
    KennS
    I have the same problem exactly, Bought a 3 speed switch from Lowe's and installed it only to hear a jum from the motor in only one position. So I took the old switch apart and looked at the guts. My Fan is a Harbor Breeze built in about 1990. At least that is when I bought it. Seems that the switch I bought connects L with 1 or L with 2 or L with 3 but not all at the same time. The orginial switch will connect L with 1 then Lwith 1 and 2 and then l with 1,2,3. This switch was manufactured by DEfond with a part number of E72989. I have called several places only to be told they don't have it. I am still looking. The fan is good if only I could find the switch. For those of you that only have a broked chain, and the switch itself is good, drill out the two rivits and take it apart. It is easy to reinstall the chain end and then use either a small screw and nut to reassemble the switch. I had to do this several years back and it work until now. The switch housing is broken on my switch so I cannot use it at all.
  • Jan 12, 2008, 02:42 PM
    ceilingfanrepair
    Try CeilingFanParts.com Home they have all sorts of replacement switches.
  • Mar 13, 2008, 08:17 PM
    pattycee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by boojumm
    I just recently replaced a 4-wire (3-speed)
    ceiling fan switch on my ceiling fan. The chain had broken off inside the switch.
    After installing the new switch, the fan wouldn't turn
    at all. I have tried the swithes at all speeds
    and even went out and purchased another switch thinking the first one I bought may have been defective. I am certain I have the new switch wired the same as the old one as I cut off and restripped the wires (so the wires were still on the old switch).
    The fan still won't turn (however I can hear a hum in one of the switch positions).

    Am I missing something here? I am really stumped.

    PS. I've seen this same questions in other bulletin boards... But no fixes were offered. :(

    Holy Cow! The answers you got! It's a wonder you didn't electrocute yourself. There are two kinds of ceiling fan switches: Single Continuity and the other kind (as far as I know, it doesn't have a name). Now, if you got the single continuity switch and it didn't work, then you need the other kind. Good Luck. Since it's been over 2 years since you asked for help. LOL :D
  • Mar 13, 2008, 09:00 PM
    ceilingfanrepair
    Actually, there are a LOT MORE kinds of switches than that. See:

    Ceiling fan pull chain replacement and repair - Ceiling Fans N More
  • Apr 9, 2008, 11:49 AM
    sonny1972
    Not every fan takes the same switch. I sell about 14 different swithes for different fans. Internalley they are all different. There is know way to tell from the outside casing or numbers .I usually have to take to switch apart to tell the difference. Ihave been fixing fans for 20 years. Know I don't know everything but am pretty good.
  • Apr 9, 2008, 05:16 PM
    ceilingfanrepair
    Do you have a website?
  • May 8, 2008, 04:44 AM
    Uncle TDub
    I think I may be able to offer some help. I have just ran into the same problem and after shopping at 4 electrical supply houses,Home Depot and Lowe's yesterday, I think I have possibly found the solution.

    My old switch has L-Black, 1-Grey, 2-Brown, 3-Purple. But also the old switch when compared to the new ones I found have the L and 1 wires 180 degrees from each other (opposite) where the new have L and 1 - 90 degrees (adjacent). Checking the old switch best I could (it fell apart) with a meter tells me that it uses a combination of the 1,2 & 3 wires to change capacitor settings for the different speeds. (I.E. - one speed has continuity between 1,2&3)

    With that being said, the closest I found yesterday was manufactured by NSI and has the numbers 101 on it versus the 108 on the old switch. Part number LJY280A is the same on both. I am ordering the 108 switch today with hopes to solve mystery. FYI - C.E.D. electrical supply house is helping with ordering.

    Hope this helps.
  • May 8, 2008, 09:11 AM
    ceilingfanrepair
    The numbers on the casings often don't matter. It is matching up the contact pattern. The most common is L-1-2-3 individually like you mention.
  • Jun 1, 2008, 12:13 PM
    hectorprintex
    Ceiling Fan Switch Repair
  • Jun 1, 2008, 12:50 PM
    Uncle TDub
    I tried finding the switch to match my old one. No Luck. Even CeilingFanParts.com did not have the correct configuration. The fan I was working on was a Lowe's product as well. I finally took the new and old switches apart very carefully with a small screwdriver prying on the two plastic latches. Be careful as the spring loaded parts will fly. Put the new piece with the long chain back in the old casing with the correct switch and cam pattern and everything is working perfect.

