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  • Nov 19, 2011, 03:54 PM
    donf
    FYI, my response was based on a very similar situation. The OP wanted to splice a welder off the same circuit. I flat out told him and cited the fact that if both devices were on there would be an over-current trip.

    I even took it a step further and used a situation where the dryer was installed in a location where the person using the dryer would not know that someone was using the welder.

    Regardless, the NEC it said was allowable in the code.

    It is not something I would ever advocate or do myself. But it is allowed.

    Please remember that this is a DIY site geared to residential installations, so more than likely the OP has no real idea what they are asking about.

    Also, I see no reason why you should not continue your discourses with Stan. We all learn when things get kicked around.

    Opinion Only.
  • Nov 20, 2011, 08:15 AM
    jamesdavino
    I don't question what a qualified electrician does, but I've seen homeowners DIY work and this is what scares me more than anything and I rather talk a homeowner into running dedicated circuits to avoid having an overcurrent issue especially when there are children in the house who could care less about maybe having the dryer on and using the tanning bed at the same time.. Hell, what do they know and now-a-days, the kids only care about themselves... I've seen what happens when you don't factor the human element into the equation. It's not a perfect world. This factor must be in the equation... Sorry guy's,Maybe I sound a little too adamant about this, it's because I am... Listen guy's , Stan, Don you guy's have a great Thanksgiving, I've got a TO DO LIST longer than my "TO DO"... JD
  • Nov 20, 2011, 01:51 PM
    tkrussell
    I am closing this thread.

    The original question is close to 2 years old.

    The simple issue is a receptacle circuit can serve multiple receptacles for convenience or utilization. IF for some reason, both devices are operated at the same time, the circuit is protected by a limiting device.

    While this is to be avoided if at all possible, the Code cannot be as specifically restrictive so as to make a building completely idiot proof.
    This is the human factor of the Code. Humans need the reasonable access to properly size and protected receptacles.

    There is no Code, engineering, or trade reason to not to use a specific circuit for a multiple purposes. The human that desires the convenience now needs to be responsible and understand their electrical system, and use it properly.

    The original poster even thought of a fusible disconnect to fuse that section of circuit specifically for the tanning bed.

    Unfortunate seems he did not get a reasonable answer back Jan 2010. Some questions do slip by. He asked the right question, how to splice the wires. I hope he got it right. No reason for him to buy a new costly breaker for an obsolete panel that should be changed. ( I don't have any argument about investing in a new panel instead of a tanning bed, but we all make choices.)

    Under normal circumstances, no electrician here would intentionally install multiple outlets on a dryer circuit, however if requested by a customer, we have no reason not to, as long as the customer is clearly informed how the system would work and exactly how to use the outlets.

    Labels are big now. The new 2011 Code requires labels on everything for identification and instructions. With proper labeling , and protection and wiring of the circuit, reasonable precautions have been taken.

    There are many "trade practices" that we all follow. We all have our how we do things. This question, while opinion is a great way of communicating ideas, does need the correct answer also.

    I have changed my mind, and will leave this thread open for more discussion.
  • Nov 21, 2011, 06:56 AM
    donf
    Can you please give me the citation in the NEC that says the dryer circuit is to be a dedicated circuit.

    I realize how old the original post was, but it was reopened this month, with incorrect information.

    I put an earlier post that I received from the NEC regarding this exact situation. According to the NEC, there is no prohibition on extending the dryer branch circuit.

    Right now, I suspect that if the manufacturers instructions call for the circuit to be dedicated, then that would be the governing rule.
  • Nov 21, 2011, 07:13 AM
    tkrussell
    Don, who are you asking?

    I am not saying the dryer needs a dedicated circuit. I know it does not , and you did the work to confirm for yourself to get an answer directly from NFPA.
  • Nov 21, 2011, 07:33 AM
    donf
    Good morning, TK.

    It is a generalized question. I answered with the above post before I saw your response.

    Right now the only reason I can think of to require a dedicated circuit is if the Manufacturer's "Installation Electrical Requirements" state the a dedicated circuit must be used.

    I made that statement because we must follow the manufacturer's instructions over the NEC, unless of course it is a code violation, correct?

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