    Uncle TDub
  • Jun 3, 2008, 10:28 PM
    ceilingfanrepair
    Did you try the manufacturer (Litex)?
  • Jul 16, 2008, 03:56 PM
    rdsatkaycee
    Update and I hope this can help someone. I also tried to replace my about 10 year old Hampton Bay ceiling fan switch. So went to Home Depot and didn't work. Wound up trying 3 of the same and to no avail. The sales people were of course no help. Finally called their help desk and had to dig out the model number and they said the company was no longer in business. I spent quite a bit of time on the inernet. Last Monday I'll bet I spent $15.00 in gas going to several electrical shops to no avail. Somewhere along the line I found out how to check the continuity and found the switch is: off, 3(hot)+1+2+L=High, 3+2+L=medium, and 3+1+L =low.
    I had given up on finding the switch. I read somewhere here that if you connect all four wires together you will have high speed. So I figured at the very least I could do this, then put a standard 2 way pull chain between the hot wire just to turn it off and on.
    So off to home depot to get the two way chain pull. While there I reviewed fan switches and noticed there was another three or four wire fan switch. HD personnel of course did not even talk about it the other day. So bought both of the pull chains and at home carefullly opened up the 4 position and then checked it with my volt meter and lo and behold. It was corrrect. Put that sucker in the fan and now its purring like a kitten; all 3 speeds.
    FYI, the switch that did not work was Westinghouse 77021 and the one that works is 77020.
    Hope this helps someone.
  • Jul 16, 2008, 05:57 PM
    ceilingfanrepair
    CeilingFanParts.com Home has all varieties of pull switches.

    No company is out of business, either, that I know of. Sounds like you found a lot of people that didn't know what they were talking about. Should have come here first.
  • Aug 5, 2008, 01:48 PM
    blgaddis
    ceiling fan 3 speed switch replacement.

    purchased new one, took off the old bad switch wiring as follows:

    L = RED
    1 = BLACK
    2 = BLUE
    4 = BLACK

    I rewired EXACTLY as came off the bad switch and as marked on the new switch, plug it in, pull the chain and NOTHING happens on ANY amount of puls.

    please help

    thanks
    barry
  • Aug 6, 2008, 12:31 PM
    ceilingfanrepair
    Where did you purchase it from? Not all 3 speed 4 wire switches are the same.

    Ceiling fan pull chain replacement and repair - Ceiling Fans N More
  • Aug 10, 2008, 05:56 PM
    munkeebutt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by boojumm
    I just recently replaced a 4-wire (3-speed)
    ceiling fan switch on my ceiling fan. The chain had broken off inside the switch.
    After installing the new switch, the fan wouldn't turn
    at all. I have tried the swithes at all speeds
    and even went out and purchased another switch thinking the first one I bought may have been defective. I am certain I have the new switch wired the same as the old one as I cut off and restripped the wires (so the wires were still on the old switch).
    The fan still won't turn (however I can hear a hum in one of the switch positions).

    Am I missing something here? I am really stumped.

    PS. I've seen this same questions in other bulletin boards... But no fixes were offered. :(

    I had the same problem and ended up taking the switch apart to find that it was very different.This switch connected all 4 wires together in high speed and dropped one leg for medium and another for low. Weird I know but true. I cannot find a manufacturer name anywhere but I do have a model and serial and phome number.
  • Aug 18, 2008, 08:15 PM
    ceilingfanrepair
    CeilingFanParts.com Home has all replacement pullchains.
  • Oct 10, 2008, 06:48 PM
    Darrell in VA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by boojumm View Post
    I just recently replaced a 4-wire (3-speed)
    ceiling fan switch on my ceiling fan. The chain had broken off inside the switch.
    After installing the new switch, the fan wouldn't turn
    at all. I have tried the swithes at all speeds
    and even went out and purchased another switch thinking the first one I bought may have been defective. I am certain I have the new switch wired the same as the old one as I cut off and restripped the wires (so the wires were still on the old switch).
    The fan still won't turn (however I can hear a hum in one of the switch positions).

    Am I missing something here? I am really stumped.

    PS. I've seen this same questions in other bulletin boards... But no fixes were offered. :(

    This is literally, word for word what I just experienced. I have read all of the comments and helpful replies, however, the problem I have, is that the replacement switch has exactly the same part number on it as the old switch. It says it's a ZING EAR, ZE-208S. It also has the number E-89885 on it. Again this old switch has the same number as the new switch. So if I try to get the "right" switch, they are going to just give me this one which I already know is the wrong switch. How do I get the right, right one?
  • Oct 11, 2008, 05:13 AM
    Stratmando

    Darrel, what colors do you have to what numbers?
  • Oct 11, 2008, 07:20 AM
    Darrell in VA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Stratmando View Post
    Darrel, what colors do you have to what numbers?

    Thanks for responding. I have these numbers:

    L = Purple
    1 = Grey
  • Oct 11, 2008, 07:21 AM
    Darrell in VA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Stratmando View Post
    Darrel, what colors do you have to what numbers?

    Thanks for responding. I have these numbers:

    L = Purple
    1 = Grey
    2 = Brown
    3 = Black
  • Oct 11, 2008, 02:15 PM
    Darrell in VA
    I finally got it to work. I just had to drill out the rivots on both the old one and new switch, and put the old cam into the new switch. This company who designed it was crazy. They changed from a three of four wires connected to one of four, and never even changed the part number. Fortunately for me, the cams were completely interchangeable with no alterations needed.
  • Oct 11, 2008, 05:04 PM
    Stratmando

    Thanks for toughing it out, When I run into a broken chain at the switch, I will dissassemble switch reconnect and snap switch together, It is tricky, and getting spring on the right side of some stop. As tough as it is, it is sometimes much easier than getting a replacement switch.
    Good Deal, Take Care
  • Oct 24, 2008, 11:19 PM
    ceilingfanrepair

    Those colors/numbers are not normal. I have:

    L - Black, 1 - Grey, 2 - Brown, 3 - Purple

    However it is clear the switches were not the same.

    Ceiling fan pull chain replacement and repair - Ceiling Fans N More
  • Dec 22, 2008, 08:42 PM
    BOSTONBOB1958

    I am having the same problem with a smc fan I tried 6 different switches finally I took the old switch apart totally different from the one home depot and Lowe's and the electric supply stores sold me. Sorry I can't give you the answer to your problem I just found mine out and will try to get the right switch tomorrow
  • Dec 22, 2008, 11:40 PM
    ceilingfanrepair

    Bob, once you get the right switch, it will work fine.

    This link may help you:

    Ceiling fan pull chain replacement and repair - Ceiling Fans N More
  • Dec 27, 2008, 02:05 PM
    Msmarilyna

    My ceiling fan light pull broke off. We replaced it but now I can't get the light to work directly from the ceiling fan, only from the wall switch. What did we do wrong?
  • Dec 27, 2008, 11:21 PM
    ceilingfanrepair

    You probably didn't wire it right.

    Did you follow these instructions here?

    Ceiling fan pull chain replacement and repair - Ceiling Fans N More
  • Jan 25, 2009, 12:00 AM
    IfixIt
    I have the same problem. The ceiling fan 3 speed pull chain switch broke in the FAST position and there is no way to slow the fan down. I went to Home Depot to get a replacement switch for the Hampton Bay fan but, although these fans are solely manufactured in China for Home Depot, they do not stock replacement switches. They have a universal 4 wire General Electric switch that they sell for these fans. I took one home and followed the instructions exactly; gray wire in the #1, purple wire in the #L, brown wire in the #2, and the black wire in the #3 position. Guess what? The switch does not work. I had to re-install the old switch to keep using the fan in fast speed. I returned this GE 4 wire switch and they gave me a different switch to try which is a 3 or 4 wire switch. I will try it out tomorrow and let you know how it goes. So far, the problem is that Home Depot manufactures this Hampton Bay fan but they do not provide the exact replacement switch for it.
  • Jan 25, 2009, 06:30 AM
    Stratmando

    In that case, I would forget about the switch, leave on high, and get a wall Speed Control.

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